Saw his statement yesterday to get out ahead of it. The BBC article sounds like there's some pretty damning evidence.

It's not that difficult to not commit rape/sexual assault

crane said:

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It's not that difficult to not commit rape/sexual assault

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You'd think, but people seem hellbent on proving that wrong

If he did this, it's on brand.

Dude had Katy Perry walking around naked in their house in her prime.

If this is true he's really fallen far.

Ah man, and he seemed like such a good guy, too /s

The allegations were made this week and the incidents range from being 10 years ago (the most recent) and 17 years ago (the furthest away).

How does one prove such a case or defend such a case that is so old?

It doesn't sound like there is a "case", but a news article.

Gap said:

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The allegations were made this week and the incidents range from being 10 years ago (the most recent) and 17 years ago (the furthest away).

How does one prove such a case or defend such a case that is so old?

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Ask Danny Masterson.

I very recently sat on a jury selection (not picked) for a sex with child under 14 case.

When the defense got up to talk his hypotheticals to weed out jurors, he focused heavily on the idea that can you prove cases with evidence, then moved on to 25,30 years ago… then moved on to having a lone witness with no video from 30 years ago.

Texas has no limitations for this. There are a number of reasons people don't come forward.

nm

oh dear....

maroon barchetta said:

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Dude had Katy Perry walking around naked in their house in her prime.

If this is true he's really fallen far.

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she's proven to be pretty damned crazy. remember the old adage, "no matter how hot a girl is somewhere some guy has had enough of her sheet."

I remember when we talked about movies on this board...

"What I've learnt - to my cost - on several occasions in my life, is that people will put up with all manner of bad behaviour so long as you're giving them what they want. They'll laugh and get into it and enjoy the anecdotes and the craziness and the mayhem as long as you're doing your job well, but the minute you're not, you're ****ed. They'll wipe their hands of you without a second glance."

Russell Brand 15 years ago

fig96 said:

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I remember when we talked about movies on this board...

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Scroll thru the UAP thread. Serious business, discussed by serious brains.

https://www.theonion.com/nation-could-have-sworn-russell-brand-was-already-convi-1850849838

Andrew Dufresne said:

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I was wondering the same thing. I'm a newb when it comes to understanding the law. Hypothetically let's say Brand did commit one of the acts he's accused of, does something like statute of limitations come into play?

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Statute of limitations always applies, but it depends on the length of the statute of limitations for the crime in question. In California, I believe they removed the statute of limitations on rape.

As for proving it, one of the alleged victims went to a rape crisis center almost immediately and has some texts allegedly between her and Brand that seem to support her story. It will be he said, she said to a jury, but there is at least a fair amount of documentation that backs up the claim. It's not like the Kavanaugh thing where Blasey Ford couldn't give anything beyond, "I don't know where or when, but he raped me 30 something years ago at a party no one else remembers."

Cliff.Booth said:

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Ah man, and he seemed like such a good guy, too /s

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I think he has changed dramatically after getting sober, in terms of character and behavior. If he really broke the law with his sexual escapades from 10-15 years ago, he should face the music. That being said, I can't help but get shady vibes when women come out of the woodwork decades later. Did he engage in freaky consensual sex, or did he actually rape and sexually harass girls against their will? We will see I guess.

Dimebag Darrell said:

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Cliff.Booth said:

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Ah man, and he seemed like such a good guy, too /s

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I think he has changed dramatically after getting sober, in terms of character and behavior. If he really broke the law with his sexual escapades from 10-15 years ago, he should face the music. That being said, I can't help but get shady vibes when women come out of the woodwork decades later. Did he engage in freaky consensual sex, or did he actually rape and sexually harass girls against their will? We will see I guess.

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I think we need to let this play out before you say he's changed dramatically. And you couldn't help sprinkling in a little victim blaming.

It's not victim blaming if they are not victims.

At first blush, it appears there is some real evidence here. Just because the public doesn't hear about something for a period of time, doesn't automatically make accusations suspicious.

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One woman alleges that Brand raped her against a wall in his Los Angeles home. She was treated at a rape crisis centre on the same day. The Times says it has seen medical records to support this

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This one is pretty damning. It raises questions when things surface many years later, but this is pretty solid evidence that while she may not have come forward right away, she considered it rape when it happened. Lots of victims choose not to come forward at the time.

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A second woman alleges that Brand assaulted her when he was in his early 30s and she was 16 and still at school. She alleges he referred to her as "the child" during an emotionally abusive and controlling relationship

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This one it doesn't really matter if it was consensual or not. If there's any evidence to support they were having sex when he was in his 30s and she was 16 then he's in trouble. And if this one is true, the others look more true.

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A third woman claims that Brand sexually assaulted her while she worked with him in Los Angeles, and that he threatened to take legal action if she told anyone else about her allegation


The fourth woman alleged being sexually assaulted by Brand and him being physically and emotionally abusive towards her

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Who knows what is backing these up, but if there's no evidence it's a tough sell. No evidence doesn't mean it didn't happen, but that's not how the justice system works for good reason. Again, if the first two can be proven it makes these allegations look more credible.


Russel Brand always seemed like a dirt ball. That's not against the law, of course. I think I'd be more surprised if these turned out to be false allegations.

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At first blush, it appears there is some real evidence here. Just because the public doesn't hear about something for a period of time, doesn't automatically make accusations suspicious.

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Sure it does. Especially when the person in question is rich and more likely to pay to make it go away.

But why all of a sudden? Who has Brand pissed off?

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But why all of a sudden? Who has Brand pissed off?

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I don't know, but if you read stories about women that are victims of these crimes, it doesn't take long for you to realize why they don't always pursue these things.