In Perfect Strangers, Balki and Larry were cousins. Charles mentions he and Sazz have the same rare blood type- maybe they're cousins.

This is an absolutely bonkers theory - but the more I think about it the more I like it. It actually fits in with so many themes of the show, and also plays into some of the crazy theories from last season that maybe were true or were clues that they laid out way back then. It also gives answers to some questions that have never been cleared up (and were dismissed as production errors rather than clues).

I stumbled upon this in one place as I read a lot of stuff on the show and then found 3 or 4 more other places where people had the same theory basically with other clues that fit. This is kind of bringing all of those together then. Again not my theory but I am now on board wih it and going to rewatch Ep 1-4 watching for more clues.

Feel free to ignore and not read and of course it could be completely wrong. But if it is true it is wildly entertaining and would make it clear they had a longer game plan than any of us realized. I think we know now that they were laying groundwork even in S1 for S2 (first mention of poppy) and in S2 for S3 (Oliver having a phone conversation with Donna). We have some stuff lingering from S3 that might actually be that type of clue to the longer arc and S4s mystery.

I have also read a lot of Moriarty type theories over the last 2-3 seasons with some mastermind behind this all - centering on Howard or Teddy or Jan usually as the Moriarty. I've never bought into those and I don't think that is a part of this either.

By the way despite saying last week I was suspicious of Bev Melon working with or for Cinda Canning because of her name being similar to Liz Lemon I am now dismissing her as a suspect. She has that unique name like we have had for the killers so far, but I mean that cliffhanger reveal just cannot be the killer. Not in ep 4. Something else is going on there. I think maybe she was investigating it all herself and thinks they are there to kill her and maybe thinks they killed Sazz. Who knows. But I don't think it is her.

I also completely dismiss anyone playing themselves as the murderer - just like it was never going to be Sting, Amy Schumer, or Matthew Broderick - it is not Eva Longoria, Eugene Levy or Zach Galifinakis.

Ok so let's just throw this theory out here and then dissect it - last warning!!!!!!

Glen Stubbins the body double for Ben Glenroy is actually Ben Glenroy and the guy who died las season in the elevator shaft was Glen Stubbins. Ben has a long running beef with Charles that goes all the way back to Brazzos (when Charles supposedly had Ben, a child actor, fired from the show). And Ben hired the killer to take out Charles but Sazz was shot instead . Ben has been in hiding more or less living as Glen for his own safety and is still trying to kill Charles. He may have hidden Sazz body or he may be holding her somewhere if she is actually sill alive.

Ok thats a lot.

How would this have happened. Well when Ben was poisoned by Donna he perhaps sent his body double in his place back to the after party that night. So what we saw was Glen acting like Ben. Recall that Ben/Glen took a mysterious call at that party and vacated quickly. That could have been Ben getting Glen out of there so he wasn't discovered to not be Ben. And then of course Glen was pushed down the elevator shaft by Cliff and everything else played out as we saw it just that everyone thought that was Ben. Ben let it play out and he started living as Glen. It may not be revenge for Glen exactly as he must know Chrles did not kill Ben (err Glen) but he still has a long running fued with Charles since Brazzos.

Hints from production:
- every season the killer narrates one episode this season we have had Charles, Sazz, and Zach Galafanakis (we know it wasn't any of them) and now Glen(Ben) in episode 4.
- every season the name of the killer is unique and alludes to something relating to the murder method, place, person. Jan Bellows (played the bassoon). Poppy White was really Becky Butler (as in the Butler did it). And then Donna (Belladonna is poisonous) and Cliff (pushed him down an elevator shaft/cliff). Now we have Glen Stubbins. Glen means valley or glen which may relate to Sazz's Paradise field to develop her dream trampoline park. And Stubbins means stumpy or short…perhaps he is shorter than Ben. But it's a memorable kind of unique and possibly made up actor name (if his real name is something Glenroy). And well you have a ""Glen" in Glenroy.

