Definitely Not A Cop said:

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Never seen a black alien before. Should be pretty cool.

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May I then recommend Alien (1979)? Those things were black-toned.

Definitely Not A Cop said:

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Never seen a black alien before. Should be pretty cool.

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Well you're really showing your ass on the X-Files thread...

X-Files: The Unnatural

But isn't each episode pretty unique/original?

Sure, they're taking over a known IP, but it's an anthology. It's just a way to entice some viewers, but there's nothing to suggest the actual content of the show won't be fairly original. Much like Black Mirror.

If it's a Star Trek/TNG kind of thing and the "diversity" isn't paint by numbers garbage I may watch.
If it is a remake of the original, no thanks, for about 10 different reasons.

bluefire579 said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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jeffk said:

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The Porkchop Express said:

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Still waiting for the reboot of Family Matters or A Different World that's just all white people.

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Can I interest you in a Step by Step or a Home Improvement or a Full House or…

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You missed the point...

It's not about having a white cast, it's that this whole idea is nothing more than rainbow-washing a classic because the creators are too lazy to come up with new, original content for a diverse cast. It's like saying, "This show was really great, but it was too white. We're going to redo it with a bunch of diversity to make it more acceptable and fix it." That's bull****. If the show was great, then just ****ing leave it alone. Don't try to "reimagine" it and put a woke seal of approval on it. Make your own modern show with your own modern ideas for your modern cast and let them stand on their own instead of trying to ride someone else's coattails.

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You say that like we don't see this exact same bull**** spouted by any original show or movie that has any kind of diversity. Hell, someone felt the need to bump the Last of Us thread a few weeks after the show ended just to complain about it having gay people in it.

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Having an episode dedicated to a love story of two dudes who aren't in the game canon seems like an odd injection into a narrative with tons of material.

What's interesting is that with the current state of Hollywood you seldom see this type of injection be a hetero couple. Whether it's the Last of Us or TWD, it seems like producers are itching to add "unique" relationships into the story. I find that funny because in a cataclysmic narrative, the importance of procreation typically trumps everything. BSG addressed this in an episode with a teen pregnancy "look their's only 90 thousand of us left, we need to start making more babies. Period."

ABATTBQ11 said:

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jeffk said:

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The Porkchop Express said:

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Still waiting for the reboot of Family Matters or A Different World that's just all white people.

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Can I interest you in a Step by Step or a Home Improvement or a Full House or…

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You missed the point...

It's not about having a white cast, it's that this whole idea is nothing more than rainbow-washing a classic because the creators are too lazy to come up with new, original content for a diverse cast. It's like saying, "This show was really great, but it was too white. We're going to redo it with a bunch of diversity to make it more acceptable and fix it." That's bull****. If the show was great, then just ****ing leave it alone. Don't try to "reimagine" it and put a woke seal of approval on it. Make your own modern show with your own modern ideas for your modern cast and let them stand on their own instead of trying to ride someone else's coattails.

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For the 400th time, hardly anyone is taking chances on original material nowadays. Which certainly sucks, but it's the world we live in. The fact of the matter is that, because it's a known entity, with brand recognition, a re-imagined X-Files gets the green light, while an new, original show about basically the same topic, with the same cast, almost assuredly does not. There is no "make your own modern show with your own modern ideas for your modern cast and let them stand on their own instead" option. Every project Hollywood makes is a literal gamble. And every Hollywood exec is trying desperately to keep their job. Factoring in those two things, nearly anyone in their shoes would make the safer bet on something familiar, with a built in audience, as opposed to doing something new and original that has a higher probability of failing. Again, I'm not endorsing not taking chances, but that's the simple and current reality of the business.

Either way, it's never not hilarious how mad stuff like this consistently makes some of you. Again, the old X-Files isn't going anywhere. You'll still be able to watch it, and pretend the new one doesn't exist. No will be forcing you to watch the "woke" version. So why on earth do you care so much? Why does stuff like this get you guys so bent out of shape? Why is it such a horrible thing that the world of the X-Files will now reach a more diverse audience? Why is it such a tragedy that this story is being repurposed for people other than you? You got eleven seasons and two movies out of the original version. Unfortunately, as good as it was at times, it's also one that is now incredibly dated and much more slowly paced that modern audiences expect. So why can't a new generation, and new demographics, get their version of roughly the same world, told with more modern sensibilities?

The Debt said:

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bluefire579 said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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jeffk said:

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The Porkchop Express said:

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Still waiting for the reboot of Family Matters or A Different World that's just all white people.

