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Struggle and Strifer said:

Saw it last night. Really enjoyed the portrayals and thought all of the actors did really well. Never knew about Kerry and the Olympics.


Didn't Kerry throw the discus in the Olympics? That's were he got his "discus" move for the ring
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Yes. The boycott of the Olympics ruined his shot. I did not recall that from my youth.
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Just got out of the theater. As a life long wrestling fan I knew I'd love it but I think non-wrestling fans will enjoy it as well. Really well done with great acting and cinematography.

What an all around tragic story. Strangely it's not something I think I'd want to see a second time for some reason but I definitely should have remembered the kleenex.

Highly reccomend.

My only complaint was the casting of Ric Flair. My God that guy was horrible
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Mark von Erich works out at my gym. He%92s in his late 60s and still wrestles, bodybuilds, and holds power lifting records for his age group. He%92s jacked.
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Enjoyed it with my 2 older teenage sons. I think it would have been better with more time as like a 6 episode HBO series. Didn't really land for me. Really could have used more Jeremy Allen White character development. Zac Efron was really good. Lily James was solid and could have used more time. I'm glad I read that chris was completely omitted otherwise I would have bothered by it while watching and looking for him

My 2 sons knew nothing about the story going in and they are both devastated so it really worked for them. I guess I'm Fritz and they are David and Kevin
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Just saw it as well and agree that it was good and really shows what a tragic story that family has lived. I also agree with the poster who said that not enough was made of the fact tthat the Von Erichs were huge in Texas for a stretch of several years. The show at Texas Stadium where Kerry beat Flair for the title had close to 50,000 people in attendance. The movie defintiely brought back some memories from when I was 12 watchiing the Freebirds battle the Von Erichs.
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Some true stories don't have happy endings, some do (Titanic versus Apollo 13)…doesn't mean it's a bad movie. This is another reason I look at audience scores versus "approved critics".
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A few more thoughts…

(I stepped out of the theatre for three minutes…so maybe I missed)

No Chris Adams? Kamala? Ice Man King Parsons? I recall seeing Skandor Akbar but where was Gary Hart?

The guy who played Bill Mercer's role was totally made up. Bill was a mainstay in World Class (as was Marc Lowrance) and it would've been cool to see those two guys portrayed. Lowrance sported quite the brutal chili bowl haircut in his day and I would've love to see that again.

Also, when they ran the World Class TV intro it looked like some *******ized version of it. Different clips and theme music were used. Does ESPN own all of that now? There must've been some financial reason that they didn't use the real thing.

Also, chilling to see Gino Hernandez tag team partnered with Bruiser Brody. Hernandez OD'd and Brody was brutally stabbed to death in the late 80's. We need a Bruiser Brody movie…his killer was identified and still walks free. Disgusting.

Oh…an article on why Chris Von Erich wasn't in the film:
[url] https://www.vulture.com/article/the-iron-claw-director-sean-durkin-on-chris-von-erich.html[/url]
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Much respect to Zach Efron for this role. Very well done.

I am curious if he is keeping the roid jaw now.
Scotty Flamingo
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As a brother myself Kevin's line at the end absolutely broke me.
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MiamiHopper said:

Much respect to Zach Efron for this role. Very well done.

I am curious if he is keeping the roid jaw now.


He's had that jaw for a while now. He claims it's because he basically had to have his face rebuilt after a bad accident a decade or so ago.

I've always wondered if that's an excuse. He definitely was on gear starting with at least Baywatch. I know certain anabolics will change your head size, and I wonder how much THAT was what changed his face.

Knowing his drug history, coupled with the roids, I'm kinda surprised he's still alive.
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Take this with a grain of salt, but the story I've heard is that he got his ass beat in a drug deal gone bad in downtown LA. To the point where someone f/cked up his jaw, so much so that he had to have reconstructive surgery.
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TCTTS said:

Take this with a grain of salt, but the story I've heard is that he got his ass beat in a drug deal gone bad in downtown LA. To the point where someone f/cked up his jaw, so much so that he had to have reconstructive surgery.
Could this be the next "Marilyn Manson got his ribs removed" legend?
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As someone in their early 30s, i've only heard of the Von Erichs and never knew their tragic backstory. That movie was incredibly sad. I would say you need to be in a good mental state to watch it
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rsf0626 said:

As someone in their early 30s, i've only heard of the Von Erichs and never knew their tragic backstory. That movie was incredibly sad. I would say you need to be in a good mental state to watch it
I 100% echo this sentiment. I was having a great day when I saw it and left the theater kinda shook and that was with even knowing the source material well (which is why I said earlier in the thread it's not a movie I'd really want to see again even though I loved it because it's so sad).

