She seemed kind of gleeful to share that she learned other couple cheats on each other. Seeing him that hungover was also probably helping sell his story. But she was definitely sensing the red flags up to that point. Clearly a dude she isn't used to not answering her calls or sleeping in

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Mimetic desire was a good hint. I think Cam and his wife are trying to break them up just for the challenge of it.

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Yeah, definitely feeling like an overall setup/game that both are in on.

I can't decide if I think Daphne is in on it or not. Obviously she is much more clear eyed about her marriage than initially presented (with the reveal that one of her kids is the trainer's), but it seems like the money/investment was still the main reason for the trip, and this is a side conquest for Cameron.

I'm interested to see if there is any more to the Tanya - Rich gay guys story line. I don't think they're pulling a scheme on her, but I could be wrong. Might just be a way to stir up drama for Portia.

Who do y'all think ends up dead? I've been thinking Albie dies tragically for awhile, and still feel like he will get pushed off a cliff trying to defend Lucia's honor.

Don't know why or how, but I have a weird feeling the body is going to be Jack's (the dude hooking up with Portia and the rich gay guy).

Also, it's multiple bodies that were found in episode one, right?

Yes, it is multiple dead bodies in the water. We know that Daphne, Rocco, and Valentina are alive.

Said this to the Misses last night - the theme of the season seems to be "schemes" with the three big ones taking place being Cam/Albie (and significant others) for the business (and now relationship maybe?), Lucia's decision to get in with the Sugar Daddies, and whatever is happening with Tanya and the gays. Mia has become a minor schemer (especially the last two weeks in trying to promote her music career) and whatever Jack is doing with Portia.

I still like last season better than this one, but it feels like all the cards are finally on the table for everything to hit the fan in the final two episodes.

Certainly that makes sense. I added Jack and Portia to my list at the end because I'm trying to figure out what the deal with Portia is as I feel like she has a bigger "featured" role than just Tanya's assistant.

Yeah I feel like both Quinten and Cameron are not as wealthy as they appear, and both are trying to scam Tonya and Ethan. I think we find out that all Quinten's wealth is fake and he's like the Tinder Swindler and just knows how to make it appear that he is rich, but it's all a big scam.

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My guess on Tanya.
FWIW, I thought Greg set this all up. Pretty convenient timing that it happened she met those guys when he left. There is a prenup and he talked about her not having a clue what he was up to before he left. And if you really want to get crazy, he's the guy Quentin was in love with, so Greg is using him.

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Damn I think you may have just nailed it

And Quentin did say he needed money for renovations and/or upkeep of the villa, but couldn't get grant funding because he didn't want to open the villa up to the public ...

That's certainly an angle. Maybe Greg gets a cut of what they are trying to scam out of her.

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oragator said:

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My guess on Tanya.
FWIW, I thought Greg set this all up. Pretty convenient timing that it happened she met those guys when he left. There is a prenup and he talked about her not having a clue what he was up to before he left. And if you really want to get crazy, he's the guy Quentin was in love with, so Greg is using him.

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Damn I think you may have just nailed it

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Pretty popular theory on Reddit too right now, and I can definitely see it coming to fruition.

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I've always thought the rich guys were playing some sort of con on Tonya but I can't figure out the end game. The whole thing is perplexing. Maybe they want her to buy the villa or something? I don't see why they've taken such a liking to her.

And speaking of cons, Lucia is clearly conning Albie right? I think the man who is threatening her is in on it and she plants him at certain places to make sure Albie sees him.

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100% on both of these. The "would you die for beauty?" seemed to indicate there's something nefarious afoot.

I think Lucia ends up dead from either Cameron killing her to get her off his back about the money or Dominic killing her because she scammed Albie. My gut says it's Cameron who kills her.

I also think Ethan might off himself when his marriage gets destroyed, and something tells me Portia might not make it out alive, but I can't figure out how that might happen just yet.

I don't think the deal with Greg is a situation like what they've hinted at. It's probably something like his cancer came back and he doesn't want Tanya to know or something. Him cheating on her or having a secret family somewhere seems too easy.

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actually it could be Greg who comes back, with the cancer, and commits suicide by jumping. although that would not account for two bodies

lucia and her pimp maybe? wasn't lucia talking about 'punishment' two episodes ago- then stated "maybe things aren't so bad" in last night's episode..

oragator said:

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My guess on Tanya.
FWIW, I thought Greg set this all up. Pretty convenient timing that it happened she met those guys when he left. There is a prenup and he talked about her not having a clue what he was up to before he left. And if you really want to get crazy, he's the guy Quentin was in love with, so Greg is using him.

