91_Aggie said:

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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javajaws said:

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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aTmAg said:

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"toxic masculinity"

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Good lord, I hope this stupid phrase dies a horrible painful death ASAP. So sick of it. Masculinity helps raise strong, stable confident children...keeps neighborhoods and communities safe and from falling apart...builds EVERYTHING around us that we take advantage on a daily basis, roofs your house, makes your car, fixes your car...we could go on and on and on.

Such a stupid buzz phrase.

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masculinity != toxic masculinity

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WTH is "toxic masculinity"? It's whatever some angry hardcore feminist who went $180k in debt for a useless liberal arts degree says it is lol.

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Google Andrew Tate

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Yeah, but there have always been extreme ****** bag exceptions like that..."toxic masculinity" is always used in a much broader sense. Basically a way to demean and spread hate against all men who aren't effeminate, passive/submissive liberals. Youre avg liberal feminist who used that teram probably thinks at least 50-60% of all men in this country are masculine///to a toxic degree. It's dumb. Especially considering that most of the men that these weirdos despise build their cars, their roads, roof their homes, keep socioety running and from basically fallina apart overnight.

/end of rant

El Gallo Blanco said:

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91_Aggie said:

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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javajaws said:

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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aTmAg said:

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"toxic masculinity"

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Good lord, I hope this stupid phrase dies a horrible painful death ASAP. So sick of it. Masculinity helps raise strong, stable confident children...keeps neighborhoods and communities safe and from falling apart...builds EVERYTHING around us that we take advantage on a daily basis, roofs your house, makes your car, fixes your car...we could go on and on and on.

Such a stupid buzz phrase.

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masculinity != toxic masculinity

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WTH is "toxic masculinity"? It's whatever some angry hardcore feminist who went $180k in debt for a useless liberal arts degree says it is lol.

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Google Andrew Tate

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Yeah, but there have always been extreme ****** bag exceptions like that..."toxic masculinity" is always used in a much broader sense. Basically a way to demean and spread hate against all men who aren't effeminate, passive/submissive liberals. Youre avg liberal feminist who used that teram probably thinks at least 50-60% of all men in this country are masculine///to a toxic degree. It's dumb. Especially considering that most of the men that these weirdos despise build their cars, their roads, roof their homes, keep socioety running and from basically fallina apart overnight.

/end of rant

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Sorry, but I don't allow liberals to change the english language for me. I don't bow to their re-definition of man and woman and I won't let them make 2 words equivalent to 1 word.

The more that people defer to these idiotic definitions the more power they are voluntarily given.

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Good thing there are no idiot kids with bad parents out there

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Go to any area of any city where there are almost no fathers (aka masculinity) present. You will find much worse than suburban white kids who follow Andrew Tate and talk sh** online.

javajaws said:

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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91_Aggie said:

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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javajaws said:

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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aTmAg said:

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"toxic masculinity"

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Good lord, I hope this stupid phrase dies a horrible painful death ASAP. So sick of it. Masculinity helps raise strong, stable confident children...keeps neighborhoods and communities safe and from falling apart...builds EVERYTHING around us that we take advantage on a daily basis, roofs your house, makes your car, fixes your car...we could go on and on and on.

Such a stupid buzz phrase.

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masculinity != toxic masculinity

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WTH is "toxic masculinity"? It's whatever some angry hardcore feminist who went $180k in debt for a useless liberal arts degree says it is lol.

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Google Andrew Tate

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Yeah, but there have always been extreme ****** bag exceptions like that..."toxic masculinity" is always used in a much broader sense. Basically a way to demean and spread hate against all men who aren't effeminate, passive/submissive liberals. Youre avg liberal feminist who used that teram probably thinks at least 50-60% of all men in this country are masculine///to a toxic degree. It's dumb. Especially considering that most of the men that these weirdos despise build their cars, their roads, roof their homes, keep socioety running and from basically fallina apart overnight.

/end of rant

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Sorry, but I don't allow liberals to change the english language for me. I don't bow to their re-definition of man and woman and I won't let them make 2 words equivalent to 1 word.

The more that people defer to these idiotic definitions the more power they are voluntarily given.

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I agree, I just think the phrase "toxic masculinity" is stupid because they act like it is some pervasive societal bogeyman. There is just masculinity. Then there are assh*les and d00shbags...same as always.

But masculinity is what saves people from rising floodwaters, helps people broken down or with a flat on the side of the road, makes sure we all have electricity and gasoline available at all times, makes sure we have groceries on the shelves, and keeps us safe from foreign adversaries. Feminists (both male and female) that screech about "toxic masculinity!" are pretty much useless to society.

This is so disappointing. I watched the first 2 episodes and was shocked at how good the camera work/one take stuff was. Then I came here and read the real story. 2 episodes is as far as I go with this one.

Most of the people *****ing on this thread haven't even watched the show.

We binged it last night, gripping stuff, thought it was well done and acting superb. Some slow spots but outstanding camera work. Today's kids are a different breed and I pray for my grandkids that they can live through their teen years

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This is so disappointing. I watched the first 2 episodes and was shocked at how good the camera work/one take stuff was. Then I came here and read the real story. 2 episodes is as far as I go with this one.

