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I hear you but how can you say we are in the "immediate" wake of the pandemic when I have been back at work in the office for literally three years now?

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Because the effects of the pandemic are still negatively impacting industry in terms of development, release dates, etc. Movies/shows take YEARS to and make. Not to mention, the pandemic changed viewing habits for millions of people, it shrunk the release window to streaming, it sped up the demise of linear TV, etc.

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Which is funny, because the vast majority of Hollywood supported the insanely over the top measures in response to the pandemic and mocked anyone who didn't. Now they get to deal with the lasting effects.

But now they should get tax breaks and special treatment...not people working normal jobs just trying to providefor their families in that crippling left winged state.

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More tales of woe from Hollywood crews.

one even had to sell a "second home out of state" and sell her own LA home to then rent.

the horror!!

More TV stations, yet fewer jobs in Hollywood

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They are so out of touch and self worshiping, it is ridiculous. Sociopaths.

Basically Hunger Games capitol type peeps.

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Breaking Bad is the greatest TV show to ever grace the screen. It was 13 episodes per season max (if you count #5 as 2 seasons). I'll take that all day over network shows where every episode is self contained and the order doesn't matter.

Edit: The Wire maxed out at 13 too. These were the 2 best shows. What the hell is wrong with that?

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I agree with your assessment of those shows greatness, but I still reserve the right to complain that it feels like almost every show is now only 8-11 episodes with seasons 1.5-2 years apart.

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Don't get me wrong. If Breaking Bad had the same quality and had 30 episodes per season, then that would have been GREAT. I just don't think it is reasonable to expect that. That when you have 30 episodes per season like in the 70s/80s the quality per episode was much worse. It's inevitable as you spend much less per episode.

Of course Game of Thrones final season had 6 episodes, and it was a total s**t show. So clearly fewer episodes guarantees better quality.


What I grown to dislike is episodic shows (if that is the right term), where they make sure the end is in the same state at the beginning of each one, so that reruns could be played in random order and not be confusing. That reduces the quality, IMO.

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Hey, are you saying you have a problem watching 30 episodes all starting with an ordinary citizen in some kind of trouble reaching out to a team of wrongly convicted soldiers of fortune? A team who breaks out their pilot from his insane asylum cell, then go on to formulate a plan to help the innocent citizens involving the driver team member modifying a car/plane/helicopter and a ruse by their master of disguise team member. And finally that plan comes together and saves the day!

I pity the fool who has a problem watching that on a weekly basis!

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LMCane said:

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I hear you but how can you say we are in the "immediate" wake of the pandemic when I have been back at work in the office for literally three years now?

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Because the effects of the pandemic are still negatively impacting industry in terms of development, release dates, etc. Movies/shows take YEARS to and make. Not to mention, the pandemic changed viewing habits for millions of people, it shrunk the release window to streaming, it sped up the demise of linear TV, etc.

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Which is funny, because the vast majority of Hollywood supported the insanely over the top measures in response to the pandemic and mocked anyone who didn't. Now they get to deal with the lasting effects.

But now they should get tax breaks and special treatment...not people working normal jobs just trying to providefor their families in that crippling left winged state.

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JFC, for the 400th time, I never said that.

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As a (mostly) neutral observer, you did say "Do I think California should offer more tax breaks and incentives for productions? Absolutely." I think it's reasonable for people to conclude that this statement is asking for Hollywood to get special treatment that others don't get. To be exempt from at least some of the taxes and laws foisted on others. If that's not what you meant, that's fine and maybe a clarification is in order.

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TCTTS said:

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LMCane said:

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I hear you but how can you say we are in the "immediate" wake of the pandemic when I have been back at work in the office for literally three years now?

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Because the effects of the pandemic are still negatively impacting industry in terms of development, release dates, etc. Movies/shows take YEARS to and make. Not to mention, the pandemic changed viewing habits for millions of people, it shrunk the release window to streaming, it sped up the demise of linear TV, etc.

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Which is funny, because the vast majority of Hollywood supported the insanely over the top measures in response to the pandemic and mocked anyone who didn't. Now they get to deal with the lasting effects.

But now they should get tax breaks and special treatment...not people working normal jobs just trying to providefor their families in that crippling left winged state.

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JFC, for the 400th time, I never said that.

