I've never been a big fan, so I'm not here to opine on the movies and TV series themselves. I'm more curious as to how a super fan handles the seemingly exponential amount of Star Wars material that has come out recently or that is coming out. Do any of you think the volume is too much, or do you want to consume all you can get?
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Last: 3 yr ago by Brian Earl Spilner
How does both sound?
Odd thing to ask Star Wars fans when Marvel exists.
And some might argue they have taken the quantity over quality approach for both lately.
Brian Earl Spilner said:
Odd thing to ask Star Wars fans when Marvel exists.
Oh for sure. It seems like once the Marvel idea was conceived, it was pretty consistent in that there was a new movie pretty regularly. Following along you knew it was going to be an undertaking. I suppose the difference to me is that there were the first three movies, and then 16 years till the next batch, and then 10 years to the next one. I remember my buddies that loved star wars growing up loving the first three, and then being super hyped for episode one after such a long lay off.
I know disney bought the property for a mint, so of course they want to push product to recoup that investment. I can't really think of a way to phrase it other than to call them more rare in the past, and maybe that held more personal value? That doesn't sound quite right, though.
It's like previously if you were talking about star wars with someone, the brand was held in something like reverence. There was the iconic first set. And then when the new ones came out, people were basically losing their minds at the idea of more star wars material of any kind. Now, with one coming out what seems like every 6 months, I'm curious as if you get as hyped as you once did for the new material, or if it's more of a "oh, and there's another star wars coming out."
Not sure if that makes sense.
And for the record, i'm not a contrarian who just dislikes them. I like them fine, but I couldn't keep up when they started releasing like crazy, and it's not something i'm a huge fan of so I haven't made the time to go back and catch up.
I love the Marvel movies too, and I spent the pandemic rewatching those in chronological order. Big fan of those movies, but even now it seems like "overexposure" with all the tie in tv shows. I can't keep up and I'm not really keen to anymore.
There were a LOT of Star Wars books in the 80- 90s. And the stories were better as well.
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Since Disney took over, I really don't see it as an overwhelming/"crazy" amount of content at all...
2015 = 2 hr 15 min = Star Wars: The Force Awakens
2016 = 2 hr 15 min = Rogue One: A Star Wars Story
2017 = 2 hr 30 min = Star Wars: The Last Jedi
2018 = 2 hr 15 min = Solo: A Star Wars Story
2019 = 2 hr 20 min = Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker
2019 = 6 hr 00 min = The Mandalorian - Season 1
2020 = 6 hr 00 min = The Mandalorian - Season 2
2022 = 5 hr 15 min = The Book of Boba Fett - Season 1
2022 = 4 hr 30 min = Obi-Wan Kenobi - Season 1
I mean, compared to most seasons of TV, or the MCU, or just about anything else that airs annually, SW amounts to hardly anything per year. It's really not hard to keep up with.
2015 = 2 hr 15 min = Star Wars: The Force Awakens
2016 = 2 hr 15 min = Rogue One: A Star Wars Story
2017 = 2 hr 30 min = Star Wars: The Last Jedi
2018 = 2 hr 15 min = Solo: A Star Wars Story
2019 = 2 hr 20 min = Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker
2019 = 6 hr 00 min = The Mandalorian - Season 1
2020 = 6 hr 00 min = The Mandalorian - Season 2
2022 = 5 hr 15 min = The Book of Boba Fett - Season 1
2022 = 4 hr 30 min = Obi-Wan Kenobi - Season 1
I mean, compared to most seasons of TV, or the MCU, or just about anything else that airs annually, SW amounts to hardly anything per year. It's really not hard to keep up with.
Gotta include the animation man. I know you don't watch but they are "content" to the Super Star Wars Fan.
MW03 said:
I've never been a big fan,
twilly said:
Gotta include the animation man. I know you don't watch but they are "content" to the Super Star Wars Fan.
Fine. Add in the animation per year and you're up to as many hours per year total as a normal, 10 or 13-episode season of cable television, and still not even close to the number of hours per year as a network/broadcast show.
Empire/Rebellion/Skywalkers; I'm ready to be done with that chapter. Give me Old Republic or something far into the future.
What we need are more star wars parodies.
This.
To me the hardest part to keep up with is having conversations with people that go like:
"Did you like the first Star Wars movie?"
"You mean the original?"
"No the first one."
"That's the original with Luke Skywalker."
"No it's not it's the one with the pod racing."
To me the hardest part to keep up with is having conversations with people that go like:
"Did you like the first Star Wars movie?"
"You mean the original?"
"No the first one."
"That's the original with Luke Skywalker."
"No it's not it's the one with the pod racing."
TCTTS said:
Since Disney took over, I really don't see it as an overwhelming/"crazy" amount of content at all...