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Can I interest you in a Step by Step or a Home Improvement or a Full House or…

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You missed the point...

It's not about having a white cast, it's that this whole idea is nothing more than rainbow-washing a classic because the creators are too lazy to come up with new, original content for a diverse cast. It's like saying, "This show was really great, but it was too white. We're going to redo it with a bunch of diversity to make it more acceptable and fix it." That's bull****. If the show was great, then just ****ing leave it alone. Don't try to "reimagine" it and put a woke seal of approval on it. Make your own modern show with your own modern ideas for your modern cast and let them stand on their own instead of trying to ride someone else's coattails.

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You say that like we don't see this exact same bull**** spouted by any original show or movie that has any kind of diversity. Hell, someone felt the need to bump the Last of Us thread a few weeks after the show ended just to complain about it having gay people in it.

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Having an episode dedicated to a love story of two dudes who aren't in the game canon seems like an odd injection into a narrative with tons of material.

What's interesting is that with the current state of Hollywood you seldom see this type of injection be a hetero couple. Whether it's the Last of Us or TWD, it seems like producers are itching to add "unique" relationships into the story. I find that funny because in a cataclysmic narrative, the importance of procreation typically trumps everything. BSG addressed this in an episode with a teen pregnancy "look their's only 90 thousand of us left, we need to start making more babies. Period."

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This might very well be the single dumbest sentence I've ever read on this site.

Proposition Joe said:

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Definitely Not A Cop said:

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Never seen a black alien before. Should be pretty cool.

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Well you're really showing your ass on the X-Files thread...

X-Files: The Unnatural

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I will watch that episode any time of day or night when I see it on.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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But isn't each episode pretty unique/original?

Sure, they're taking over a known IP, but it's an anthology. It's just a way to entice some viewers, but there's nothing to suggest the actual content of the show won't be fairly original. Much like Black Mirror.

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I'm an idiot. Was thinking of Twilight Zone. Disregard.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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But isn't each episode pretty unique/original?

Sure, they're taking over a known IP, but it's an anthology. It's just a way to entice some viewers, but there's nothing to suggest the actual content of the show won't be fairly original. Much like Black Mirror.

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Yes and no. Most episodes are what are known as "monster of the week," but there are a lot of episodes that focus on the overreaching plot of the entire series. Some of the monster of the weeks carried on to other episodes but most stand on their own.

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Either way, it's never not hilarious how mad stuff like this consistently makes some of you. Again, the old STAR WARS isn't going anywhere. You'll still be able to watch it, and pretend the new one doesn't exist. No will be forcing you to watch the "woke" version. So why on earth do you care so much? Why does stuff like this get you guys so bent out of shape? Why is it such a horrible thing that the world of the STAR WARS will now reach a more diverse audience? Why is it such a tragedy that this story is being repurposed for people other than you? You got THREE MOVIES out of the original version. Unfortunately, as good as it was at times, it's also one that is now incredibly dated and much more slowly paced that modern audiences expect. So why can't a new generation, and new demographics, get their version of roughly the same world, told with more modern sensibilities?

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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But isn't each episode pretty unique/original?

Sure, they're taking over a known IP, but it's an anthology. It's just a way to entice some viewers, but there's nothing to suggest the actual content of the show won't be fairly original. Much like Black Mirror.

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I'm an idiot. Was thinking of Twilight Zone. Disregard.

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My dad let me watch the one with the Talking Doll and Telly Savalas when I was 6 years old. I didn't sleep for a month.

The Porkchop Express said:

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TCTTS said:

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Either way, it's never not hilarious how mad stuff like this consistently makes some of you. Again, the old STAR WARS isn't going anywhere. You'll still be able to watch it, and pretend the new one doesn't exist. No will be forcing you to watch the "woke" version. So why on earth do you care so much? Why does stuff like this get you guys so bent out of shape? Why is it such a horrible thing that the world of the STAR WARS will now reach a more diverse audience? Why is it such a tragedy that this story is being repurposed for people other than you? You got THREE MOVIES out of the original version. Unfortunately, as good as it was at times, it's also one that is now incredibly dated and much more slowly paced that modern audiences expect. So why can't a new generation, and new demographics, get their version of roughly the same world, told with more modern sensibilities?

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We're talking about two completely different scenarios.

TCTTS said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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jeffk said:

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The Porkchop Express said:

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Still waiting for the reboot of Family Matters or A Different World that's just all white people.

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Can I interest you in a Step by Step or a Home Improvement or a Full House or…

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You missed the point...