What I consider major clues:
- two different phones that Ben was seen with during rehearsals and at the after party and when he was found dead

- plus the way he answered at the party saying "Ben's got to take this".

- also the call Dickie made on opening night saying "they pronounced him" might have been what summoned Glen to the hospital to "tap in" for Ben. We still don't know who he called

- tattoos on Bens fingers that were different before the party and after he died in S3

- the confusion about Ben's date of birth I think he gave it differently when asked about it so maybe that was Glen who got it wrong

- Ben was poisoned with Rat poison and now Glen (who is Ben) is having rat hallucinations. quite an interesting connection if that's really Ben and not Glen. Some psychosomatic thing affecting him or he's acting.

- the text saying "not your ****ing friend" would make a lot of sense coming from Ben

- consider that upon Glen's first appearance this season he says the line ""and you can't come back from the dead can you? " about Ben, Ha ha… great line if you aren't actually dead.

- Glen hanging around (literally) while Charles is getting a treatment and questioning the masseuse. a kind of fly on the wall (foreshadowed in ep 1) similar to foreshadowing of poppy in S2 with poppies and the where is becky butler poster

- some seriously over the top acting from Ben as Glen (imo) to throw them off and dismiss him as a lunatic even seeing rats and physically extreme with his stunts to convince them he is a crazy stunt guy

- that terrible Irish accent really it's because he isn't Irish but trying to sound Irish badly

- he actually failed to use an Irish accent in a few cases specifically saying "****ers" and not "feckers" once for example

- of course he also hits Charles with a real bottle, something Ben maybe planted because again he wants to kill and/or hurt Charles

- the Sazz "sensitive subject" to discuss with Charles may have been her discovering that it was not Ben tha was killed but Glen. Maybe she found out through hanging out at the stunt bar or through some source (like the masseuse who maybe knows the difference between Glen and Ben).

- the "Tap In" Sazz wrote in blood is a refence to it being the stunt double (Glen) although it's actually Ben. If she wrote Glen sure that might be eaiser but they would not know who it was or that it was really Ben, and if she wrote Ben they would think it was someone else because Ben is dead

Tangents:
I believe Ben may also be Dudenoff having kept a place there for years possibly to keep an eye on Charles and the westies know it is Ben but believe him to be dead and so they make up that he is in Portugal. I believe Dudenoff is for the "DUDE IN F" which is the apartment unit on that floor.

The pig ties in to Ben last season including Loretta calling him a pig and him writing "****ing Pig" on the mirror since it is his pig if he is Dudenoff.

Other oddities that may relate:

Sazz has been subletting Charles apartment in LA, maybe she was looking for an apartment (for retirement) and stumbled upon that one in the Arconia and realized it belonged to Ben. She would want to be in NY near her trampoline park and close to Charles perhaps. Maybe the sensitive subject was even moving in there.

I bet Ben/Glen left the note to fix the window and assuming he has been using the apartment in the west side perhaps he is the one that left the notes from S1 and S2 and S3 that we still do not have answers for. He could have freely go around as Glen and if caught say he was Glen of course.

Glen(Ben) may have been able to move Sazz body easily especially with the help of some loyal fellow stunt men. Or if she is alive they might hide her for him and be able to have access to the Slovakian replacement joints they used to make it look like she was dead.

We of course have a lot of doubles here Sazz/Charles/Bakula and now the actors for Charles/Oliver/Mabel and we have the Brothers sisters. Is that possibly an allusion to Ben and Glen being brothers? We had a lot of suspicion last season about twins and triplets. But considering Ben/Glen maybe were twins it would make sense as child actors to have twins they do that a lot because of laws on their filing time. Maybe Charles got pissed at Glen (not Ben) and it wasn't Ben's fault he got fired, but Ben is still pissed about it. And so maybe as they got to adulthood one of the twins decided to get out of acting and do stuntwork and came up with the moniker Glen Stubbins and the accent to throw people off. Thus they could finally live as two people publicly with an uncanny resemblance.