2015 = 2 hr 15 min = Star Wars: The Force Awakens
2016 = 2 hr 15 min = Rogue One: A Star Wars Story
2017 = 2 hr 30 min = Star Wars: The Last Jedi
2018 = 2 hr 15 min = Solo: A Star Wars Story
2019 = 2 hr 20 min = Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker
2019 = 6 hr 00 min = The Mandalorian - Season 1
2020 = 6 hr 00 min = The Mandalorian - Season 2
2022 = 5 hr 15 min = The Book of Boba Fett - Season 1
2022 = 4 hr 30 min = Obi-Wan Kenobi - Season 1
I mean, compared to most seasons of TV, or the MCU, or just about anything else that airs annually, SW amounts to hardly anything per year. It's really not hard to keep up with.
I see what you're saying, and that's definitely fair. Let me try it this way:
In the 37 years between 1977 and 2014, Lucas produced 6 Star Wars Movies, totaling 13 hr 14 mins
1977 = 2 hr 1 min = A New Hope
1980 = 2 hr 4 min = The Empire Strikes Back
1983 = 2 hr 11 min = Return of the Jedi
1999 = 2 hr 16 min = The Phantom Menace
2002 = 2 hr 22 min = Attack of the Clones
2005 = 2 hr 20 min = Revenge of the Sith
In 7 years since 2015, Disney has produced 5 movies and 4 television seasons, totaling 33 hr 20 mins.
So basically, in the 45 years of star wars, a 49 hr 34 min of material has been produced. That means 67% of all live action star wars material has been produced in last 15% of the time that star wars has existed).
That's what I mean when I say seemingly exponential amount of material. Not necessarily that they are filling up the airwaves with star wars stuff. More that they are releasing more star wars stuff than they ever have. And my curiosity is whether that dilutes a super fan's excitement for the next thing.
Edit: And yes, that doesn't compare to something like Marvel, or an hour-long show like Breaking Bad. There is probably more Westworld to watch than there is Star Wars. Consequently, my point about not being able to keep up was a bad one and has more to do with my interest in the undertaking than anything. In the grand scheme of things, it's not that much. I realize now that my aside about not being able to keep up has more to do with me than the material.
They're just making up for lost time.
As long as they're great stories to tell…..let it ride Jack!
As long as they're great stories to tell…..let it ride Jack!
I hear you. As someone basically said earlier, it's not so much the quantity that dilutes my excitement, personally, it's the quality. Because half of this stuff just hasn't been very good. But if, say, 90% of it had been good, I think my excitement level would have been just as a high as it was back in the day, before Disney/in the early Disney days.
In my experience what hangs people up the most is the Close Wars series and the Rebels series. That's a lot to watch and it's tough to get people to buy in how great it actually is cause it's Star Wars animation and not live action.
To me that's what separates the big fans from casual fans.
Cause if you haven't watched that….and let's be honest….a lot of what has made some of the new material in the last 2 years so awesome was from the foundation those 2 shows laid down for us.
To me that's what separates the big fans from casual fans.
Cause if you haven't watched that….and let's be honest….a lot of what has made some of the new material in the last 2 years so awesome was from the foundation those 2 shows laid down for us.
Admittedly not a super-fan, but what makes me kinda meh on the stuff coming out isn't the quantity or the quality. It is the extremes of the discussion of it. It is either the most horrible thing that ruins everything or it is awesome and to question it proves you're not a fan. A lot of the discussion borders on theological dogma argument in its ferocity. YMMV
It's been a mixed bag of quality that has diluted my excitement for it is the best way I can put it.TCTTS said:
Since Disney took over, I really don't see it as an overwhelming/"crazy" amount of content at all...
2015 = 2 hr 15 min = Star Wars: The Force Awakens
2016 = 2 hr 15 min = Rogue One: A Star Wars Story2017 = 2 hr 30 min = Star Wars: The Last Jedi
2018 = 2 hr 15 min = Solo: A Star Wars Story2019 = 2 hr 20 min = Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker
2019 = 6 hr 00 min = The Mandalorian - Season 1
2020 = 6 hr 00 min = The Mandalorian - Season 22022 = 5 hr 15 min = The Book of Boba Fett - Season 1
2022 = 4 hr 30 min = Obi-Wan Kenobi - Season 1
I mean, compared to most seasons of TV, or the MCU, or just about anything else that airs annually, SW amounts to hardly anything per year. It's really not hard to keep up with.
In the list above I've struck through the shows I didn't really like. The Force Awakens is on the bubble.
Clone Wars and Rebels were great.
I've never personally bought into oversaturation. The problem is, when production companies ramp up the amount of content they generate, they tend to start releasing lower quality shows/movies for some reason.