It's not about having a white cast, it's that this whole idea is nothing more than rainbow-washing a classic because the creators are too lazy to come up with new, original content for a diverse cast. It's like saying, "This show was really great, but it was too white. We're going to redo it with a bunch of diversity to make it more acceptable and fix it." That's bull****. If the show was great, then just ****ing leave it alone. Don't try to "reimagine" it and put a woke seal of approval on it. Make your own modern show with your own modern ideas for your modern cast and let them stand on their own instead of trying to ride someone else's coattails.

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For the 400th time, hardly anyone is taking chances on original material nowadays. Which certainly sucks, but it's the world we live in. The fact of the matter is that, because it's a known entity, with brand recognition, a re-imagined X-Files gets the green light, while an new, original show about basically the same topic, with the same cast, almost assuredly does not. There is no "make your own modern show with your own modern ideas for your modern cast and let them stand on their own instead" option. Every project Hollywood makes is a literal gamble. And every Hollywood exec is trying desperately to keep their job. Factoring in those two things, nearly anyone in their shoes would make the safer bet on something familiar, with a built in audience, as opposed to doing something new and original that has a higher probability of failing. Again, I'm not endorsing not taking chances, but that's the simple and current reality of the business.

Either way, it's never not hilarious how mad stuff like this consistently makes some of you. Again, the old X-Files isn't going anywhere. You'll still be able to watch it, and pretend the new one doesn't exist. No will be forcing you to watch the "woke" version. So why on earth do you care so much? Why does stuff like this get you guys so bent out of shape? Why is it such a horrible thing that the world of the X-Files will now reach a more diverse audience? Why is it such a tragedy that this story is being repurposed for people other than you? You got eleven seasons and two movies out of the original version. Unfortunately, as good as it was at times, it's also one that is now incredibly dated and much more slowly paced that modern audiences expect. So why can't a new generation, and new demographics, get their version of roughly the same world, told with more modern sensibilities?

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So we would just be happy with regurgitated crap?

tysker said:

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TCTTS said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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jeffk said:

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The Porkchop Express said:

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Still waiting for the reboot of Family Matters or A Different World that's just all white people.

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Can I interest you in a Step by Step or a Home Improvement or a Full House or…

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You missed the point...

It's not about having a white cast, it's that this whole idea is nothing more than rainbow-washing a classic because the creators are too lazy to come up with new, original content for a diverse cast. It's like saying, "This show was really great, but it was too white. We're going to redo it with a bunch of diversity to make it more acceptable and fix it." That's bull****. If the show was great, then just ****ing leave it alone. Don't try to "reimagine" it and put a woke seal of approval on it. Make your own modern show with your own modern ideas for your modern cast and let them stand on their own instead of trying to ride someone else's coattails.

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For the 400th time, hardly anyone is taking chances on original material nowadays. Which certainly sucks, but it's the world we live in. The fact of the matter is that, because it's a known entity, with brand recognition, a re-imagined X-Files gets the green light, while an new, original show about basically the same topic, with the same cast, almost assuredly does not. There is no "make your own modern show with your own modern ideas for your modern cast and let them stand on their own instead" option. Every project Hollywood makes is a literal gamble. And every Hollywood exec is trying desperately to keep their job. Factoring in those two things, nearly anyone in their shoes would make the safer bet on something familiar, with a built in audience, as opposed to doing something new and original that has a higher probability of failing. Again, I'm not endorsing not taking chances, but that's the simple and current reality of the business.

Either way, it's never not hilarious how mad stuff like this consistently makes some of you. Again, the old X-Files isn't going anywhere. You'll still be able to watch it, and pretend the new one doesn't exist. No will be forcing you to watch the "woke" version. So why on earth do you care so much? Why does stuff like this get you guys so bent out of shape? Why is it such a horrible thing that the world of the X-Files will now reach a more diverse audience? Why is it such a tragedy that this story is being repurposed for people other than you? You got eleven seasons and two movies out of the original version. Unfortunately, as good as it was at times, it's also one that is now incredibly dated and much more slowly paced that modern audiences expect. So why can't a new generation, and new demographics, get their version of roughly the same world, told with more modern sensibilities?

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I guess I'm not seeing how your first paragraph is accurate. Haven't we been in a golden age of television for the last 10+ years?

Maybe the frustration you're seeing is a projection that Hollywood rejects original material. Instead, the industry regurgitates classic material with surface-level changes targeted for mass adoption. These projects rarely seem to recapture the spirit of the original material.