The flipside of this argument is why would Dickie not mention a twin/brother when Ben was killed but perhaps just still maintaining the cover story. Revealing it does not help anything. And a switch of twins would not be detected in an autopsy most likely and there is no (known) issue with IDing the deceased so they might not even look at anything more than cause of death. Perhaps they find out there was no rat poison in Bens body because it was really Glen that died and Ben still has it in his could be whats making him nutso.

Along those lines I believe the blood type thing is going to be a clue Sazz and Charles share the same blood type as we have been told numerous times. Glen and Ben as identical twins would share the same blood type but maybe they don't because Glen as a stunt man had a transfusion some time due to some accident or injury. Speculation. But a lot of people think Sazz and Charles are related. I think it is just what gets Charles to think about Bens blood type or something. Or the poison that should be in his blood. We shall see.

Also what about Paul Rudd playing Ben's body double? I mean they could have simply had a similar looking guy play that role but I think they used Paul Rudd for a reason more believability of the switch if they were so similar. A different hairstyle, clothing, a little facial hair and an accent goes a long way. From an acting perspective of course Paul Rudd would love the role if told (before S3) he was going to be the victim in S3 but the killer in S4 and get to play his own body double in an over the top manner on a hit show. "Sign me up."

I think the actors and Hollywood production are all red herrings to distract us the viewer the same way the entire theater production and cast of characters provided a lot of possibilities in S3 and some of the other tenants and friends in S1 and S2 were just distractions and hiding other crimes but not the murders.

Really great stuff! That's awesome!

Thank you for all of that…

I think it would be an absolutely brilliant twist if Eugene Levy is the murderer. He either has some sort of long time beef with Sazz or just did it to build interest in the movie. So far, they've had several times where they blame it on a celeb and, obviously they're wrong. It would be amazing if this time it actually is a real life celeb.

That was such a great episode. Molly was great, Zak and the dwarves stuff, JM…so much fun stuff in it.

yeah great episode - i liked the way both the detective and the writer are both watching how they work and probably just amazed they accomplish anything which is the appeal. Oliver more focused on trying to impress by his physique (and Loretta is not even there). Charles worried about his character as written and messing it up. Mabel worried about what she really is and just winging it.

Like I said before I knew it was not going to be Bev. The writer was the episode narrator so now he is a possibility, but seemingly had an alibis but I noticed they never watched the youtube he mentioned so it was unconfirmed.

My observations relating to the previous theory I posted:

Nothing in this episode dissuaded me much from suspecting Glen Stubbins/Ben Glenroy.

For one thing he was there during this episode in the building, and could have left the bootprints on the sticky paper. But also he did not react to Oliver saying the name Glen when his back was turned as if it isn't his name. He called Charles Chuck which may be nothing but I'm trying to recall if Ben ever called him Chuck.

If the theory of two killers working together is correct - and of course that jives with the emphasis on twins/brothers/body doubles/etc.... he could be working with the writer. OR.... wild card out of left field theory. I just get this weird feeling about the odd focus on the assistant to the Brothers Sisters. He is seemingly interjected in the scene at random anytime they are around and has no real purpose other than them haranguing him. Sort of the way Poppy was always around in the background and being berated by Cinda. Of course that would be a bit repetitive so maybe not?

Since the team is focused on the Brother Sisters now in only episode 5 that is going to discount them in my book. Red herrings.

Concerning the writer Marshall though. Lots of odd stuff. 20/10 vision would really help a shooter. Glen recognized him but mentioned the beard was knew - at the time he thought he was Mabel but that may have been acting to throw them off (the loony stunt double). The script was supposedly awesome and there was a lot of talk about insecurities. But the rewrites have been terrible. Did Marshall steal the script? And thats why the rewrites are so bad. Was it possibly written by Sazz who would have known our trio real well and been able to describe how they moved and interacted so eloquently. She had a lot of chances to observe them in the first few seasons and maybe even as she has been watching them from the west side? If so maybe Sazz was killed because of that and it wasn't Charles that was the target. And that was what the problem with the movie was that she left a voicemail about for Bev. Either way Marshall is an imposter - whether he is one of the killers or not. Fake beard and glasses all painting him as that way.