If they find a way to make it all, at minimum, good, then you can't give me enough stuff from this universe.
If they find a way to make it all, at minimum, good, then you can't give me enough stuff from this universe.
If Disney had been able to replicate their storytelling and quality they had with the MCU, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
AgBQ-00 said:
Admittedly not a super-fan, but what makes me kinda meh on the stuff coming out isn't the quantity or the quality. It is the extremes of the discussion of it. It is either the most horrible thing that ruins everything or it is awesome and to question it proves you're not a fan. A lot of the discussion borders on theological dogma argument in its ferocity. YMMV
This is the most horrible post EVER. Choose a SIDE! The dark side or the light! There is no middle ground. Only the high ground!
TCTTS said:AgBQ-00 said:
Admittedly not a super-fan, but what makes me kinda meh on the stuff coming out isn't the quantity or the quality. It is the extremes of the discussion of it. It is either the most horrible thing that ruins everything or it is awesome and to question it proves you're not a fan. A lot of the discussion borders on theological dogma argument in its ferocity. YMMV
This is most horrible post EVER. Choose a SIDE! The dark side or the light! There is no middle ground. Only the high ground!
I think my level of fandom was directly affected by the quality of the material (or lack thereof). I saw the originals when I was 9-11. Loved those and had them on VHS. That was also when they did the re-release in theatres of the special editions. I especially remember going to see the phantom menace in the theatres and enjoying it.
But for some reason, I have no memory of Attack of the Clones coming out. The first time I saw that, it was renting it from Blockbuster. I was trying to think about why I lost interest, but then it hit me. Something else came out a year before Attack of the Clones that completely stole my imagination at 14, and had a bigger impact on me than any of the Star Wars movies ever did. The Fellowship of the Ring.
I think falling in love with fantasy through the Lord of the Rings and being spoiled with the quality of those movies lessened my love of Star Wars. Though, I do remember going to see Revenge of the Sith and being excited for it, it was nowhere near my excitement for The Return of the King.
Having said all that, I will admit I was teary eyed watching The Rescue and few things get me as pumped as seeing a group of X-wings start to get into attack mode. I was along side even the die hard Star Wars fans with their disappointment in the *******ization of such beloved characters as Luke in the sequels.
But for some reason, I have no memory of Attack of the Clones coming out. The first time I saw that, it was renting it from Blockbuster. I was trying to think about why I lost interest, but then it hit me. Something else came out a year before Attack of the Clones that completely stole my imagination at 14, and had a bigger impact on me than any of the Star Wars movies ever did. The Fellowship of the Ring.
I think falling in love with fantasy through the Lord of the Rings and being spoiled with the quality of those movies lessened my love of Star Wars. Though, I do remember going to see Revenge of the Sith and being excited for it, it was nowhere near my excitement for The Return of the King.
Having said all that, I will admit I was teary eyed watching The Rescue and few things get me as pumped as seeing a group of X-wings start to get into attack mode. I was along side even the die hard Star Wars fans with their disappointment in the *******ization of such beloved characters as Luke in the sequels.
Marvel is easier to keep 100% on than Star Wars because the MCU is (with some one off exceptions) ONLY the movies and streaming series.
Star Wars is movies, series, novels, comics, and video games all within the same canon.
Star Wars is movies, series, novels, comics, and video games all within the same canon.
Star Wars is a weird beast.
You basically have two fandoms that intersect as you see on this thread.
There is the Film and TV show only fans and then the EU super super fans.
The EU has always been too much. I spent a lot of my youth reading the EU material, so lots of free time helped keep up. Plus comics, books, and video games were all easy sells.
Disney rebooting the EU it has exploded and to be honest, I have lost interest in keeping up from a lack of time and it is hard to keep up with what is or isn't canon any more.
To a very limited extent, I almost feel bad for Disney as they had to reboot the EU and they had to know it would create a lot of issues. Disney approach to bring in old EU characters and concepts through fan nods of the old EU, but not bringing in all of the ancillary material surrounding that character makes it hard to follow. Looking at wookiepedia it is funny to see entries for the same character but a canon link and old EU link. Part of the problem for Star Wars now is they are trying to serve two masters. The old fans and create new fans.
The Disney EU feels muddled now and hard for at least me to follow.
I really think they should create new Legends content and new canon content and trust the audience to sort between the two instead of mashing both together and leaving everyone unsatisfied.
You basically have two fandoms that intersect as you see on this thread.
There is the Film and TV show only fans and then the EU super super fans.
The EU has always been too much. I spent a lot of my youth reading the EU material, so lots of free time helped keep up. Plus comics, books, and video games were all easy sells.
Disney rebooting the EU it has exploded and to be honest, I have lost interest in keeping up from a lack of time and it is hard to keep up with what is or isn't canon any more.
