Both the original 1980s movie and the two current movies certainly miss a lot of the subtleties and nuance that is described in the books. I would again highly encourage you to read them if you have not already…

One thing I really like about the current DV movies is that they do not depict a simple world of black-and-white good versus evil, something that was very important to Herbert. It's much more complex than that and so far I think DV has done a good job of creating that tension. Will be super interesting to see what he does in the 3rd film.

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Both the original 1980s movie and the two current movies certainly miss a lot of the subtleties and nuance that is described in the books. I would again highly encourage you to read them if you have not already…

One thing I really like about the current DV movies is that they do not depict a simple world of black-and-white good versus evil, something that was very important to Herbert. It's much more complex than that and so far I think DV has done a good job of creating that tension. Will be super interesting to see what he does in the 3rd film.

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I dunno man... there doesn't seem to be a single thing redeeming about the Harkonnen dudes.

They helped create Lady Jessica and by proxy, Paul.

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They helped create Lady Jessica and by proxy, Paul.

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Nurture vs. Nature

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I don't get why everyone on Geidi prime looks like a hard boiled egg and somehow Jessica is from there

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Only half!

There is no friendship with Jamis in the book. He did cry, and he was upset, as he had never killed anyone before, unlike Feyd, who trained with and killed prisoners to develop his skills.
Jamis didn't come back to help Paul, as far as I can recall.

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But also he can see the future for real

Look it's complicated

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Yes and no. He was very surprised by a big event at the end of Dune Messiah. As you say, it is complicated...

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Decay said:

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But also he can see the future for real

Look it's complicated

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Yes and no. He was very surprised by a big event at the end of Dune Messiah. As you say, it is complicated...

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Is there logic behind it? Or is it random?

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ord89 said:

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Decay said:

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But also he can see the future for real

Look it's complicated

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Yes and no. He was very surprised by a big event at the end of Dune Messiah. As you say, it is complicated...

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Is there logic behind it? Or is it random?

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Dramatic purposes really

Hell yea, hope that it happens sooner rather than later!

So this news seems to be really be gaining traction, and numerous insiders feel confident that this is, indeed, Dune Messiah. Either Villeneuve had a change of heart, or Warner Bros offered him the moon, or both, but it really is looking like we might actually be getting this movie in 2026, as opposed to 2028 or 2029, as was previous expected.

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So this news seems to be really be gaining traction, and numerous insiders feel confident that this is, indeed, Dune Messiah. Either Villeneuve had a change of heart, or Warner Bros offered him the moon, or both, but it really is looking like we might actually be getting this movie in 2026, as opposed to 2028 or 2029, as was previous expected.

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That's awesome

Maybe this means we can get another change of heart with an IMAX aspect directors cut.

Now we're talking.

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Chalamet better start smoking heavily and roid up...

He's supposed to be a bit older in Messiah...

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Only 27.

Denis Villeneuve's DUNE: MESSIAH to start production in August 2025.

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— Reel Updates (@worldofreel) June 29, 2024

Glad they are going with Dune Messiah rather than Dune Part 3.

No one knows for sure yet, as nothing has been officially announced. I've been seeing it called both in various reports over the last or so.

Yeah, I totally missed the Fan Art on the picture.

Just finished rewatching 1 so I could then watch 2. Both movies to me have great visuals, cinematography, scores, and acting. In many ways to me it is an artistic masterpiece.

Where it fails for me is the overall flow. There are lots of slow moving parts like the arrival on Arrakis with the planning of the departure, the travel, landing, settling in, etc. And then they turn around have them all wiped out in 5 min with no reason as to why (we find out at the end).

I also didn't understand how Paul eyes turned blue by just being out in the dessert for a short time. I thought it would only be after he drank the worm piss.

Another part that felt rushed was the worm riding. They show the Fremen riding one, tell him he can't do it, and then shortly after he has been trained and ready for his test to ride a sand worm.

There was just so much that was rushed with no explanation. His mom getting all the tattoos on her face with the former old lady didn't have any. Why did the old lady say what have we done when she realized Paul's mom was pregnant. It didn't seem to change anything.

At the end the Great Houses arrived above the planet. The emperor is defeated and his treason was exposed. This was the big secret they were trying to keep. Once it is out all the houses just say we don't care and instantly Paul calls for war?

Maybe I need to watch it all again and these things are explained but for the first time through there just seemed to be all these big jumps to move the story along with no explanation as to how we got there.