oragator said:

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I've been following this too.

Train wreck just isn't a strong enough phrase.

Wilde may never be allowed behind a camera again unless she is funding it.

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good

she seems to be a pretty despicable human being railing against Shia Lebouef when in reality HE was the one who quit. and she has been viciously anti-conservative

TCTTS said:

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Anyone seeing this this weekend?

Think I'm going to wait for streaming, but curious to hear non-critic reactions.

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we might go tomorrow on a date. curiosity got the best of me.


and regarding this thread's derailment....while i think you have SOME very terrible political takes and sometimes stick your head in the sand about Hollywood's antics...

i think you're an invaluable poster and i greatly appreciate your love for movies and willingness to nerd out over things. there's plenty of people on the right or left that i'm just going to gloss over or ignore, but i know you're a subject matter expert and passionate about it, so i always appreciate your input.

I really do appreciate that.

For what it's worth, though, the only political takes I ever express here, 99% of which are in response to someone else posting political nonsense to begin with, are...

- Hollywood isn't quite as liberal as some think. Many movie stars are, sure, but not so much everyone else.

- Hollywood isn't woke for woke sake. It's because they see $$$ to be made.

- Depicting minorities on screen (be it the black community, gay community, etc) doesn't deserve anywhere near the ire that some here bring.

I really can't think of any other political opinions I express on this board, and I don't see any of those as being controversial or "terrible." I think people do A LOT of projecting about who I am and what I believe, based on their interpretations of my arguments above. Otherwise, I'm relatively conservative, think Democrats suck at running the country, can't stand ultra-left/ultra-woke culture, etc.

TCTTS said:

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I really do appreciate that.

For what it's worth, though, the only political takes I ever express here, 99% of which are in response to someone else posting political nonsense to begin with, are...

- Hollywood isn't quite as liberal as some think. Many movie stars are, sure, but not so much everyone else.

- Hollywood isn't woke for woke sake. It's because they see $$$ to be made.

- Depicting minorities on screen (be it the black community, gay community, etc) doesn't deserve anywhere near the ire that some here bring.

I really can't think of any other political opinions I express on this board, and I don't see any of those as being controversial or "terrible." I think people do A LOT of projecting about who I am and what I believe, based on their interpretations of my arguments above. Otherwise, I'm relatively conservative, think Democrats suck at running the country, can't stand ultra-left/ultra-woke culture, etc.

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not to derail further and to keep it to the thread...

i do believe Hollywood is woke for woke's sake sometimes, at the cost of $$$ to be made. i'm open to being wrong, but i think Woman King, Bros, and Don't Worry Darling will all lose money and all of them combined won't top 100mm.

this isn't an indictment on anything or anyone individually. Pugh, Pine, Davis, Eichner, and Appatow are great talents and i appreciate them all. the indictment is on thinking that all of America will overlook a movie about a tribe of slavers that focuses on a small woman group that got pwned by the Europeans, a movie that had previews detailing anal sex repetitively, and a known narcissist FU as a director.

i understand the current overrepresentation because of past underrepresentation ideology. I don't begrudge it. even if i don't agree with it. But i think that hollywood doesn't have a good bearing on the pulse of the nation sometimes and they're going to eventually learn due to box office bombs. I hope this month is that month. Because i want to get back to enjoying Black Panther because it was just a genuinely enjoyable movie, not because it was earth shattering and oscar worthy.


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Despite any times i've come at you, i'd like to offer an olive branch.

My wife agreed to see DWD tomorrow so if nobody else does, i'll report back then.

- The Woman King was tracking at $15M prior to last weekend, but ended up surpassing that at $19M. It's now up to $24M, with a projected domestic box office run of $70-$80M, on a $50M budget. Factor in worldwide box office and its 95% on Rotten Tomatoes, and the studio is already talking sequel.

- With $3.1M in Thursday sales, Don't Worry Darling is now expected to do around $25M domestic this weekend, exceeding its $17M projection. With a reported $30M budget, its domestic opening weekend alone will nearly make back its entire production budget.

- Bros is the biggest question mark of the three, but also has the highest potential ceiling. Right now, though, it's currently tracking at $15M for next weekend. And while its production budget isn't yet available, there's no way it's more than DWD's, so I'm guessing it's somewhere around $20-25M. Considering it's currently sitting at 94% on Rotten Tomatoes, and its much-buzzed-about, first-of-its-kind status (an LGBTQ romantic comedy from a major studio), it's almost assuredly going to surpass its opening weekend tracking, and will likely make back its budget and then some in less than two weeks domestically.

So, each of these three movies will not only make money, their combined total will far exceed your $100M number, and could potentially even double it, if Bros makes a splash and The Woman King's word-of-mouth keeps up.

In other words, the numbers bear out. These aren't corporate Hail Marys meant to score empty woke points for some insane reason. They're winning, calculated bets by their respective studios, studios who simply saw underserved audiences, and thus not-fully-tapped revenue streams, and decided to act.

I don't know how many more times I have to prove my point with data for you guys to believe me.

I tend to agree with you...its just corporations looking for more profits by diversifying. That's what every business does.

And I guess, even if this is solely Hollywood being "woke for woke's" sake, if this leads to Hollywood funding more niche films all around then its not a bad thing. I love me a popcorn blockbuster, don't get me wrong, but I think Hollywood got a little out of control there with the "mega-budget, try to appeal to everyone on the planet so just end up being bland" approach.