To a very limited extent, I almost feel bad for Disney as they had to reboot the EU and they had to know it would create a lot of issues. Disney approach to bring in old EU characters and concepts through fan nods of the old EU, but not bringing in all of the ancillary material surrounding that character makes it hard to follow. Looking at wookiepedia it is funny to see entries for the same character but a canon link and old EU link. Part of the problem for Star Wars now is they are trying to serve two masters. The old fans and create new fans.
The Disney EU feels muddled now and hard for at least me to follow.
I really think they should create new Legends content and new canon content and trust the audience to sort between the two instead of mashing both together and leaving everyone unsatisfied.
Years ago I thought I was a Star Wars "Super Fan". The OT was without question the most iconic and meaningful entertainment media of my childhood. Had the toys when I was a kid. Read a few comics. In later years, drug my wife to the prequels including ROTS when she was pregnant with our first kiddo. Took our kids to Star Wars Weekends at Disney/Hollywood studios, got them in to the OT, Clone Wars, Star Wars Legos, etc.
Then one day I stumbled across Spilner's "Star Wars Discussion" thread and it didn't take long for me to realize that I was not a super fan.
Then one day I stumbled across Spilner's "Star Wars Discussion" thread and it didn't take long for me to realize that I was not a super fan.
Only a Sith deals in absolutes!TCTTS said:AgBQ-00 said:
Admittedly not a super-fan, but what makes me kinda meh on the stuff coming out isn't the quantity or the quality. It is the extremes of the discussion of it. It is either the most horrible thing that ruins everything or it is awesome and to question it proves you're not a fan. A lot of the discussion borders on theological dogma argument in its ferocity. YMMV
This is the most horrible post EVER. Choose a SIDE! The dark side or the light! There is no middle ground. Only the high ground!
This is where I land, as well, except I didn't like TFA either.
me, Spilner, Cinco, and a few others could have a conversation on there that no one else would understand or even want to. That's not bragging, it's the sad truth.Urban Ag said:
Years ago I thought I was a Star Wars "Super Fan". The OT was without question the most iconic and meaningful entertainment media of my childhood. Had the toys when I was a kid. Read a few comics. In later years, drug my wife to the prequels including ROTS when she was pregnant with our first kiddo. Took our kids to Star Wars Weekends at Disney/Hollywood studios, got them in to the OT, Clone Wars, Star Wars Legos, etc.
Then one day I stumbled across Spilner's "Star Wars Discussion" thread and it didn't take long for me to realize that I was not a super fan.
TCTTS said:
Since Disney took over, I really don't see it as an overwhelming/"crazy" amount of content at all...
2015 = 2 hr 15 min = Star Wars: The Force Awakens
2016 = 2 hr 15 min = Rogue One: A Star Wars Story
2017 = 2 hr 30 min = Star Wars: The Last Jedi
2018 = 2 hr 15 min = Solo: A Star Wars Story
2019 = 2 hr 20 min = Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker
2019 = 6 hr 00 min = The Mandalorian - Season 1
2020 = 6 hr 00 min = The Mandalorian - Season 2
2022 = 5 hr 15 min = The Book of Boba Fett - Season 1
2022 = 4 hr 30 min = Obi-Wan Kenobi - Season 1
I mean, compared to most seasons of TV, or the MCU, or just about anything else that airs annually, SW amounts to hardly anything per year. It's really not hard to keep up with.
You are forgetting all of the books, comics and videogames
I will play this in the background as I am doing yard/car/house work or cross country drive after an update comes out (about once a year)
MCU / Marvel Comics were always a thing where you could pick what you wanted and generally get brought up to speed pretty quickly via a quip or exposition. If all you care about is the main Avengers crew, you can see the next Avengers movie or comic and there will be a few new characters but otherwise you're fine. You can take it or leave it but the story will carry on.
Star Wars had a "main" trilogy and then a bunch of peripheral stuff. Then they did another main trilogy, then another. They're out of "main" stuff and so all the content since has been (IMO) peripheral stuff - side stories, prequels to dead characters, cartoons and live action versions of characters you've never heard of if you don't like animated.
IMO Star Wars suffers for it because nothing is going into the future and everything is tied to a story and era that has already been told (Skywalkers).
Star Wars had a "main" trilogy and then a bunch of peripheral stuff. Then they did another main trilogy, then another. They're out of "main" stuff and so all the content since has been (IMO) peripheral stuff - side stories, prequels to dead characters, cartoons and live action versions of characters you've never heard of if you don't like animated.
IMO Star Wars suffers for it because nothing is going into the future and everything is tied to a story and era that has already been told (Skywalkers).
I stopped watching. Have never watched Mandelorian or the new one.
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