So I don't know currently I'm thinking Glen/Ben and Marshall. Why they were working together who knows. Oh there was some exercise equipment and bike in Marshalls apartment. Maybe he is more physically fit then he lets on. And maybe he was even a stunt person previously. Perhaps Sazz recognized him and that is how he knows Glen/Ben too.

Hold up..... we have a major issue with the supposed timeline here.

The voicemail Bev got was at11:07 pm and the incinerator power surge was 11:19pm..... thats where they come up with the 12 minutes.

But Bev was on California time. Her phone screen of the recorded message said Los Angeles California and a number and 11:07pm.

That would have been almost 3 hours after the incinerator power surge or 2:07am in NY.

So we have at least a couple of possibilities:
a - Sazz did not call Bev but somebody else did and played that message for her. Perhaps Sazz had called someone else, the killer, and left that message for them earlier. She never said "Bev" she said "I'm told you you are the one to talk" to but never says her name. Remember also Bev says it was an unknown number anyway so she let it go to voicemail and never called it back.
b - Sazz wasn't killed and did leave the message
c - Sazz did leave that message for Bev but earlier and she called her own number from another phone at 11:07 pm LA time and played the message into the phone again (not thinking about the time difference) as a cover story alibis.

FYI they have the number they can verify if it is even Sazz's number. Or see who it belongs to.

OR???? does the time adjust on voicemails left when you change timezones yourself. So does it show 11:07pm now because she is in NY? And it was at 8:07pm LA time originally?

Squirrel95 said:

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Just watched the latest episode. The cameo on the sidewalk was perfect.

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You can not be serious!

When they first introduced the Brother Sisters as the directors of the "Only Murders" film adaptation, I thought they were going to be a parody of the Wachowskis. However, I'm not seeing it so far in the characters.

Everyone analyzes everything but this was some interesting stuff - I think nothing on this show is accidental.

Bev's office has 3 prominent movie posters (which we would presume she was part of).
Ice Age 2
Garfield 2
Rio 2

So all sequels perhaps implying she has no original ideas or credits - only murders itself as a movie is just taking off from the real life podcast.

But also all animals with jobs in effect.

The movies main characters could be representative of our three mains.
Charles - like the squirrel always scrambling for something precious - his omelettes, sazz legacy, his reputation
Oliver - like Garfield prone to binge eating things not good for him
Mabel - like the bird in Rio trying to learn to fly on her own

Garfield 2 (I'm told) involves a significant plot point about an identity switch.

And of course the two reference itself with the constant use of doubles.

Thanks, zombie Jon!

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When they first introduced the Brother Sisters as the directors of the "Only Murders" film adaptation, I thought they were going to be a parody of the Wachowskis. However, I'm not seeing it so far in the characters.

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I don't think you're too far off here. I think we are going to find out the Brother Sisters were previously dudes or something, and have some sort of beef with Charles/Sazz. Maybe they were also up to be his stunt double or something.

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It's funny, I think a bit about the mystery of the show, but it's way down the list of the reasons I watch, I don't spend hardly any time trying to figure out the murderer. For me it's just a fun light comedy with three leads who clearly enjoy each other.

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Agreed for the most part - but obviously after watching it I do enjoy reading more about it and discovering things I missed, connections, etc. some clues always stand out to me and then I see if others thought the same thing.

I've done pretty well :

Season 3 I predicted Donna and Cliff after 7 episodes anyway and they had been on my radar.

Season 2 I did not get Poppy/Becky but I did think the cop (Rappaport) was involved, I did think it was maybe Cinda but never convinced and that was a great reveal/twist using it to get Poppy to explode and admit it.

Season 1 I definitely was thinking Jan from about mid season.