TCTTS said:

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I don't know how many more times I have to prove my point with data for you guys to believe me.

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I saw it earlier today, it was better than I was expecting. I think Shia would have been a lot better in Harry's role, but obviously that didn't happen. The movie does a good job of putting you inside Florence's mind, and Florence crushes it. But the stakes were never very high for me. The pacing of the third act didn't feel right and the - climax just happens out of nowhere.

I think it is definitely worth watching overall, not perfect but decent. 6.5/10

Wife and I just got back from seeing this.

I went in with low expectations, and walked out impressed with it. It was a bit slow at first, but it was different and enjoyable.

I also like the Palm Springs vibe though. Big fan of the midcentury decor and style.

Couldn't predict where the story was going, either.

I'd give it a 7/10. We enjoyed it

Wife and I saw this last night. It's decent but definitely felt it was trying to be smarter than it is. The movie left so many things unanswered and there were several things that just didn't seem fleshed out to me. Florence Pugh is great.

Random fact: Chris Pine's grandmother is Anne Gwynne. Who is Anne Gwynne, you ask?

She starred in a little known (outside of Texas A&M) WWII film called We've Never Been Licked.

Robert Pine. Was on CHiPS with Erik Estrada in the '70's.

TCTTS said:

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I really do appreciate that.

For what it's worth, though, the only political takes I ever express here, 99% of which are in response to someone else posting political nonsense to begin with, are...

- Hollywood isn't quite as liberal as some think. Many movie stars are, sure, but not so much everyone else.

- Hollywood isn't woke for woke sake. It's because they see $$$ to be made.

- Depicting minorities on screen (be it the black community, gay community, etc) doesn't deserve anywhere near the ire that some here bring.

I really can't think of any other political opinions I express on this board, and I don't see any of those as being controversial or "terrible." I think people do A LOT of projecting about who I am and what I believe, based on their interpretations of my arguments above. Otherwise, I'm relatively conservative, think Democrats suck at running the country, can't stand ultra-left/ultra-woke culture, etc.

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another ridiculous take

there is MORE money to be made in making good movies without either a leftist or right wing bias

see TOP GUN MAVERICK for proof that I am correct. or Passion of the Christ. or James Bond. or Mission Imposible, or the biggest streaming hit has been Terminal List.

why should LGBTQ be portrayed in 100% of woke movies and tv shows and commercials when they make up less than 5% of the population?!?!

are there Mormons in every single movie and TV show in the USA?!

LMCane said:

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TCTTS said:

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I really do appreciate that.

For what it's worth, though, the only political takes I ever express here, 99% of which are in response to someone else posting political nonsense to begin with, are...

- Hollywood isn't quite as liberal as some think. Many movie stars are, sure, but not so much everyone else.

- Hollywood isn't woke for woke sake. It's because they see $$$ to be made.

- Depicting minorities on screen (be it the black community, gay community, etc) doesn't deserve anywhere near the ire that some here bring.

I really can't think of any other political opinions I express on this board, and I don't see any of those as being controversial or "terrible." I think people do A LOT of projecting about who I am and what I believe, based on their interpretations of my arguments above. Otherwise, I'm relatively conservative, think Democrats suck at running the country, can't stand ultra-left/ultra-woke culture, etc.

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another ridiculous take

there is MORE money to be made in making good movies without either a leftist or right wing bias

see TOP GUN MAVERICK for proof that I am correct. or Passion of the Christ. or James Bond. or Mission Imposible, or the biggest streaming hit has been Terminal List.

Except there's one big flaw in this reasoning... not every movie can have a blockbuster budget like the ones you mention above. Big movies garner big audiences, thus they can be broader and less specific in their appeal. On the opposite end, though, certain smaller movies strive to stand out in whatever ways they can. Hence the "black female Gladiator" movie, the "gay" movie, etc. Regardless, why is it such an affront to you that these movies exist? Why are you so against them? Especially when they're not taking away from anything else being made? More movies/TV shows - and more variety of movies/TV Shows - are being made than at any other time in history. So how does the existence of these "bias" movies affect you in any meaningful way?

why should LGBTQ be portrayed in 100% of woke movies and tv shows and commercials when they make up less than 5% of the population?!?!

I've read this sentence like five times and it still makes zero sense to me. Are you complaining about "woke movies" in general or are you complaining about LGBTQ people being in "woke movies"? As in, if LGBTQ people weren't in "woke movies," you'd be ok with "woke movies"?

are there Mormons in every single movie and TV show in the USA?!

Do you guys ever stop to read your posts before publishing? Do you ever think, "Wow, I sound really, really mad over this inconsequential thing that I can very easily choose to ignore." Why do you allow yourselves to get so enraged over this stuff? Especially when so much of it's either exaggerated or a straw men created in your heads?

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Patiently waiting for Mormon Spider-Man.

Man, i have an idea for some of you. Watch movies and tv that you enjoy. Don't watch things you don't.

Don't worry about what other people do.

Ken Scarborough said:

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Man, i have an idea for some of you. Watch movies and tv that you enjoy. Don't watch things you don't.

Don't worry about what other people do.

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The director of this movie in the past got upset at men for not watching or supporting her movie.