I was even talking to a buddy that day afterwards who was having a terrible day and I half jokingly said "Well don't go see The Iron Claw today in that case").
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Just saw it. Thought it was good. I'm 49 and from Dallas, so I was a HUGE wresting/Von Erich fan as a boy in the early and mid 80s. My dad would take me to matches; saw them at Reunion, the Sportatorium, plus some shows at high school gyms. Have autographs from David, Kevin, and Kerry in a box of my old stuff that my parents still have. I think knowing the story so well already made it a bit less impactful for me than it would have been seeing it without knowing as much, but they really did it justice (except for writing out Chris, which I totally understand why they did that).

Funny to see Buddy Roberts wearing boxing headgear in this one. He did that after losing a "loser loses his hair" match vs Iceman King Parsons that was at the Reunion event I went to.
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I thought they did fine with the "cameos" of other characters. Hard to be thorough there without turning it into a 3 hour movie. The only issue I had was Ric Flair's casting. That seemed like me or my friends trying to imitate Ric Flair vs finding an actor that could really nail it. He did at least get the strut right, but that rant could have used some work. Wooooo!
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DannyDuberstein said:

I thought they did fine with the "cameos" of other characters. Hard to be thorough there without turning it into a 3 hour movie. The only issue I had was Ric Flair's casting. That seemed like me or my friends trying to imitate Ric Flair vs finding an actor that could really nail it. He did at least get the strut right, but that rant could have used some work. Wooooo!


This. The Ric Flair casting is my biggest complaint with this movie.
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Boy, this was a tough watch. Talked my wife into going a few nights ago...didn't tell her ANYTHING about it so she knew nothing about the history or premise.

She leaned over about 40 minutes into it and said "I love a redemption story"....I didn't have the heart to tell her it was more of a tragedy.

Whoever mentioned above that knowing the story, it didn't hurt me near as bad as it hurt her. She was almost bawling -- and that never happens with her. I held it together pretty well until Kerry got his foot back and met his bros. And then the line Kevin had at the end about not being a brother anymore. Wow, that killed me.

Favorite part of the movie was when all the brothers snuck out and partied together. It was beautiful to see that unity in them...knowing bad stuff was coming later, it was kind of a different story arc than I'm used to.

God bless him and his family.
Sethtevious
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I saw it last night/this morning, and thought it was awful. I want my money back.

As someone who grew up in the '80s and remembers the Von Erichs clearly, making Kevin (Efron) physically bigger than Kerry (White) was just distracting. Holt McCallany is great as Fritz, but I'm halfway convinced Sean Durkin thinks he's a serial killer. Aaron Dean Eisenberg was so ****ing bad as Ric Flair, it was insulting. I can put on a blonde wig and do a better Ric Flair unprompted.

This is a minor quibble, but Fritz was a villain during his career, and used the iron claw as a move to punish his opponents and draw heat. His sons were the ones who converted it to a finishing move.

There are maybe three good scenes in the whole movie, and one of them is a ripoff of Kevin's Hall of Fame induction speech.

Just a really really poor production all around. I think a lot of the positive reviews are from people who weren't around to see the original product.

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Sethtevious said:

I saw it last night/this morning, and thought it was awful. I want my money back.

As someone who grew up in the '80s and remembers the Von Erichs clearly, making Kevin (Efron) physically bigger than Kerry (White) was just distracting. Holt McCallany is great as Fritz, but I'm halfway convinced Sean Durkin thinks he's a serial killer. Aaron Dean Eisenberg was so ****ing bad as Ric Flair, it was insulting. I can put on a blonde wig and do a better Ric Flair unprompted.

This is a minor quibble, but Fritz was a villain during his career, and used the iron claw as a move to punish his opponents and draw heat. His sons were the ones who converted it to a finishing move.

There are maybe three good scenes in the whole movie, and one of them is a ripoff of Kevin's Hall of Fame induction speech.

Just a really really poor production all around. I think a lot of the positive reviews are from people who weren't around to see the original product.




You're certainly entitled to your opinion, and its valid criticism on one level. But it seems like you wanted more of a documentary, a simple retelling of the Von Erichs. Is that an accurate interpretation of your complaint?

