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Pr firm caught manipulating rotten tomatoes scores
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Last: 2 yr ago by St Hedwig Aggie
And yet the rotten tomatoes percentile is frequently cited by the resident experts.
And the tweets from the random Hollywood "insiders."Not Funny said:
And yet the rotten tomatoes percentile is frequently cited by the resident experts.
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Seems fairly in line with public opinion when I see scores and read reactions to various films
As with all critical opinions, I ignore anything Rotten Tomatoes and see a film to form my own opinion. Sometimes I might agree, but more often than not I don't.
Fan scores, sure. Critics?jokershady said:
Seems fairly in line with public opinion when I see scores and read reactions to various films
I've just assumed RT scores were getting worked by the industry for years now. Comments on message boards like this will have more impact on my decision to watch something than RT. I'm surprised to see how influential it supposedly still is.
next thing you guys are going to tell me is that I can't trust Amazon reviews
I have tried to get people to tone down on the fake overly positive tweets, basically call me a troll. haha.I Am A Critic said:And the tweets from the random Hollywood "insiders."Not Funny said:
And yet the rotten tomatoes percentile is frequently cited by the resident experts.
imdb seems to be overrating movies the past several years, too...
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1289401/
There's NO WAY the annoying chick version of Ghostbusters is a 6.8. Should be a 3 or 4...tops.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1289401/
There's NO WAY the annoying chick version of Ghostbusters is a 6.8. Should be a 3 or 4...tops.
I remember as a nerdy kid who was really into movies, how I loved watching Siskel and Ebert's show on WGN Saturday afternoons. I got to see footage of movies that were just about to come out (this was way before the internet and ubiquitous online movie trailer releases). But even at that age, I actually valued their opinions because they seemed genuine.
Nowadays, there's approximately 1,569,345 "movie critics" giving their opinions. In reality 99% of them are average Joe Schmoe's sitting in their mom's basement trying to hack out a living as a professional couch potato getting "published" on one of the 200,000,000 click-bait websites dedicated to the Entertainment industry.
The bottom line is they can all be ignored.
Nowadays, there's approximately 1,569,345 "movie critics" giving their opinions. In reality 99% of them are average Joe Schmoe's sitting in their mom's basement trying to hack out a living as a professional couch potato getting "published" on one of the 200,000,000 click-bait websites dedicated to the Entertainment industry.
The bottom line is they can all be ignored.
And yeah, these days I put more stock into the general opinion on this board than anywhere else.
Cinco Ranch Aggie said:
As with all critical opinions, I ignore anything Rotten Tomatoes and see a film to form my own opinion. Sometimes I might agree, but more often than not I don't.
No way this is true. Give me your top 50 movies of the rotten tomatoes era and I bet 75% or more have great RT scores.
Not Funny said:
And yet the rotten tomatoes percentile is frequently cited by the resident experts.
We've always known RT scores weren't an exact science, nor have a I ever quoted them as gospel. They're simply an easy-to-use metric, one, as jokershady said, has still correlated relatively well with public opinion, all things considered. That said, I'll definitely be using them less after this bombshell.
Personally I've been putting more value in the audience score than the critics score for a few years now.
Bruce Almighty said:Cinco Ranch Aggie said:
As with all critical opinions, I ignore anything Rotten Tomatoes and see a film to form my own opinion. Sometimes I might agree, but more often than not I don't.
No way this is true. Give me your top 50 movies of the rotten tomatoes era and I bet 75% or more have great RT scores.
It's more so the opposite that's the problem, imo. Captain Marvel had a RT score in the 90s. Quantumania was fresh. Etc.
Brian Earl Spilner said:Bruce Almighty said:Cinco Ranch Aggie said:
As with all critical opinions, I ignore anything Rotten Tomatoes and see a film to form my own opinion. Sometimes I might agree, but more often than not I don't.
No way this is true. Give me your top 50 movies of the rotten tomatoes era and I bet 75% or more have great RT scores.
It's more so the opposite that's the problem, imo. Captain Marvel had a RT score in the 90s. Quantumania was fresh. Etc.
Scores of 79% and 45%.
CM was definitely in the 90s the year it came out. Guess it's (rightfully) fallen since then.
Brian Earl Spilner said:
CM was definitely in the 90s the year it came out. Guess it's (rightfully) fallen since then.
No way, it was always in the 70s. Maybe you're thinking of Wonder Woman 2.
Brian Earl Spilner said:
Personally I've been putting more value in the audience score than the critics score for a few years now.
Yeah, that's a what I meant in my first comment. Those seem more consistent with general opinion and box office.
Trailers probably still get my attention more than anything, but message board discussions are still great for things that didn't get all the hype and marketing, or something I'm on the fence about.
