Just shameless


https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-65334707

So if I am reading the article correct the victims husband is still serving as an executive producer for the film. It also stated that her "family" is in a civil suit with Baldwin and the film. So is that the family minus the husband or is he simultaneously producing a film with Baldwin that Baldwin is starting in and suing Baldwin at the same time?

The fact that they are finishing the film is not that crazy but there is definitely some craziness there.

NoahAg said:

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On accident, right? Admittedly, I haven't studied what happened. Was there some reason he should have known? Or was he just an actor trusting that those in charge knew what they were doing?

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Says his Defense Attorney. Which I feel is a pretty decent argument in court.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/charges-dropped-alec-baldwin-fatal-set-rust-shooting/story?id=98734243

Charges are dropped against Baldwin.

The Porkchop Express said:

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Dude, they still released the Twilight Zone movie after a helicopter accident killed 2 kids and ****ing decapitated Vic Morrow. Those people don't care about lives lost when there is money to be made.

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Yeah, but guys also got convicted over that.

ABATTBQ11 said:

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The Porkchop Express said:

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Dude, they still released the Twilight Zone movie after a helicopter accident killed 2 kids and ****ing decapitated Vic Morrow. Those people don't care about lives lost when there is money to be made.

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Yeah, but guys also got convicted over that.

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I don't think anyone was convicted. John Landis certainly wasn't.

AgPediRPh said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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The Porkchop Express said:

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Dude, they still released the Twilight Zone movie after a helicopter accident killed 2 kids and ****ing decapitated Vic Morrow. Those people don't care about lives lost when there is money to be made.

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Yeah, but guys also got convicted over that.

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I don't think anyone was convicted. John Landis certainly wasn't.

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In 1982, Morrow was cast in a feature role in Twilight Zone: The Movie, in a segment directed by John Landis. Morrow was playing the role of Bill Connor, a racist who is taken back in time and placed in various situations where he would be a persecuted victim: as a Jewish man in Vichy France, a black man about to be lynched by the Ku Klux Klan, and a Vietnamese man about to be killed by U.S. soldiers.
In the early morning hours of July 23, 1982, Morrow and two child actors, seven-year-old Myca Dinh Le and six-year-old Renee Shin-Yi Chen, were filming on location in California, in an area that was known as Indian Dunes, near Santa Clarita. They were performing in a scene for the Vietnam sequence, in which their characters attempt to escape out of a deserted Vietnamese village from a pursuing U.S. Army helicopter.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vic_Morrow#cite_note-tvackl-2][2][/url] The helicopter was hovering at approximately 24 feet (7.3 m) above them when the heat from special effect pyrotechnic explosions reportedly delaminated the rotor blades[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vic_Morrow#cite_note-16][16][/url] and caused the helicopter to plummet and crash on top of them, killing all three instantly. Morrow and Le were decapitated and mutilated by the helicopter rotor blades, while Chen was crushed by a helicopter skid.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vic_Morrow#cite_note-Outrageous_Conduct-17][17][/url]
Landis and four other defendants, including the helicopter pilot Dorsey Wingo, were ultimately acquitted of involuntary manslaughter after a nearly nine-month trial. The parents of Le and Chen sued and settled out of court for an undisclosed amount. Both of Morrow's daughters, notably Jennifer Jason Leigh, also sued and settled for an undisclosed amount.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vic_Morrow#cite_note-Outrageous_Conduct-17][17][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vic_Morrow#cite_note-18][18][/url]

Acquitted. I remember when that happened. It was rumored that Landis was coked up and didn't have the best judgement at the time.

Tobias Funke said:

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They must think this is a REALLY good movie

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It's to die for

Brittmoore Car Club said:

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Tobias Funke said:

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They must think this is a REALLY good movie

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Hope it bombs...in spectacular fashion.

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Doesn't matter. People will still go to see it based on everything that happened. Write or wrong this film now markets itself and will live in infamy.

AgPediRPh said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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The Porkchop Express said:

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Dude, they still released the Twilight Zone movie after a helicopter accident killed 2 kids and ****ing decapitated Vic Morrow. Those people don't care about lives lost when there is money to be made.

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Yeah, but guys also got convicted over that.

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I don't think anyone was convicted. John Landis certainly wasn't.

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You are right. I was thinking of Midnight Rider, which wasn't finished. A couple of people were charged and took plea deals.

Also, there's evidence that the modifications to the gun might have allowed it to fire without pulling the trigger, as Baldwin has said.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/21/entertainment/rust-gun-alec-baldwin-charges/index.html

An unnamed source says that, but the FBI basically broke the gun trying to make that happen and couldn't. We don't know what these "new facts" are, but there's no definitive evidence that is actually the case.