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brilliant analysis

I think you might be spot on

maybe Greg was talking with the ghey Brit on the phone?!?!

is that the same english actor who played the King in "Darkest Hour" with Winston Churchill?

Ryan the Temp said:

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And Quentin did say he needed money for renovations and/or upkeep of the villa, but couldn't get grant funding because he didn't want to open the villa up to the public ...

That's certainly an angle. Maybe Greg gets a cut of what they are trying to scam out of her.

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another hilarious line by Tonya who literally has the only funny lines in the entire series..

"oh no, don't let the public in!"

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From season one until now, this show has gone from "fun and interesting" to legitimately, up-there-with-the-best-of-the-year great. Across the board. Writing, directing, acting, etc, all absolutely top notch. People complain about "movies for adults" not being in theaters anymore, but THIS is where those stories now live, and how they're now told, and I could not happier about it. In fact, I could watch these types of people vacation, and come undone, across seven weeks on HBO, every year for the next ten years. At this point, I don't care how unrealistic it might become that people die at White Lotus resorts with comical frequency.

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the only thing I really enjoy is the locales and the beautiful cinematography

the actual stories are pretty simplistic and gross

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I can't decide if I think Daphne is in on it or not. Obviously she is much more clear eyed about her marriage than initially presented (with the reveal that one of her kids is the trainer's), but it seems like the money/investment was still the main reason for the trip, and this is a side conquest for Cameron.

I'm interested to see if there is any more to the Tanya - Rich gay guys story line. I don't think they're pulling a scheme on her, but I could be wrong. Might just be a way to stir up drama for Portia.

Who do y'all think ends up dead? I've been thinking Albie dies tragically for awhile, and still feel like he will get pushed off a cliff trying to defend Lucia's honor.

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not a chance

Albie kills the "pimp" of Lucia who turns out not to even be a pimp.

book it.

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I definitely think Lucia "invented" this "pimp" (probably just a friend) to try and make Albie worried and that his protective vibe would come out and he would provide her with all the money she needed to make the problems go away. She's making it seem like she doesn't want to charge him now, but with Cameron not paying her and now the introduction of this pimp as a threat, she's doing a great job of playing him. She described him as "innocent" to Mia earlier - she knows she can play him like a fiddle.

Now death wise in this whole situation - there could be several possibilities:

(1) Like you said, Albie kills the pimp trying to protect Lucia
(2) Michael Imperioli kills the pimp or Lucia to protect Albie from them
(3) Albie gets in too deep and somehow gets himself killed

Also, I can totally see Daphne killing Cameron or one of the other two. She mentioned earlier that if something goes wrong, you just do something else to make it better (ie - go **** your trainer). Then if you go back to the opening scene - her lines were something to the effect of - "You're going to Die - They are going to have to drag you out of here". I just think she is totally psycho and is capable of anything. So hot though. Definitely need a HOT CRAZY matrix for her.

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oragator said:

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My guess on Tanya.
FWIW, I thought Greg set this all up. Pretty convenient timing that it happened she met those guys when he left. There is a prenup and he talked about her not having a clue what he was up to before he left. And if you really want to get crazy, he's the guy Quentin was in love with, so Greg is using him.

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brilliant analysis

I think you might be spot on

maybe Greg was talking with the ghey Brit on the phone?!?!

is that the same english actor who played the King in "Darkest Hour" with Winston Churchill?

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Yeah the more I think about this, the more it makes sense. I can definitely see them going in this direction with this plot line.

Question - do yall think the "multiple" bodies are all from one plot line or are the deaths from different plot lines and just coincidental that they all ended up dead the same night and in the ocean. I'm thinking it's from the same plot line.

I feel like Tanya kills the gays that are scamming her. May even be somewhat inadvertent

I think what ever happens will be inadvertent just based on the first season. This isn't some murder mystery show, it is a silly show that will have a silly death. The first season wasn't a murder, it was someone taking a dump in a suitcase and getting stabbed.

Right, which is why Tanya and it being inadvertent is near the top of my theory list. Some dumb luck or similar gets her out of a jackpot with the gays. By inadvertent, it could be anything from blind luck, or it could be some intentional action to get back at them but without appreciation that it could/would kill them (and possibly others)

My 2 cents.
The rich guys don't own the villa. They leased it to carry out the sting.

ItsA&InotA&M said:

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My 2 cents.
The rich guys don't own the villa. They leased it to carry out the sting.

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I agree. Their whole wealth is a front. (Very Dirty Rotten Scoundrels-esque).

Also, the Jack kid is only there to distract Portia so they can focus on scamming Tonya without her interfering.