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As a (mostly) neutral observer, you did say "Do I think California should offer more tax breaks and incentives for productions? Absolutely." I think it's reasonable for people to conclude that this statement is asking for Hollywood to get special treatment that others don't get. To be exempt from at least some of the taxes and laws foisted on others. If that's not what you meant, that's fine and maybe a clarification is in order.

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This is now the FOURTH time I've clarified that statement. It's not my fault certain people here either can't read or apparently have the memory of a goldfish.

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I haven't read all of your comments in the thread but I will say, you've provided no clarification here. Seems it would have been easier to cut and paste the clarification than say you've already given it without any explanation as to what your clarification is.

I get not wanting to regurgitate yourself over and over but there still seems to be a lot of confusion over your comment. Maybe grant a little of the good faith you expect from others and clear it up without insults or accusations.

I enjoy watching these Entertainment threads such as this one and the Sound of Freedom thread or the Fall Guy thread to watch the Tctts vs all other posters violence. They offer up entertainment on the level that hollywood cannot match lately. Soon will be the post where a tap out is threatened, but several more posts will follow.

I admire the passion from all sides on this, but give them a rest,

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I hear you but how can you say we are in the "immediate" wake of the pandemic when I have been back at work in the office for literally three years now?

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Because the effects of the pandemic are still negatively impacting industry in terms of development, release dates, etc. Movies/shows take YEARS to and make. Not to mention, the pandemic changed viewing habits for millions of people, it shrunk the release window to streaming, it sped up the demise of linear TV, etc.

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Which is funny, because the vast majority of Hollywood supported the insanely over the top measures in response to the pandemic and mocked anyone who didn't. Now they get to deal with the lasting effects.

But now they should get tax breaks and special treatment...not people working normal jobs just trying to providefor their families in that crippling left winged state.

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JFC, for the 400th time, I never said that.

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Sorry, I am used to Hollywood narcissists expecting special treatment and may have read too much into your post.

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What an apology.

A huge percentage of people worldwide don't want to watch the woke crap Hollywood is spewing out! Less viewers equals less revenue equals lower paying jobs and fewer of them.

The tv and movie industry voted overwhelmingly for democrats, who then raised their taxes, increased regulations and made their industry less profitable. So tv and movie workers are getting exactly what they voted for.

Do you have a newsletter I can subscribe to? This is insight literally no one has ever shared on this board, ad nauseam, and certainly not in such begrudging fashion.

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If this were a ten-page tread you might have a point, but expecting those who post here to read less than two pages of posts isn't asking a lot. In fact, it's literally the bare minimum. I cannot imagine calling someone out on something, not having first read a page and a half of material.

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I had skimmed your posts previously and was giving the benefit of the doubt, but I just went through your posts more closely and see nothing that offers any substantive clarification regarding your comment on tax breaks and incentives.

Admittedly, this was one tangent comment and probably doesn't deserve to derail the thread. But people did pick up on it and, in response, you only seem to call people names and claim this is the (insert number) of times you've explained yourself, without ever actually explaining yourself.

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What more is there to explain other than I'm not for giving tax breaks only to the film industry? Are y'all asking me to provide a power point presentation, and breakdown exactly where and how I, as governor of California, would handle tax breaks and incentives for all state business? Like, what the hell? This is the weirdest f-ing tangent ever.

Someone commented early on about how Hollywood is losing business to other states and their tax incentives. And I merely said, in a single sentence, that it would be great if California did the same, in order to get some of that business back, which would - you know - help the economy, provide local professionals more jobs, etc, which I thought was a good thing, but then numerous people of course jumped down my throat for not suggesting California do the same for other business. Which... why they hell would I mention/go into detail about any other businesses in a thread about Hollywood on the entertainment board?

This is legit insane.

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Geez dude. As I said at the beginning, I was basically just trying to explain where the disconnect is.

Maybe your first comment was poorly worded or didn't convey exactly what you intended. No biggie. It happens to us all. But there's no reason to slam everyone who understandably read it to seek favorable treatment for Hollywood-that's literally what you wrote. That's the difference between calling for tax breaks and inentives-which are generally seen as only applying to certain segments--versus calling for simply reduced taxes/reduced regulatory burden/etc.