I'm torn here - still sticking to my Glen (is Ben) theory for now. I tend to dismiss anyone they do show as an actual suspect so I'm not buying Marshall or the Brothers Sisters right now. Could definitely be wrong though. Maybe the twist this time is that it is some combo and therefore harder to predict because no one person would fit all the clues and timeline and they could have partial alibis. If it is a double duo I'm thinking Glen/Christmas guy.

Absolutely bonkers episode. I don't even really know what to say about it yet other than that was some amazing original TV....Emmy material right there for the writers at least. And even the actors - the big three - really delivered. It was so crazy to see how different they were being "on camera" all the time in their real lives and how awkward they were with that when they really are on camera all the time and acting perfectly "natural" in their quirky characters ways. Just another level of awareness of the camera and a direct interaction with it. Blew me away. Production value and editing was off the charts too.

And considering how creative it was and it still advanced the plot significantly is amazing.

So I think my idea that Glen is Ben might have taken a hit with this episode but I suppose it is still possible.


My biggest takeaway from this episode is that Sazz was probably the actual target. It seems like someone is going after stunt people. If Dudenoff was a stunt person (he had a replacement shoulder joint too apparently) and now they took a shot at Glen and previously Sazz it seems like that night be the intended targets. Or Dudenoff might simply be a target for the rental scheme the westies have going on. And someone is now impersonating him and covering up their fraud. Perhaps Sazz found out about that scheme but not sure then why Glen would be targeted. And the warning on the ham radio about the last person who looked into this getting killed probably refers to Dudenoff not Sazz.

And now I think it is possible Sazz was writing TAPING and not TAP IN and the sensitive thing she wanted to tell Charles was he was being watched with a planted camera.

Who ever did that and sent the warning about watching them to their phones also likely wrote the note that said that in season 1 on Jans door and some of the other notes we've seen that have never been explained. And Jan also said there was another murder (presumably Dudenoff).

Ok this has opened up about 1000 tangents now. Anything is possible including the Moriarty concept that people have been holding onto since season 1.

But this one is now starting to make sense to me.....

Rudy (xmas guy) and Vince (eye patch guy) are very suspicious. They reacted with shock when Charles said Dudenoff was back in town. If they knew he was dead that would be a shock. Perhaps they found him dead (as opposed to killing him themselves) and decided to dispose of the body in the incinerator to keep their rent control scheme from being discovered. That is a lot of money and so are the SS checks they might be depositing to keep the ruse alive as well. A lot to cover up. Perhaps the sauce family is not even aware of this. And if they heard the shot that kllled Sazz and saw her through the window they might have disposed of her body the same way. Rudy is very fit and could have been the one to move the body (he was presumably not there the night of the murder and claimed to be out of town). And sending hams from Dudenoff wrapped in Portugese flags would be another part of it.

It's possible the killing of Sazz and Dudenoff and now shooting at Glen have nothing to do with all of that and they are just covering their tracks for the rent control scheme. They could also be the ones leaving the notes and sending the texts as they would have Sazz phone. And they could be the ones that planted the camera. - using the secret passages just to keep tabs on the investigation. So the real killer may be someone else entirely and still might have to do with the movie, the script, Sazz's development property, stunt people, etc.

Yeah, they kind of glossed over the fact that Dudenoff had a replacement shoulder, seems a bit odd for a film professor.

I also thought it was kind of funny that Mabel could get a match back in 15 minutes from the apparently meticulous records kept on Bulgarian replacement shoulder joints

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Yeah, they kind of glossed over the fact that Dudenoff had a replacement shoulder, seems a bit odd for a film professor.

I also thought it was kind of funny that Mabel could get a match back in 15 minutes from the apparently meticulous records kept on Bulgarian replacement shoulder joints

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His was not Bulgarian. I rewound and listened closely.

