Sorry, when I said animated, I meant animated in the waving his arms too much and running around like an idiot way, not animated like the opening and closing bits.MooreTrucker said:I thought, rather than animated, Groot looked like a dude in a not very cheap Halloween costume.Prosperdick said:
I enjoyed it but teenage Groot seemed a little too bulky and animated, just didn't feel right to me.
Also, Drax is becoming a little too one note for my taste.
To be honest I expected a little more but hey, just saw Glass Onion in the theaters and watched the Andor finale on Wednesday so this was a nice little after dinner mint for my entertainment this week.
*** GotG Christmas Special ***
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Watched it last night with the kids and we all thought it was a turd. I was actually looking forward to it because the trailer looked fun but it was just so average and meh.
The songs were not good. Also it looked bad. It was too digital and crisp and clean. When are they going to learn that props and makeup just end up looking fake and bad when too clear. They need the look of film to really pull off some of the stuff. Otherwise it's too obvious that it's plastic.
The songs were not good. Also it looked bad. It was too digital and crisp and clean. When are they going to learn that props and makeup just end up looking fake and bad when too clear. They need the look of film to really pull off some of the stuff. Otherwise it's too obvious that it's plastic.
The SONGS were not good? An original funny one and an Old 97s classic sung by Kevin Bacon? The SONGS were NOT GOOD?!
Watched it with my wife and one of my daughters on a night we definitely needed a distraction. Really enjoyed it. My daughter loved the elf/candy cane saga of Drax and Mantis. I liked Mantis way more here than in GOTG2. Drax is always terrific. Every time I see him I envision the **** storm on TexAgs when Bautista was first cast in the role.
What size pants does Kevin Bacon wear? Like a 28 waist? Jeez he's in shape, and can sing! I had no idea. Really enjoyed the ending with the recreation of the wonders of Christmas for Star Lord. Quill is my favorite Marvel character far and away so I'll take any incarnation of the Guardians I can get.
What size pants does Kevin Bacon wear? Like a 28 waist? Jeez he's in shape, and can sing! I had no idea. Really enjoyed the ending with the recreation of the wonders of Christmas for Star Lord. Quill is my favorite Marvel character far and away so I'll take any incarnation of the Guardians I can get.
I enjoyed it, and so did my wife. It was a little weird, but that's guardians. I think the only thing I don't really like is using it as the medium to drop Mantis being Starlord's sister. Seems like that's a bigger deal that will pop up in Vol 3, and many viewers will be all "wtf?"
Them talking about actors was hilarious.
Them talking about actors was hilarious.
It was wierd, light and enjoyable.
It's a Christmas special guys, relax and enjoy some hot coco with the ridiculous story line
It's a Christmas special guys, relax and enjoy some hot coco with the ridiculous story line
Brian Earl Spilner said:
"Wow, I guess all actors aren't complete pieces of *****"
It was a family movie right up until then.
That first Christmas song is great.
The movie is silly. I'm ok with that. You nerds that think everything needs to be Endgame level serious are probably a barrel of monkeys at a party.
The movie is silly. I'm ok with that. You nerds that think everything needs to be Endgame level serious are probably a barrel of monkeys at a party.
No one is complaining that it was "silly." It's GotG. It's always "silly." Also, the story was great, and a super fun idea. Some of us simply felt that it wasn't executed all that well, especially compared to Gunn's typical execution, in the very same franchise. It just looked and felt way cheaper, and wasn't nearly up to the same standards, comedy-wise. IMO, most of the jokes fell flat, which typically isn't the case (save for the hilarious, aforementioned line about actors). None of us needed "Endgame level serious," but we were at least expecting GotG-level quality and humor.
Plus it actually advances the story a bit with Cosmo and the part about Peter's sister.
"Is it okay if I'm just a little late getting home? There are some people that need to learn about Christmas."
I took it like PG Guardians. Still funny, just a little more pure or silly as opposed to raunchy or envelope-pushing.
I took it like PG Guardians. Still funny, just a little more pure or silly as opposed to raunchy or envelope-pushing.
maroon barchetta said:
That first Christmas song is great.
The movie is silly. I'm ok with that. You nerds that think everything needs to be Endgame level serious are probably a barrel of monkeys at a party.
Uhhh, way to completely misrepresent the complaints just so you could fire off an insult at other posters.