I agree it's a tangent that wasn't worth derailing this thread. But you certainly didn't help matters with your responses. I get it that you think people pick on you on this board because you're in the industry. But assuming everyone is acting in bad faith and responding in kind isn't going to make this board any better.

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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TCTTS said:

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LMCane said:

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I hear you but how can you say we are in the "immediate" wake of the pandemic when I have been back at work in the office for literally three years now?

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Because the effects of the pandemic are still negatively impacting industry in terms of development, release dates, etc. Movies/shows take YEARS to and make. Not to mention, the pandemic changed viewing habits for millions of people, it shrunk the release window to streaming, it sped up the demise of linear TV, etc.

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Which is funny, because the vast majority of Hollywood supported the insanely over the top measures in response to the pandemic and mocked anyone who didn't. Now they get to deal with the lasting effects.

But now they should get tax breaks and special treatment...not people working normal jobs just trying to providefor their families in that crippling left winged state.

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JFC, for the 400th time, I never said that.

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As a (mostly) neutral observer, you did say "Do I think California should offer more tax breaks and incentives for productions? Absolutely." I think it's reasonable for people to conclude that this statement is asking for Hollywood to get special treatment that others don't get. To be exempt from at least some of the taxes and laws foisted on others. If that's not what you meant, that's fine and maybe a clarification is in order.

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This is now the FOURTH time I've clarified that statement. It's not my fault certain people here either can't read or apparently have the memory of a goldfish.

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I must be missing these posts. I skimmed every post on page 1...maybe you had a few posts deleted? Based on page 1, I just see you advocating for relief for productions, even after WOMD called you out.

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Do you have a newsletter I can subscribe to? This is insight literally no one has ever shared on this board, ad nauseam, and certainly not in such begrudging fashion.

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Feel better? There's no need to be a jackass to me. I rarely come over to the Entertainment board and am not very familiar with what opinions are put forth here ad nauseam.

As an unapologetic conservative that votes Republican (cause I have no other realistic choice) I would just like to point out that the last three Republican governors of the great state of Texas have offered all kinds of tax incentives to corporations across many industries (including film) to move operations to Texas. And as I recall, most republicans were more than happy to cheer on the pro business climate such incentives created.

For whatever reason, there is an increasing number of posters here who are F16 regulars, who hate Hollywood - and everything it represents - with a passion, who inexplicably feel the need to CONSTANTLY pop over here to let us know just how horrible Hollywood is, how stupid and entitled everyone in Hollywood is, and to complain endlessly about the Hollywood "agenda" that's coming for their children, etc, etc, etc. It's a never-ending barrage, in thread after thread after thread, and it just gets really, really, really old having to navigate it. These people gleefully stir up sh*t all over this board, and throw fits when challenged in any way, shape or form. So in return, my default position is to simply meet their jackassness with my own jackassness in return, and to try and make this place as miserable for them as they often make it for us. I'm not saying that some of their complaints aren't valid, and I don't mean to play message board cop, I just literally don't understand the psychologic need to come to a board they clearly don't like, turn every last discussion into a political one, and try and piss off as many people as they can in the process. I apologize for overreacting in this specific instance, I just feel like I've read a version of your post literally thousands of times here.

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As an unapologetic conservative that votes Republican (cause I have no other realistic choice) I would just like to point out that the last three Republican governors of the great state of Texas have offered all kinds of tax incentives to corporations across many industries (including film) to move operations to Texas. And as I recall, most republicans were more than happy to cheer on the pro business climate such incentives created.

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I've got no problems with tax incentives - states/cities/counties do that stuff all the time to their benefit. But its usually to attract a new business to the area, not to sustain a business in an unsustainable environment.

If Cali wants to purposefully create a complex regulatory system that increases the cost to do business (and live) in their state and then offset that with additional incentives to actually make running a business there profitable they are more than welcome to do so. But those business that don't get the incentives? Well, that's what they get for being in Cali - you take the good with the bad.

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Urban Ag said:

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As an unapologetic conservative that votes Republican (cause I have no other realistic choice) I would just like to point out that the last three Republican governors of the great state of Texas have offered all kinds of tax incentives to corporations across many industries (including film) to move operations to Texas. And as I recall, most republicans were more than happy to cheer on the pro business climate such incentives created.

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I've got no problems with tax incentives - states/cities/counties do that stuff all the time to their benefit. But its usually to attract a new business to the area, not to sustain a business in an unsustainable environment.