But this movie was a story about the bonds of literal brotherhood using the VonErichs as the canvas. On that level my son and I loved it.
dreyOO
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Going back to the Ric Flair casting, it was terrible. I saw online that Will Ferrell would have done it better and I totally agree.
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I got a chance to see this over the weekend and I thought it was great. I knew that it was going to be a gut punch of a movie, but I thought they did a great job regardless. I really hope Efron gets the recognition he deserves, he really impressed me with this one. I think there's a chance that his physical transformation overshadows what he did acting wise, but I hope that isn't the case. I think there were two casting choices that if they got wrong the movie wouldn't have worked, Kevin and Fritz, but they nailed both of them IMO.

Perhaps an unpopular opinion, but regardless of how incredible we know Jeremy Allen White to be as an actor, he wasn't a good fit for Kerry. I don't care about his physical size in comparison to Efron or any of the other actors. I just don't think he fit. He seemed very out of place to me in this film and it was almost distracting when he was on the screen.

I'll echo other sentiments and acknowledge that the Ric Flair casting was just plain awful. Will Ferrell as Ashley Schaeffer and Walton Goggins as Uncle Baby Billy both seem to be closer to the persona of Ric Flair than the guy that was cast.


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Loved the movie, and Efron deserves an Oscar nom.

I agree about Jeremy Allen White, though. I'm a big fan, but did not like him as Kerry.
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Scotty Flamingo said:

As a brother myself Kevin's line at the end absolutely broke me.


Man that was tough part but powerful
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Funny to see Buddy Roberts wearing boxing headgear in this one. He did that after losing a "loser loses his hair" match vs Iceman King Parsons that was at the Reunion event I went to.
I watched that on TV when it happened! Roberts kept the headgear & would hide stuff in there to gouge people with later on.

God I loved the Von Erichs. All the neighborhood kids would wrestle on the trampoline (no net or sissy pad to cover the springs either!!) & everyone wanted to be Kerry or Kevin.
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Saw it tonight. Credits roll and my wife looked at me and said well THAT was depressing. We both liked it. She's a few years older and had a crush on Kerry about the time my friends and I were iron clawing each other.

I'm convinced the dude playing Ric Flair has never actually seen Ric Flair. I turned to my wife and said how do you F up Ric Flair's WOOOO!
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My daughter said, "You didn't warn me that was going to be the most depressing movie ever. Then again, I also didn't know Zac Efron was going to be in it, so that was a nice surprise" lol
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We just saw it and had no idea what a sad history the Von Erick Family suffered through. Just when you thought their suffering couldn't get worse, it got a lot worse. We found the movie interesting and well done. The actor that played their father was tremendous, as was Zac Efron. And I agree 100% with the other posters that the casting of Rick Flair was awful.
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And to think the movie left out another brother that killed himself. Movie had 5 brothers and 4 died. In real life 6 brothers and 5 died.
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Ok, laugh all you want but I've had three celebrities that people have said are my doppelgnger:

Brad Davis from he Mavs ( Mainly when I had a mustache and longer hair)

Kevin Sorbo

Kerry Von Erich.

None of them particularly good looking so there might be some truth in this.
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NM see the article above.
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https://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/1462326-the-iron-claw-director-reveals-why-chris-von-erich-isnt-in-the-movie?amp

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Speaking to The Los Angeles Times, Durkin revealed that Chris Von Erich the youngest Von Erich who died by suicide at the age of 21 in 1993 was originally in the film right up until production began. However, Durkin felt that the film was already too sad and that the inclusion of Chris would be "one more tragedy that the film couldn't really withstand."

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Teslag said:

https://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/1462326-the-iron-claw-director-reveals-why-chris-von-erich-isnt-in-the-movie?amp

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Speaking to The Los Angeles Times, Durkin revealed that Chris Von Erich the youngest Von Erich who died by suicide at the age of 21 in 1993 was originally in the film right up until production began. However, Durkin felt that the film was already too sad and that the inclusion of Chris would be "one more tragedy that the film couldn't really withstand."


They were speed-running the deaths at the end as it was, adding a fifth almost takes it to the point of overkill/dropping disbelief.
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You'd also have to go into Chris' backstory if you include him, which would bog it down even more. He wasn't like the other brothers. They would have had to turn it into a miniseries at that point
 
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