If you watch the Christmas special of pretty much any TV show (or the Star Wars Holiday Special), they are pretty much all like this. Gunn and Pratt and the rest clearly wanted to do something similar - silly, sappy, sweet. It was something to watch with the family, have a laugh, enjoy the meta version of Kevin Bacon, hear a couple of funny songs, and get a few warm fuzzies at what Christmas means via Yondu, Star-Lord, Drax and Mantis.
It played like a pretty good parody of what most Christmas programming is. Dopey humor, a few "awwww" moments, fish out of water stuff, aliens learning about Christmas and getting all confused, a random celebrity cameo, and so on. this sort of thing has gone on for decades - Star Wars, Buck Rogers, Alf, Third Rock from the Sun, etc.
Not trying to criticize any poster here, just a general sense of Marvel, but as intricate as it was getting to Endgame, it feels like many fans are trying to force every show and film that comes out into a jigsaw puzzle, when in truth, things are just fine as stand-alone films and series and specials that don't necessarily need to all be chapters of a grand story. It's the Connected Universe, that just means there are places where they intersect. Not everything has to be a brick in the wall.
It played like a pretty good parody of what most Christmas programming is. Dopey humor, a few "awwww" moments, fish out of water stuff, aliens learning about Christmas and getting all confused, a random celebrity cameo, and so on. this sort of thing has gone on for decades - Star Wars, Buck Rogers, Alf, Third Rock from the Sun, etc.
Not trying to criticize any poster here, just a general sense of Marvel, but as intricate as it was getting to Endgame, it feels like many fans are trying to force every show and film that comes out into a jigsaw puzzle, when in truth, things are just fine as stand-alone films and series and specials that don't necessarily need to all be chapters of a grand story. It's the Connected Universe, that just means there are places where they intersect. Not everything has to be a brick in the wall.
Random, funny story about Kevin Bacon and Kyra Sedgwick:rhutton125 said:
"Is it okay if I'm just a little late getting home? There are some people that need to learn about Christmas."
I took it like PG Guardians. Still funny, just a little more pure or silly as opposed to raunchy or envelope-pushing.
A coworker and her spouse were in NYC and out to eat in a nice restaurant. My coworker's husband is apparently a HUGE Kyra Sedgwick fan and derivatively Kevin Bacon as well. So of course those two walk into the restaurant and sit at the table next to my coworker and her spouse. All dinner long, my coworker is having to convince her husband to play it cool and not bother them.
So at the end of the meal my coworker's husband goes to the restroom before they leave. He was in a bad accident before this and was on crutches at the time, so it takes a while for him to use the restroom (which were individual restrooms in this restaurant). While he's in there, someone knocks on the door to check if anyone was using it. He was annoyed having to deal with the physical limitations and snapped at the person knocking, yelling something at them. So when he finally finishes up and opens the bathroom door, of course it's Kyra Sedgwick standing there. He's standing there face to face with his fav celebrity having just yelled at her and he freezes. All he can think to say is . . . "I put the seat back down." And then he hobbles off to leave the restaurant.
FL_Ag1998 said:maroon barchetta said:
That first Christmas song is great.
The movie is silly. I'm ok with that. You nerds that think everything needs to be Endgame level serious are probably a barrel of monkeys at a party.
Uhhh, way to completely misrepresent the complaints just so you could fire off an insult at other posters.
Yes. Because that was what I was doing there.
The Porkchop Express said:
If you watch the Christmas special of pretty much any TV show (or the Star Wars Holiday Special), they are pretty much all like this. Gunn and Pratt and the rest clearly wanted to do something similar - silly, sappy, sweet. It was something to watch with the family, have a laugh, enjoy the meta version of Kevin Bacon, hear a couple of funny songs, and get a few warm fuzzies at what Christmas means via Yondu, Star-Lord, Drax and Mantis.
It played like a pretty good parody of what most Christmas programming is. Dopey humor, a few "awwww" moments, fish out of water stuff, aliens learning about Christmas and getting all confused, a random celebrity cameo, and so on. this sort of thing has gone on for decades - Star Wars, Buck Rogers, Alf, Third Rock from the Sun, etc.
Not trying to criticize any poster here, just a general sense of Marvel, but as intricate as it was getting to Endgame, it feels like many fans are trying to force every show and film that comes out into a jigsaw puzzle, when in truth, things are just fine as stand-alone films and series and specials that don't necessarily need to all be chapters of a grand story. It's the Connected Universe, that just means there are places where they intersect. Not everything has to be a brick in the wall.
I don't understand. TCTTS spelled out very clearly and elequently the issue that some of us have with this holiday special. No where did he say the issue was the plot's simplicity. Nor did he say the issue was how the holiday special didn't really add much to the overarching MCU storyline.