Nope. I specifically remember cause it confused me so much.
Well, nevermind then.
https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/article/captain-marvel-is-certified-fresh/#:~:text=Captain%20Marvel%20(2019)%2079%25
I guess I'm thinking of another movie. Maybe Black Panther.
https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/article/captain-marvel-is-certified-fresh/#:~:text=Captain%20Marvel%20(2019)%2079%25
I guess I'm thinking of another movie. Maybe Black Panther.
The movie theater near me has giant size pizza by the slice. But it's not that good…
TCTTS said:Not Funny said:
And yet the rotten tomatoes percentile is frequently cited by the resident experts.
We've always known RT scores weren't an exact science, nor have a I ever quoted them as gospel. They're simply an easy-to-use metric, one, as jokershady said, has still correlated relatively well with public opinion, all things considered. That said, I'll definitely be using them less after this bombshell.
Looks like one of the comments on that article states that it was indeed at 91% at one point, before settling in at the current 79%.Brian Earl Spilner said:
Well, nevermind then.
https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/article/captain-marvel-is-certified-fresh/#:~:text=Captain%20Marvel%20(2019)%2079%25
I guess I'm thinking of another movie. Maybe Black Panther.
Ok, I'm glad I'm not crazy then.
GreasenUSA said:Looks like one of the comments on that article states that it was indeed at 91% at one point, before settling in at the current 79%.Brian Earl Spilner said:
Well, nevermind then.
https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/article/captain-marvel-is-certified-fresh/#:~:text=Captain%20Marvel%20(2019)%2079%25
I guess I'm thinking of another movie. Maybe Black Panther.
I went back to the Captain Marvel thread. The first post I saw with a RT score was 88% when the initial reviews hit, so it may have been above 90 early. It was down to 83% 4 days before release and 81% the day before.
WW84 had an 80+ rotten tomatoes score the day before it came out. It almost instantly dropped in the 60s range after release.
Edit: definitely some funny business going on, but it dropped in score closer to release date
Edit: definitely some funny business going on, but it dropped in score closer to release date
My basic rules for rotten tomatoes scores:
If both critics and audience rate it high, it's likely to be very good
If audiences rate high, but critics low, it's probably a fun movie you just have to turn your brain off for
If critics are high, but audiences are low, it's probably some pretentious Oscar bait movie, or maybe there's an important message in the movie, but it most likely sucks
Both low, total garbage
If both critics and audience rate it high, it's likely to be very good
If audiences rate high, but critics low, it's probably a fun movie you just have to turn your brain off for
If critics are high, but audiences are low, it's probably some pretentious Oscar bait movie, or maybe there's an important message in the movie, but it most likely sucks
Both low, total garbage
Just use letterboxd, follow Filipe Furtado, and then ignore the popular/twitter style reviews. You'll find great people who are into any genre/style you wish within a month.
Brian Earl Spilner said:
Personally I've been putting more value in the audience score than the critics score for a few years now.
Unless the film is in the slightest way controversial.
My statement is a guess, since I don't look at RT often and largely ignore other sources of critical opinions on movies. But I stand by my statement when I do look at RT scores.Bruce Almighty said:Cinco Ranch Aggie said:
As with all critical opinions, I ignore anything Rotten Tomatoes and see a film to form my own opinion. Sometimes I might agree, but more often than not I don't.
No way this is true. Give me your top 50 movies of the rotten tomatoes era and I bet 75% or more have great RT scores.
Reminds me of the guy who manipulated Yelp into making his fake, non-existent restaurant the highest rated in London
I recently heard a podcast interview with some critic who was talking about Rotten Tomatoes and why the audience and critic scores are often very different. His point was basically that critics are forced to watch all movies, even if they have no interest in them. So, if a critic hates the super hero genre, they likely aren't going to enjoy a super hero movie. On the other hand, the audience has self selected themselves to essentially only be people who have an interest in the movie, so they are going in which a much different view. If you don't like super hero movies, you're not going to buy a ticket for one. So really, the rotten tomatoes audience score is the score for the target audience. If you're not in that target audience, it doesn't really matter if the audience score is very high, you're unlikely to enjoy the movie.
FL_Ag1998 said:
I remember as a nerdy kid who was really into movies, how I loved watching Siskel and Ebert's show on WGN Saturday afternoons. I got to see footage of movies that were just about to come out (this was way before the internet and ubiquitous online movie trailer releases). But even at that age, I actually valued their opinions because they seemed genuine.
Siskel and Ebert were the only critics I ever really put much stock in. They weren't perfect, but they were way better than 90% of the other critics out there.
That's why all of my movies are sitting at 9%
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