If you can't separate real life from entertainment then you limit yourself. Have way to many friends that get worked over what an actor or athlete said about politics. I could care less about what they think. Obviously politics is what this show is about but to me it's more about the people

Season 2 Episode 2
In The Shadow of 2 Gunmen

I never noticed the coffee mug before

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20ag07 said:

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Thanks for your contribution.

You know where to find F16.

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It's a show about politics that you launched by relating to our current political climate.

You opened the door; I walked through it.

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You hit the door jamb

While there may be politics in the show, it's definitely not a show about politics. It's fantastic tv.

Here's what I've always thought about the politics of the show.

Yes it was left wing, but it had to be told from SOME point of view to be interesting. It would be boring otherwise. And I thought the show did a good job of exploring both sides of issues and showing flaws even of people on the left.

Of course after saying that, I understand that "Veep" is more politically neutral with the party of Julia Louis-Dreyfus' character never being firmly established. I'm suddenly very interested in watching that show for obvious reasons.

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It's CJ, really.

Josh, maybe.

Toby was too much of Sorkin's angry mouthpiece.

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And what's funny is that it was originally supposed to be Sam. I think that may have played a role in Rob Lowe ultimately leaving the show. It's definitely one of the quintessential "ensemble casts" of tv history.

IMO I think Josh gets a tad bit more focus, over CJ and definitely Toby, especially in the latter seasons.


Regarding the politics of the show, as libertarian/conservative that I lean, I still love the show and think it gives both sides a fair shake. It never portrays the right/Republicans as the enemy. You have Josh or Toby treating them as such, which is accurate from established Dems, but the characters themselves within the show aren't. Or at least rarely are.

Rob Ritchie is portrayed a little dense as kind of a GWB caricature, but isn't a bad guy. Maybe Haffley (Steven Culp), but he's shown as being very competent. But Ainsley Hayes, Joe Quincy, Arnold vinnick, Glenn Allen Walken, cliff calley, all aren't portrayed negatively. In fact most are portrayed as good people with different political persuasions but the show doesn't pass judgement on them. Which is pretty admirable