One of them said "Left" in english and that is the one Mabel had traced. So that might be easier in the US. The other said left in Bulgarian. Charles said he could translate it as he learned a little Bulgarian doing voiceovers for the Macedonian version of Brazzos. So presumably the other "Left" was Sazz's. I don't think even previously they ever bothered tracing those. They assumed they were both Sazz's and for different shoulders.

Gotcha, good catch.

Anyone else get distracted by how terrible Kumail looks now? Guy went way overboard with the roids and HGH.

Also, maybe I'm way off on this, but it seems pretty obvious at this point that there are no murders this season (or maybe just a single one), but is actually just a parallel movie being shot. It's why only stunt people are being "shot", because they are not actually being shot.

This last episode confirmed my suspicion with all the cameras being placed everywhere. Who is to say the cameras weren't already set up in Charles' apartment when Sazz was "shot"?

Very interesting…

Before watching episode 7 I'm doubling down on my Glen theory. Possibly with other stunt people. And he still may or may not be Ben or a brother of Ben.

Main reason is there are patterns from previous seasons which are once again present I think:
- killer always narrates an episode (exceptI guess Cliff did not but Donna did and she tried to kill Ben first)
- usually the killer is not someone suspected directly: Jan, Poppy and Cliff/Donna were never suspected or questioned directly about the crime
- there are always other mysteries that distract but are only related tangentially
- celebrities are always a distraction nothing more

S1 - Teddy Dimas and the jewelry theft that dated back to when Zoe was killed. Plus distractions from some of the other tenants. And Sting.

S2 - Alice's lies were merely a distraction that made her highly suspect. Some of the podcast fans also get involved. Plus the Rose Cooper painting and that mystery with her faking her death. And Amy Schumer.

S3 - The cast of the musical and their own infighting pus the mysterious guy in the rafters (ghost) and Loretta/Dickie hidden relationship. And Matthew Broderick.

S4 - This season I think the other mysteries that are just distracting are Dudenoff and the Westies (the other dead body), the script I think was stolen and Marshal is an imposter (I mean they more or less show that blatantly) and finally the celebrities - Eugene, Eva and Zach.

Thats why I believe it was Glen (and he may be Ben or a brother). They have never even considered him. He may be working with someone like the guy seen leaving the stunt bar hastily when they walked in. Or the masseuse lady Maggie who they have also not considered. Or several from that bar really could be involved. but it is not Marshall or the Brothers sisters or the Westies or the celebrities of course. So we are left with the stunt people. And that would make sense with Sazz being the target for some reason we probably don't even know yet.

Well there you go... pretty much cross the Westies off the list now.

Total red herring - I believe they probably covered up the death of Dudenoff to maintain their rent scheme - but they likely did not kill him just disposed of his body in the incinerator before Sazz was disposed of there. Them now being suspects tells me they are not suspects. One of those distracting side stories that is only tangentially related.

The fact that the actors figured out the tie in to things going back to season 1 is hysterical. that is something that has been widely suspected for a while including in the overarching Moriarty theories. I sill don't buy a Moriarty type but yeah someone has been doing these other things that were never explained from previous seasons and Sazz apparently knew that.

Suspicion will fall on the Westies for that - they could have wanted the podcast to end and been spying on the trio in order to protect their interests in the rent scheme and planted the camera, etc....and they could have killed Sazz when she got too close. But I'm sticking with my belief that they are a red herring here. To the contrary. Like previous seasons when suspicion fell heavily on Teddy/Theo/Jesse before Jan, and S2 on Nina/Cinda/Uma/Alice before Poppy, and S3 on Dickie/Loretta/Tobert/etc. before Cliff/Donna.

I'm still saying it is someone not yet even suspected - and thats gotta be Glen and/or other stunt people. Why on earth even have that part of the story really and especially why have Paul Rudd return to play that role when they could have had anyone else do it with a minimum of similar appearance. And now Glen has been completely ignored for 2 episodes after getting shot. that is the most suspicious of all. Like Jan who more or less disappeared mid investigation, and Poppy too as they focused on Cinda, and even Cliff and Donna as they focused on the other suspects.