ABATTBQ11 said:

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AgPediRPh said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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The Porkchop Express said:

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Dude, they still released the Twilight Zone movie after a helicopter accident killed 2 kids and ****ing decapitated Vic Morrow. Those people don't care about lives lost when there is money to be made.

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Yeah, but guys also got convicted over that.

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I don't think anyone was convicted. John Landis certainly wasn't.

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You are right. I was thinking of Midnight Rider, which wasn't finished. A couple of people were charged and took plea deals.

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However, Randall Miller was not kicked out of the Directors Guild and is still making movies. Once people found out it was a huge deal at the DGA national meeting in 2020. People were super pissed off at the board. I got hit up to sign a DGA member petition to have him removed because he violated his parole conditions.

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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NoahAg said:

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On accident, right? Admittedly, I haven't studied what happened. Was there some reason he should have known? Or was he just an actor trusting that those in charge knew what they were doing?

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Baldwin basically skipped gun safety 101 and gave no ****s about it on set. His arrogance and willful ignorance were direct contributors.

Look at Keanu in The Matrix and John Wick. He spent weeks training several hours a day on gun handling and safety for each one. Baldwin couldn't be bothered to attend a couple hours of safety meetings, and when he did attend one he was on his phone

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As far as I'm concerned, this is no different than an amusement park ride operator.
If the park and whoever is in charge of inspections say the ride is good to go, they are going to push the button.
They shouldn't be held responsible if the roller coaster goes off the track.

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That's a very bad analogy.

The ride operator is told to press a button. Baldwin had no reason to pull the trigger. This was like the ride operator just tapping the button for fun while the ride is being loaded and launching someone without being buckled in because he skipped his training (How hard could it be, right?) and didn't make a final check that ride was good to go. If he'd gone to the training and taken the job seriously, he wouldn't have killed someone.

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I honestly don't know. Are actors allowed to unload a gun to check the ammo to make sure it's "dummy" ammo? I could easily see that being a strict no no, as you wouldn't want people unloading and re-loading a gun that's just been prepared by the on-set expert.

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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Yellerjacket said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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NoahAg said:

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On accident, right? Admittedly, I haven't studied what happened. Was there some reason he should have known? Or was he just an actor trusting that those in charge knew what they were doing?

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Baldwin basically skipped gun safety 101 and gave no ****s about it on set. His arrogance and willful ignorance were direct contributors.

Look at Keanu in The Matrix and John Wick. He spent weeks training several hours a day on gun handling and safety for each one. Baldwin couldn't be bothered to attend a couple hours of safety meetings, and when he did attend one he was on his phone

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As far as I'm concerned, this is no different than an amusement park ride operator.
If the park and whoever is in charge of inspections say the ride is good to go, they are going to push the button.
They shouldn't be held responsible if the roller coaster goes off the track.

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That's a very bad analogy.

The ride operator is told to press a button. Baldwin had no reason to pull the trigger. This was like the ride operator just tapping the button for fun while the ride is being loaded and launching someone without being buckled in because he skipped his training (How hard could it be, right?) and didn't make a final check that ride was good to go. If he'd gone to the training and taken the job seriously, he wouldn't have killed someone.

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I honestly don't know. Are actors allowed to unload a gun to check the ammo to make sure it's "dummy" ammo? I could easily see that being a strict no no, as you wouldn't want people unloading and re-loading a gun that's just been prepared by the on-set expert.

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Keanu cleared his own jams in the John Wick movies. Yes, he's allowed to check a revolver, but he has to put forth the time and effort to be educated on the gun he's putting in his hand instead of treating it like a toy.

It also goes beyond that though. Trigger and barrel discipline go a LONG way. Being aware of where you're pointing a weapon and keeping your finger away from the trigger until you're prepared to fire are both things that could have prevented this.

Gutierrez Reed was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter. Baldwin is on deck.

There's plenty of evidence of negligence on his part. He helped to attend or pay attention in safety briefings, and there's apparently clips of him being very cavalier with weapons, getting with them and pointing them at people. Also a lot of testimony and video of him rushing things on set as a producer.

I think his defense will hinge on him convincing a jury that the gun just went off by itself in his hand and getting a lot of sympathy, but there's no reason he needed a gun at that point and absolutely no reason to have had it loaded with any kind of ammunition and pointed at someone. Even if his, "I didn't pull the trigger," defense is true or believed, he was wildly negligent in a lot of the circumstances necessary to get to that point in the first place. He's got an uphill battle.