First 45 minutes are amazing. The visuals are amazing.
Great acting and interesting new characters

But it's easily 45 mins too long. Few other minor script issues. I'd rank it slightly better than John Wick 2.

That whole scene in the apartment, with the eagle's eye view flying through the apartment, was masterful.

It would be the best in the movie if not for the whole Arc de Triumph car fight.

Saw it earlier today, damn that was fun. The best fight sequences of all the JW films, just insane. Bill was great as the marquis. In addition to NY we get to go to the desert again, Japan, Berlin, and Paris. Each location has their own awesome fight sequences. Scott Adkins in a fat suit is so good. Donnie Yen steals the show IMO, he takes the entire movie to the next level.

I thought it was a little long but I don't know what I'd cut out though. Maybe the tracker didn't need to be in the movie, it felt like a bigger actor was supposed to play him but backed out, that feels like the only reason to have the role.

I still like the first one the most but this one is probably in second place.

This movie is amazing. If it is not the top out of the series, it isn't far behind. Personally I rank them 4123.

The casting and the locations are always top notch, and each fight sequence is just more amazing than the last.

I especially loved that my favorite Game of Thrones wildling girl had a part.

The end credit scene was interesting as well It left me with more questions. So many ways to go for 5, 6, and 7. Yes if they keep making scream movies, the least they can do is put John Wick against each of them.

cr0wbar said:

---

cbr said:

---

are these really good?

what would be a good summary?

i've caught a few bits and pieces on tv, and it looked like just pretty dull 'reeves kills lots of helpless badguys' worn out action trope.

am i wrong on that?

---

between this and TLoU - I'm starting to think movies/shows might not be your medium. Have you ready any good books lately?

---

well, i did prefer reading as a kid... now i read 100 hours a week so no more recreational.

i have only seen a few minutes of this, but it didnt hook me. I have nothing against action movies, but i want some kind of plot/cool music/interesting action/ to it. think Predator, great, versus commando, pretty much a joke.

I didnt see that in the few minutes i watched, so i figure i'd ask.

as far as the last of us, i enjoyed that, though i wouldnt really call it a pure action flick. what i didnt like is some of the bull**** agendas to the extent that they took away from the show, but again, overall, i really liked it. i guess my 'dont like it' posts are just more memorable, lol.

Try starting it from the beginning. The entire crux of the series is laid out in the opening few minutes.

They're all currently free on Peacock.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

---

Try starting it from the beginning. The entire crux of the series is laid out in the opening few minutes.

They're all currently free on Peacock.

---

think i will, thanks. i'm getting overwhelmed with borderline lifetime selections by the mrs.

Yell her it'll make your twig grow an inch.

AggieLumberjack said:

---

First hour was amazing and probably the best of all the John Wick movies. It was probably 30 minutes too long for me.

---

Concur.

I saw it yesterday afternoon on the Samsung Onyx at Star Cinema Grill in Katy. I loved this screen for Top Gun: Maverick but JW4 was an even better experience on this screen. The colors were so vivid and the details crisp for all of the shots at night or in dark spaces. I can't imagine watching this movie on any other screen.

I thought the movie was great but a tad long. It was definitely my favorite of the four. I did think the incendiary shotgun shells could've been done better. Donnie Yen in a turtleneck and sunglasses made me think of Leslie Chow. I kept waiting for him to say something funny like "Baba Yega *****es!"

I went this morning. I've really enjoyed these movies, and this one was no different. Great action flick, but I think one that carried more emotional punch than the previous two. It has all of the killing we have come to expect in a John Wick movie, but I think the addition of a couple of interesting characters along with the journey he goes on to win his freedom give this one an emotional weight not seen since the first one.

When John said what he wanted on his headstone, I suspected the ending we were going to get.

Biggest laugh-out-loud scene was the dog pissing in the henchman's face.

The action was consistent, but it didn't feel quite as frenetic as the previous movies. Maybe the runtime made it seem less fast-paced to me.

Rex Racer said:

---

What is it with Donnie Yen playing blind dudes?

The force is with me. I am one with the force.

---

Speaking of Donnie Yen, I saw this movie on prime the other day, and couldn't believe it was real. It looks hilarious.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

---

I knew as soon as they opened with a particular, infamous match cut that we were in for something special. That was FANTASTIC.

Not only the best of the series by far, it surpasses Fallout as the best action movie since The Matrix.

My God, the amount of amazing setpieces in this movie. And when you think they can't top themselves, they do it again.

And the cinematography was so damn good. Seriously, this might be the best looking action movie ever made.

Watch this on the biggest screen you can find. That was a near orgasmic experience.

---

Fallout still takes the cake for me, by a pretty wide margin.

Don't get me wrong... I had a great time tonight, and this is easily the best of the franchise, to the point where it feels like it was made by a different, way better filmmaker than the last three. The lighting/cinematography is incredible, the fight choreography is insane, and the final act is worth the price of admission alone. I thought the staircase sequence, in particular, was genius.