Why was he shot then if he was involved? Assuming he is working with someone else - maybe another stunt person...well maybe they very purposefully shot him to throw people off his trail. If the gunman is an expert shot they could have shot him with something not lethal and intentionally hit that plate in his head. Have we heard anything about ballistics on that shooting? I don't think so. But we did on Sazz. Maybe it was a fairly harmless pellet or something. Or totally faked and shot Zach instead but made it look like a ricochet. Something stunt people might know how to pull off.

So they are on the right track of tying back to season one, but they are not on the right suspects. Not for shooting Sazz anyway.

I don't think this helps solve the murder, but was thinking Tobert must have also been a student of Dudenoff- he uses the method of keep filming even when an animal is dying, etc.

Also while I don't think it's Loretta it would be pretty funny for both Charles and Oliver to have dated killers.

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I don't think this helps solve the murder, but was thinking Tobert must have also been a student of Dudenoff- he uses the method of keep filming even when an animal is dying, etc.

Also while I don't think it's Loretta it would be pretty funny for both Charles and Oliver to have dated killers.

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Could be. Really there are a lot of possibilities including other people in the musical and also Cinda. We have seen she had appointments with. a Helga which could be the same Helga as the westies (Rudy's ex) and she might know her through Dudenoff.

Sting…

I did see a theory on Sting being the mastermind behind it all based on the Police song Every Breath You Take and the repeating line "I'll be watching You".

And they noted he was screwed out of millions by Tim Kono's investment firm so could have been triggered way back then.

Continuing on my looking out for repeated themes over the seasons - I have another one to add bolded below:

Main reason is there are patterns from previous seasons which are once again present I think:
- killer always narrates an episode (except I guess Cliff did not but Donna did and she tried to kill Ben first)
- usually the killer is not someone suspected directly: Jan, Poppy and Cliff/Donna were never suspected or questioned directly about the crime
- there are always other mysteries that distract but are only related tangentially
- celebrities are always a distraction nothing more
- the murderer always appears early on, then disappears for several episodes usually before reappearing

S1 - Jan was in E3 and E4 and then disappeared in E5 and E6. She returned in E7 but only seen in passing (from Theo's perspective). She only really returned in E8-10.

S2 - Poppy was in E1 and disappeared until E6 and then back again for E9 and E10.

S3 - Cliff and Donna were in E1-E3 and then disappeared until E7 and then E8-10 as well.

So based on that I dismiss all of the Westies who have been featured prominently and all of the cast and crew of the movie who have been as well.

The only person/persons that fit this pattern are Glen Stubbins and any other stunt people. He did also narrate an episode already.

Sticking with my Glen theory and possibly the Glen is really Ben twist. He may be working with other stunt people like the guy who dashed out of the bar when they showed up. His shooting may have been staged which is something stunt people could pull off and make look realistic. He could have been shot with something non lethal and a great marksman could have hit that plate in his head intentionally for the purpose of selling the fake and putting people off him as a suspect. And stunt people could have moved Sazz body easily.

Not to mention the question of why Paul Rudd would take this role as a stunt double with nothing more behind it. they could have gotten anyone with remotely similar looks to play the part we have seen thus far. but Paul Rudd is doing it. So it has to be more than what we have seen.

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I'll let you guys hash out all the theories. Melissa McCarthy was awesome. Her doorbell was a Billy Joel song. How Long Island is that? Howard telling everyone their safe house location, Molly Shannon twisting off, the cocktail of vodka and crystal light, that episode was hilarious

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Agreed the throwdown between Melissa and Meryl was awesome bet they loved filming that.

I kept expecting a Billy Joel cameo because of that doorbell - a little disappointed there wasn't one.

Kept thinking her husband was going to be someone because we did not see him - until the very end,

I thought Mabel/Selena was hysterical in her reactions to all the bat **** crazy stuff going on. Especially when Bev Melon went off on the actors. She looked like she was about the break character actually.

Very funny episode.