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I should clarify that there are obviously plenty of original shows. In this particular instance, what I mean is that if someone walked into Fox today and pitched an original series about, say, government agents - one black and one latino - investigating the paranormal, there's no chance that an exec doesn't say, "Great, but we're going to slap the X-Files name on it" as to means to hedge their bet. Coogler gets that, and that's why he's packaging it as such.

Does it suck that that's the reality? Absolutely. I'm simply trying to explain the why of it all.

That said, I don't always consider it a bad thing, especially, again, if it's a means to reach a broader, more diverse audience. A black 15-year-old kid almost assuredly isn't going to watch the original iteration. But they'll probably check out this new version, and it might even open them up to new ideas and a brand of sci-fi they otherwise never would have been exposed to, which I only see as a positive.

Exactly. There's ZERO chance they name these characters Mulder and Scully, or repeat the exact same dynamic. It might even be more than two agents they focus on, who knows. Either way, whether it's a continuation of the same universe as the original, just with new/different characters, or more of a hard reboot, they're not going to tread over the exact same story, or sh*t on what came before. As a fan of paranormal/sci-fi investigations in general, I find the prospect exciting, whatever they end up doing. At this juncture, so early in the game, I just can't possibly imagine letting some worst-case, hyper-woke *idea* of the show affect me to the point of b*tching about it.

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Sure because the sci-fi community has been absolutely screaming for a "reboot" of the longest running and one of the most beloved sci-fi shows in television history. The characters of Mulder and Scully obviously weren't good enough and need to be remade.

Give me a new show set in the same universe with diverse cast, throwbacks and cameos by first cast, playing off those story lines, then I'm probably **** yeah I'm in!

But to "reboot" the original just to make it more diverse and "erase" the original show then I'm like **** you!

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Longest running? Dr. Who says hold my beer.

Dr Who is for nerds

Simpsons says hold my Duff.

Rocagnante said:

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Dr Who is for nerds

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Lol, this thread is for nerds.

How far along are they? You think Chris Carter leaked this to rile people up? Didn't seem like he necessarily gave a huge endorsement in the article I read.
You say that's it's not untouchable but there's a big chunk of fans who think it is, or at least will have knee jerk reactions like I did.
Obviously very subjective but I'd put as sci-fi untouchables:
XFiles
Star Wars original trilogy
The Matrix (first one only)
Alien/Aliens
Terminator/Terminator 2
Blade Runner
Star Trek (original tv series. Yes I realize the Chris Pine movies but even then they worked in Leonard Nimoy so I'll allow it)

I doubt Coogler is very far along. If he's only just now talking to Carter, for what sounds like the first time, it has to be super early in the process.

As for The X-Files untouchable factor, I might have agreed if they had stopped when Duchovny originally wanted to call it a day. The initial Mulder/Scully run, through and after the first movie, which I love, is obviously iconic. But IMO, they really sullied the brand with the non-Mulder seasons, and then those two "legacy" seasons a few years ago. It all felt like a blatant, creatively bankrupt cash grab, to the point where I couldn't even make it through the first of the two new seasons, they were so bad.

So, seeing as they already tried milking the franchise for everything it was worth, to diminished returns, I have no problem with a fresh voice coming in now and really shaking things up for a modern audience.

I'm curious how they will handle the relationship of the X-files within the context of the modern FBI. The original department was a joke within the FBI and place for weirdos and eccentrics. (kind of like the viewers?) Often the bureaucracy and internal politics Mulder and Scully were just as interesting as chasing aliens and working with cryptozoologists.

The concepts and boundaries of 'Trust' and 'Belief' were so important in the original I'm not sure they can capture the same affection+suspicion of institutions like the FBI that we had back in the early 90s without becoming overtly political or without some sort of tribalism setting in.

Great!, another show forcing representation as one of the main factors... yet another show I will never watch!

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How far along are they? You think Chris Carter leaked this to rile people up? Didn't seem like he necessarily gave a huge endorsement in the article I read.
You say that's it's not untouchable but there's a big chunk of fans who think it is, or at least will have knee jerk reactions like I did.
Obviously very subjective but I'd put as sci-fi untouchables:
XFiles
Star Wars original trilogy
The Matrix (first one only)
Alien/Aliens
Terminator/Terminator 2
Blade Runner
Star Trek (original tv series. Yes I realize the Chris Pine movies but even then they worked in Leonard Nimoy so I'll allow it)

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Those two seasons a few years ago did give us Mulder on mushrooms:

I didn't say it was all inclusive. I'm sure there are others omitted.

I didn't watch that show when it aired, but I still remember binging it (not realizing it was only one season) getting to the end and being like WTF where is 2?