But man, this thing is waaaaay longer than it needs to be, could have been paced so much better, and nothing in the movie comes close to touching the helicopter chase in Fallout , IMO. That, and the M:I movies in general simply have so much more variation and a feel of real-life practicality to the action/stunts. As fun as this movie is - *all* it is - is gun and knife fights. Yes, they find ridiculously fun ways to show us gun and knife fights we haven't seen before, but at the end of the day... it's all still just gun and knife fights. The Osaka sequence, especially, lasted what felt like 15 minutes longer than it should have, with like eight different levels/room/hallways of gun and knife fights that just kept going and going and going. To that end, I wouldn't cut a single sequence out of the movie, but each and every one lasted longer than it had to. There were a couple of them that essentially felt like static and noise by the end, especially after the 500th head shot with spewed, CGI blood.

The M:I movies/Fallout, on the other hand, feel so much more tangible, varied, and rely way less on CGI in general. The perfect point of comparison is the Arc de Triomphe sequence in both movies. Give me Cruise on an *actual* motorcycle, *actually* speeding around the Arc, over the CGI-fest that is the Wick version, as cool as it is. While we're at it, I'll take the pacing, the music, the dialogue, the cast/team aspect, and the stakes of the M:I movies/Fallout as well. I'm sorry, but Fallout, for me, is simply smarter, more clever, and better on just about every level, other than maybe hand-to-hand combat (though I'd still choose the bathroom brawl in Fallout over just about any hand-to-hand combat sequence in this movie).

Really, though, I don't mean to sh*t on this movie at all. It's an all-time action flick, and again, miles better than the last three. But I'll probably never watch it again, while I still find myself, nearly five years later, watching Fallout every few months or so, and marveling at it every single time.

Chad Stahelski shot a slightly different ending for #JohnWick4 that they ended up not using: "we did one test screening, and the audience revolted pretty hard" https://t.co/GJlodSntl0

— The Hollywood Reporter (@THR) March 26, 2023

Marauder Blue 6 said:

---

I saw it yesterday afternoon on the Samsung Onyx at Star Cinema Grill in Katy. I loved this screen for Top Gun: Maverick but JW4 was an even better experience on this screen. The colors were so vivid and the details crisp for all of the shots at night or in dark spaces. I can't imagine watching this movie on any other screen.

I thought the movie was great but a tad long. It was definitely my favorite of the four. I did think the incendiary shotgun shells could've been done better. Donnie Yen in a turtleneck and sunglasses made me think of Leslie Chow. I kept waiting for him to say something funny like "Baba Yega *****es!"

---

Had roughly the same experience. We saw it at the Chinese Theater IMAX, where I see just about every blockbuster nowadays, but I've *never* seen a picture or colors so vivid, rich and crisp on that same screen before, or maybe even anywhere else. I don't know if they got a new projector since the last time I was there (for Quantumania in February), but man it looked incredible, and so much better than Quantumania or any other Marvel movie. I think Dune and The Batman featured better cinematography overall, but I saw both on the same screen as well, and neither looked as vivid, rich or crisp, which is shocking.

The only other actor I've ever heard doing anything like this is Harrison Ford...

I remember when this video dropped and people who’d never worked in any aspect of production went “He shouldn’t be celebrated for this, it’s the bare minimum!” I assure you, it’s not https://t.co/cVaf2e2prk

— Max (@EPM106) March 25, 2023

I'm talking more about the look/the way it was filmed. There's not a frame of the Fallout sequence that doesn't look/feel real, and it's basically one take. Sure, some of the cars are CGI, but he's really speeding through there, sans helmet, wind in his hair, in broad daylight, etc.

Conversely, the Wick version is at night, and even though Keanu is clearly driving the car, it still doesn't quite *feel* real, with a blatantly CGI cars whizzing between actors (yes, I know a number of them were real), a CGI dog at one point, CGI blood, the camera cutting like crazy, etc. The 360 pan around shot was awesome, but everything else felt like it was out of a video game.

There's just something I personally like and respond to more about the tangible-looking action of the M:I movies vs the uber-heightened, never-ending, John-Wick-is-basically-immortal vibe of the Wick movies.

I heard about this. I think the ending scene was probably Cain getting killed, which after setting him up as such a dope anti-hero, would've been disappointing. And then doing it right after JW's death; I would get the anger. Glad they left it open. You have to think they bring him back if they do make more.

Q&A:

I liked the homage to "The Warriors" in the last act.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

---

I heard about this. I think the ending scene was probably Cain getting killed, which after setting him up as such a dope anti-hero, would've been disappointing. And then doing it right after JW's death; I would get the anger. Glad they left it open. You have to think they bring him back if they do make more.

---

I think I'd be down with something (movie or show) that follows the dude with the dog.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

---

That whole scene in the apartment, with the eagle's eye view flying through the apartment, was masterful.

It would be the best in the movie if not for the whole Arc de Triumph car fight.

---

That scene and the arc scene back to back was unreal

Watched it today with the Cinemark DBOX seats and enjoyed the whole movie. That whole apartment birds eye view was INCREDIBLE.