If Cali wants to purposefully create a complex regulatory system that increases the cost to do business (and live) in their state and then offset that with additional incentives to actually make running a business there profitable they are more than welcome to do so. But those business that don't get the incentives? Well, that's what they get for being in Cali - you take the good with the bad.

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I do have to disagree with that statement. To say its usually to attact new businesses rather than retain an established industry is simply not true. Of course its starts out as a way to attract new businesses, but they often remain long after the industry is well established.

And ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the F16-ification of the Entertainment board, lol.

Why are some E-board "regulars" less than enthusiastic about this and quick to lash out? Because there's been a noticeable spike in newcomers to the E-board who's only motivation for visting and posting here is to rag on "hollywood", lament the wokeness of apparently almost every show and movie made, and occasionally trumpet the greatness of the occasional show that's deemed "not woke".


There's no discussion on their part about plot points, actors, characters, or release news unless they can somehow tied it into woke/non-woke. These people unfortunately view politics as entertainment, when most people view entertainment as an escape from politics (and yes that's possible if you stop viewing everything as political).


I'm certainly not staff, but it would be nice if we could simply abide by the following rule...if the intent of your post is political, post it on the politics board.

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I'm an active participant on the Entertainment Board and I seem to recall a thread from last year extensively covering the Writers Guild Strike. Why are some political threads acceptable but others aren't? Does it have to do with the political views/motivations/agenda of the posters?

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There's a difference between political threads and threads that turn political. For me, it's the latter that's far more the problem; that an increasing number of posters from F16 can't help but come here and turn every last discussion about any movie, show, or actor into a political one, and start using the thread as their own, personal soapbox/grievance-airing session. And while I'm all for having civil political discussions about Hollywood in devoted threads like this, the problem is that they too act as Batsignals for F16ers looking to do nothing more than stir the pot and talk endless sh*t about "libs" and "dems" and yada yada yada. So, like FL_Ag1998, I too am often asking why these political discussion can't simply be had on F16. That said, we all know the answer, and it's because, more than anything, these people get off on the sh*t storm they can cause here. Yes, some of it's about venting, but mostly it's the same, pathetic need for "liberal tears" and the like.

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CheeseSndwch said:

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I'm an active participant on the Entertainment Board and I seem to recall a thread from last year extensively covering the Writers Guild Strike. Why are some political threads acceptable but others aren't? Does it have to do with the political views/motivations/agenda of the posters?

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There's a difference between political threads and threads that turn political. For me, it's the latter that's far more the problem; that an increasing number of posters from F16 can't help but come here and turn every last discussion about any movie, show, or actor into a political one, and start using the thread as their own, personal soapbox/grievance-airing session. And while I'm all for having civil political discussions about Hollywood in devoted threads like this, the problem is that they too act as Batsignals for F16ers looking to do nothing more than stir the pot and talk endless sh*t about "libs" and "dems" and yada yada yada. So, like FL_Ag1998, I too am often asking why these political discussion can't simply be had on F16. That said, we all know the answer, and it's because, more than anything, these people get off on the sh*t storm they can cause here. Yes, some of it's about venting, but mostly it's the same, pathetic need for "liberal tears" and the like.

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Dude,

The entire point of the OP article and this thread is to discuss the California Hollywood crisis. Why are they struggling, why can't workers get by, etc. and POLITICAL policies are the primary cause.

To delude yourself into thinking that this thread wouldn't or shouldn't involve politics is ridiculous. That's like getting pissed about a Jimbo Fisher thread "devolving" into a discussion on football.

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I literally said the exact opposite of what you're accusing me of. When I said, "I'm all for having civil political discussions about Hollywood in devoted threads like this," what did you think I meant? I'm genuinely curious how the hell you read that and arrived at the conclusion you just came to?

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Yeah, but you are in THIS THREAD *****ing about politics in the discussion. That's why people are calling you out.

I just enjoy reading these threads because it's the greatest form of entertainment on the Entertainment board. No opinions are changing, from anyone. It's predictable, but it's entertaining. I'd liken it to Office re-runs - you know all of the characters, and you know how they'll act. But you will always watch when it's on because you enjoy seeing the caricatures.

I also like throwing stars around willy nilly because I know it stokes the fire