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This show is not a documentary, it's a story that was loosely inspired by a few different events the creators read about.

The things y'all manage to take issue with amazes me at times.

I'm sorry that's all you were able to get from it

I thought it was very well done. The one shot stuff was really interesting to me, and some of the scenes had some of the best acting I've seen.

That being said - this thing packs a huge emotional punch if you're a parent with kids in the middle to high school range, or younger that will be there eventually. The concept of nuclear families doing the very best they can and something still going horribly wrong with 1 kid and not the other is also interesting.

The hand wringing on this thread is a joke and frankly just soft. Put your politics down for just a sec. If you like good acting, and interesting camera work, it's great.

Now F16 me lol. Great show.

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O.G. said:

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This is so disappointing. I watched the first 2 episodes and was shocked at how good the camera work/one take stuff was. Then I came here and read the real story. 2 episodes is as far as I go with this one.

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This show is not a documentary, it's a story that was loosely inspired by a few different events the creators read about.

The things y'all manage to take issue with amazes me at times.

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Who is y'all? I gave it a day in court and choose not to watch any more of it. Its not like I'm spray painting or burning things here.

O.G. said:

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fig96 said:

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O.G. said:

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This is so disappointing. I watched the first 2 episodes and was shocked at how good the camera work/one take stuff was. Then I came here and read the real story. 2 episodes is as far as I go with this one.

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This show is not a documentary, it's a story that was loosely inspired by a few different events the creators read about.

The things y'all manage to take issue with amazes me at times.

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Who is y'all? I gave it a day in court and choose not to watch any more of it. Its not like I'm spray painting or burning things here.

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You seem to have stopped watching it because a not true story isn't based on a true story which is…a take.

But there's also half a dozen plus other posts complaining about how it's not following the true story it's not about (not to mention the usual posters creating entire scenarios about imaginary people and what they think).

So, ya know, "y'all".

Fair enough, the way you phrased your initial comment made it sound like you weren't continuing because of the fact it wasn't following a story you thought it was about. Sorry for lumping you in with the other group.

Just finished it. Was intrigued by the one continuous shot thing for Episodes 1 and 2.
3 didn't move the story along at all and was a waste of an hour.
4 was literally them driving around, buying paint, and then crying, another waste of an hour.

Completely disappointed in the show. AppleTv shows like Blackbird are 10x the quality of this show.

No twists. Nothing unexpected. Last two episodes were just junk filler. This could have been a boring 2 hour movie instead of a boring 4 hour miniseries.

Synopsis: Another netflix dud...

This show reminds me of artsy films where everyone talks about how great it was but no one actually enjoyed the movie. I don't care it was sad or dark. But tell a compelling story. This didn't

Finished this show Friday night. Meh. The cinematography and acting were pretty good (though not as good as say Hitchcock's"Rope"). Other than that I didn't care for it. It was slow and plodding with lots of things introduced but not resolved. They could have told the same story in half the time.

Edited to add: I didn't know about the change of details until now. Seems to me that if they wanted to make a show based on a true story about toxic masculinity, and if that is a big problem, then they should have no problem doing just that. Changing it up the way they did, well, they're just attacking their own straw man and putting this miniseries firmly in the fiction/entertainment realm where it fell short for me.

When Netflix make a series on Iryna Zarutska pic.twitter.com/5pFBWjGnTr

— Sir Doge of the Coin ⚔️ (@dogeofficialceo) September 10, 2025

Saw it this past week. Excellently made. Actors were outstanding.

Haunting.

Finally got around to seeing this. Episode 3 was incredible.

Man, this thread is really insane though.

lol this thread reads like satire. i was hoping to get an idea on whether this was worth checking out, and to be fair there were a handful of posts helpful in that regard. but holy s-, forget about what the internet is doing to kids, i'm worried about what it's doing to some of you. if you find yourself actually angered by the fact that a non documentary fictional story that took inspiration from multiple incidents didn't specifically feature a killer that was black like one of the real events, maybe it's time to log off twitter for a bit. last i checked, writers are still allowed to be inspired by something when creating a story while still having the freedom to write their, again, FICTIONAL story however they please. getting upset about this really feels like we're setting reason aside bc we want to be mad.

i did get a good laugh out of the comments about white males being the most discriminated group until i realized it wasn't supposed to be a joke. are we counting killers in fiction being white as discrimination now? i guess i was just one of the lucky white males to thus far have all that rampant discrimination miss me. i just want to reiterate that its not just children being negatively impacted by the internet and social media. i miss the pre social media days when people would be too embarrassed to make claims like that out loud in public

life is too short to be this angry and paranoid all the time

yall are entirely too stuck on this whole took inspiration from real events thing. taking inspiration is not the same thing as attempting a dramatic recreation. inspiration can also start you down a path that leads to something totally different. but you all know that already, we're just playing pretend because the outrage only works this way.

don't you guys already have a board for this culture wars bs? i'm sure those guys would love to hear all about the systematic boot on the white mans neck that this show clearly represents to you. this is silly

Criticizing this show for being 180 degrees off from reality is a completely valid thing to do in the thread about this show.