The issue is that the writing fell flat. That's it. Well, there's also the issue of Groot looking like a Disney Parks cast member that you would line up to take pics with. But neither of those complaints have anything to do needing a more complex plot interconnected to the MCU.
I wasn't responding to tc, just expressing my opinion.
Why would you expect anything the same level, honestly? Its a disney plus one off, they're not going to waste resources writing it as if it was a feature movie (which is exactly what GOTG level is).TCTTS said:
No one is complaining that it was "silly." Its GotG. It's always "silly." Also, the story was great, and a super fun idea. Some of us simply felt that it wasn't executed all that well, especially compared to Gunn's typical execution, in the very same franchise. It just looked and felt way cheaper, and wasn't nearly up to the same standards, comedy-wise. IMO, most of the jokes fell flat, which typically isn't the case (save for the hilarious, aforementioned line about actors). None of us needed "Endgame level serious," but we were at least expecting GotG-level quality and humor.
I think y'all really have some marvel expectation problems since endgame.
Because it was only 45 minutes long (as opposed to a two-hour feature), and a number of the Disney+ shows *are* theatrical quality? Is it really that wild of an expectation? The look/feel is one thing, though - I also thought the comedy wasn't on par either, and that's "free," aka just the writing. The movies are hilarious to me, and I maybe only chuckled twice at this. Either way, it's weird how much it seems to annoy you guys that a few of us didn't really care for it (even though I've gone out of my way to compliment what I did like).
I don't think anyone here is that incensed about it one way or another, personally.
To be clear, I don't care if you guys like it, hate it ,or whatever. Everyone is entitled to their opinion on it and your enjoyment or lack of enjoyment doesn't impact whether I like it.
But there is a noticeable trend that you guys are disappointed a lot based on something not meeting expectations that are just unreasonable IMO. This is not the first property since endgame this applies to. For half the phase people have been upset they weren't moving onto the next big thing when its been clear for over half the phase that they weren't going to do that.
You say that the writing is free, but it obviously not free. Writers and the time they spend on creating something are resources, and I don't for a second think that this had a third of the resources as a GOTG movie even at the third of a run time. This **** was probably thrown together relatively quickly and haphazardly.
It was no where near as funny as a GOTG movie to me either, but I wasn't expecting that to be the case.
But there is a noticeable trend that you guys are disappointed a lot based on something not meeting expectations that are just unreasonable IMO. This is not the first property since endgame this applies to. For half the phase people have been upset they weren't moving onto the next big thing when its been clear for over half the phase that they weren't going to do that.
You say that the writing is free, but it obviously not free. Writers and the time they spend on creating something are resources, and I don't for a second think that this had a third of the resources as a GOTG movie even at the third of a run time. This **** was probably thrown together relatively quickly and haphazardly.
It was no where near as funny as a GOTG movie to me either, but I wasn't expecting that to be the case.
Ultimately, if they wanted phase four to be more of a "breather" phase, that's fine, I get it. At the end of the day, I just wanted well-told, entertaining stories, and I simply felt that a majority of them weren't. Same as the Christmas special, all I had to compare was what came before, and most of phase four didn't live up to the quality of the previous three. It's as simply as that. That's also not just a TexAgs opinion, that seems to be the consensus just about everywhere you look/go, so I don't know what else to tell you.
rhutton125 said:
I don't think anyone here is that incensed about it one way or another, personally.
I said "annoyed" not "incensed." They're pretty different.
TCTTS said:
Ultimately, if they wanted phase four to be more of a "breather" phase, that's fine, I get it. At the end of the day, I just wanted well-told, entertaining stories, and I simply felt that a majority of them weren't. Same as the Christmas special, all I had to compare was what came before, and most of phase four didn't live up to the quality of the previous three. It's as simply as that. That's also not just a TexAgs opinion, that seems to be the consensus just about everywhere you look/go. I don't know what else to tell you.
But lots of people don't need one thing to live up to another to enjoy it. I like all the star wars movies for different reasons but the original is still my favorite. Just feels like in the age of social media and instant reactions, everyone has to immediately categorize everything as better or worse and let everyone know about it. For every angry Twitter movie reviewer (not you) who has to break down the top 7 problems they had with the GOTG holiday special, there are probably 100 people who watched it, had a few smiles and chuckles and moved on.
From my POV If you're only going to enjoy stuff if it measures up to previous incarnations, you're going to be disappointed almost all the time. But I know lots of people are way more passionate about their entertainment, so to each their own.
I hear you, but I just don't think it's at all unreasonable to be disappointed in something, when the first two installments were so great, and the second was even better than the first, IMO. There's a quality standard there that has been set, and when the exact same team is returning, it seems pretty reasonable to expect something I'm going to at least mildly enjoy.
It's like buying the latest pair Nikes to run in because I loved running the previous two pairs I owned. But when the air pocket blows out in the first week, or the seaming comes undone, I'm going to be disappointed. And that's basically what I felt happened here, so it's just kind of weird when a number of people are like, "LOL, what did you expect? Why wouldn't your shoes fall apart?"
Also, it's t's not like I found this to be funny, but just not quite as funny as the first two. Rather, I straight up didn't find it funny at all, save for the one line about actors. And it wasn't just unfunny, it was honestly kind of grating, IMO, Mantis in particular. Which is all a stark difference from the movies, and thus added to my feelings/surprise.
That, and it's not like I'm going around bashing anyone who liked it. I totally get why and how people got enjoyment out of it. So I don't understand why the same courtesy isn't being extended to those of us who weren't fans?
It's like buying the latest pair Nikes to run in because I loved running the previous two pairs I owned. But when the air pocket blows out in the first week, or the seaming comes undone, I'm going to be disappointed. And that's basically what I felt happened here, so it's just kind of weird when a number of people are like, "LOL, what did you expect? Why wouldn't your shoes fall apart?"
Also, it's t's not like I found this to be funny, but just not quite as funny as the first two. Rather, I straight up didn't find it funny at all, save for the one line about actors. And it wasn't just unfunny, it was honestly kind of grating, IMO, Mantis in particular. Which is all a stark difference from the movies, and thus added to my feelings/surprise.
That, and it's not like I'm going around bashing anyone who liked it. I totally get why and how people got enjoyment out of it. So I don't understand why the same courtesy isn't being extended to those of us who weren't fans?
I mean, they did focus the entire show on the 2 most socially oblivious and awkward characters. There's only so much you can do with that. They're both goofball in a different way. Mantis/nebula or Drax/nebula would have been a better pairing IMO. Nebula is still socially awkward, but she could play the straight (wo)man to Drax or mantis' antics.
Did they take 1/5 of the time and a 1/8 of the budget to make your Nike shoes that fell apart?
And not use their top sweatshop labor to do it?
And not use their top sweatshop labor to do it?
I keep forgetting, expecting mediocrity is an Aggie tradition, so shouldn't be too surprised. Excuses at all costs.
Did you even 2022 football season, bro?
Have to say I would never go into a Holiday Special (of any series) and expect it to match the movies, but that's just me. I went in expecting nothing and had a pretty fun time. I just saw it as "free pizza". It's something you watch that makes you feel good for 45 minutes and then it's on to the next thing.
All said and done, my standards were "I want to laugh" and Disney+ level quality in terms of filmmaking (even "Werewolf by Night" quality would have sufficed, which was the only other special, just a month prior). Neither of those expectations were met for me personally. I'm sorry this is such an unreasonable take for some of you.
TCTTS said:
All said and done, my standards were "I want to laugh" and Disney+ level quality in terms of filmmaking (even "Werewolf by Night" quality would have sufficed, which was the only other special, just a month prior). Neither of those expectations were met for me personally. I'm sorry this is such an unreasonable take for some of you.
Considering you are normally the Leonard Maltin of the board and heap praise on everything and, like Maltin, gush about some movies being an instant family classic, it's surprising to see you saying negative things about this Christmas special.
TCTTS said:
Yeah, this is kind of where I'm at. I love, love, love Guardians 1 & 2, but this felt so off. It looked super cheap, the writing wasn't great, Mantis (who I usually like) was almost unbearable at times, and worst of all, I sort of chuckled only once. While I really liked the ending, and how it all wrapped up, nearly everything before it just didn't work for me.
This. Glad I saw it, I guess.
Will not ever need to watch again.
I've watched it twice.
maroon barchetta said:TCTTS said:
All said and done, my standards were "I want to laugh" and Disney+ level quality in terms of filmmaking (even "Werewolf by Night" quality would have sufficed, which was the only other special, just a month prior). Neither of those expectations were met for me personally. I'm sorry this is such an unreasonable take for some of you.
Considering you are normally the Leonard Maltin of the board and heap praise on everything and, like Maltin, gush about some movies being an instant family classic, it's surprising to see you saying negative things about this Christmas special.
And yet half this board would say I complain about everything, am too harsh most of the time, etc. I can't win.
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