Agree with most of that except the character death part. That one hurt. Think you might be the first person I've seen not be a fan of it. But agree that the obedience thing was a big eye roll and makes zero sense.

I wanted Pennywise to actively take him, similar to how Georgie went out.

That makes sense. Pretty memorable way for him to go out though.

9.5 rating on IMDb

This show gets better and better.

Pennywise: "Whatsa matter? Do I have face…on my face?"

These kids are infinitely more likable than the "kids" on Stranger Things.

I'm so sad about the character death. He was my favorite.

And why do some people who see the Deadlights die, and others just go crazy? Madeline Stowe's character...she didn't die. Why?

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I'm so sad about the character death. He was my favorite.

And why do some people who see the Deadlights die, and others just go crazy? Madeline Stowe's character...she didn't die. Why?

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I get the impression that now IT knows he can manipulate and use Ingrid. Similar to how he influenced Henry Bowers.

The one thing I did not like about this last episode is why did the Indian lady show the military where the pillar was located? If all they were going do was release it.

I don't think she knew they were going to release IT. They told her they were wanting to find the pillars so they could move them inward and shrink his "cage".

They told the spirit, Indian lady this?

Don't remember that one. Yes, let's trust the government/miltary.

I thought the army general did. When he met with her privately and they reminisced about childhood and how he had forgotten everything once he left Derry.

I could be mistaken.

Wasn't the Indian lady a vision only Dick could see?

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Wasn't the Indian lady a vision only Dick could see?

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Yes

Thats what I was trying to relay without any luck.

I was talking about modern day Indian lady. That was friends with army general when they were both young.

Hell, at this point I don't even remember what your question was, so I could be completely off my rocker.

I thought the ending was pretty meh. Typical King. But the series was entertaining enough.

The look on my wife's face when she realized she named her son Richie after Rich...

I liked the season as a whole and looking forward to season 2 knowing IT is going back in time trying to prevent his death. Going to do a binge rewatch when the GF is out of town.

I am not a horror fan AT ALL. I like thrillers but never liked scary movies. I am a wuss. That being said I watched IT when it hit HBO just because it was such a phenomenon and I actually liked it, same for IT 2, so I decided to give this a try about 6 episodes in and binged it. Loved it!

It's horror, yes, but a legitimately well done show. It looks great! And the characters and story were great as well.

One small thing I didn't like was in episode 7 when it was revealed that the military was going to release it to unite America. This made no sense to me, as the cold war was in FULL effect with the Cuban missile crisis and the entire country was already united behind the common enemy of Russia. It also seemed to steal from The Watchman a little too much for my taste. That was my one small issue.

The finale was great and wrapped everything up very nicely. I know that they say Derry makes you forget, but you would think since pretty much every young child and multiple adults were aware of the situation maybe they would take the next 27 years to maybe move the town a little bit down the road

It was a decent popcorn entertainment season.

Agree with post above about the military's motivation. A key aspect driving the entire season was ultimately completely nonsensical.

I just couldn't with this one. Solid acting, solid characters, great setpieces and willing to push the limits... but ridiculous story ("we've got to find one of the other mystic daggers!") and horrible CGI push this thing into the bargain bin.

30 minutes into the last episode and we are deciding the dagger is the one ring and just wants to return home? "Why did you call me Tozier?" Just a waste of some great resources with a laughably bad story.

Anyone involved with the writing on that last episode should be downright embarrassed. What an absolute mess of bad tropes, forced fan service and inconsistent canon.

This was very much "we have this valuable IP and need production to start quick - take a week and come up with a story".

So I went back and rewatched It and It: Chapter 2 this week.

First, it doesn't seem to ever be explained in either movie or the show why it only comes every 27 years. Is this explained in the book? Don't spoil why (in case it comes up in the next seasons), I'm just curious if there is an answer.

The endings of both the movies are kind of, well, dumb. In IT they just realize if they aren't scared of it then it doesn't want them and it just crawls down a hole. Why wouldn't it just go scare some different kids and eat them. How is this really defeating it?. And in Chapter 2 they literally just call it names to kill it. At least the show had a more epic ending to me.

Also the movies don't really jive with the show. The show makes a point that there is a huge event that caps off each cycle (like the factory fire, the shootout with the gangsters, or him kidnapping all the kids from the school in the show). Yet neither of the movies has any such event. They are both just the group of 4-6 kids that take him on. In fact in the second movie it doesn't really show hardly ANYONE get killed or kidnapped the entire time.

Also, in the show they talk about how the meteor was it's prison meant to contain it and made up of something it doesn't like. However, it broke when it landed and he escaped. They then talk about how they found it, broke off pieces and use that as the pillars to keep it caged, because, again, it doesn't like whatever it's made of. Yet, in the Chapter 2 the entire climax of the movie take places with IT crawling all over the remnants of the meteor. He doesn't seem to give a damn about whatever it's made of. Did I miss something?

Overall I liked the movies when I first watched them, but now, on re-watch, I like the show a lot more than the movies.

If you didn't like the ending of the first movie, your mind would be blown at how they defeat IT in the book.

Just when you thought Stephen King couldn't get any more out there, then you read the ending of IT.

It feeds every 27 years then goes back into hibernation.

I don't think it's every truly "killed", it simply retreats until the next cycle.

In the book, the major events don't cap off with a cycle -- a major event starts the cycle. It was retconned for the show because Black Spot at the beginning wouldn't make for a good series flow. The big storm and Georgie getting yanked down the storm drain kicked off one, and I believe the Adrian Mellon beating starts out one of the movies - that's a cycle starter.

A lot of stuff was retconned for the show... and it's retconning a world that really isn't all that connected out and trying to make it a multi-verse. If I recall the novel, Kersh being Bob Gray's daughter was not really a thing. But since it was in a scene of Part 2 in the movie they tried to extrapolate it into a major plot point, even though the ages don't actually make any sense.

Ditto Halloran -- there's enough of a backstory to Dick Halloran in The Shining (and some tidbits still in Doctor Sleep) and him battling a interplanetary clown with the army isn't part of it.

King likes to drop easter egg names/locations/references in his books to give that multiverse appearance, but he never actually planned out any kind of multiverse, so when the dots are connected it rarely makes any kind of sense under close inspection.

Miniseries / Movies / TV Series each do some things really well, and some things really poorly. I think the series really had a chance to shine but they went cheap/quick on the story. The whole pillars concept and the army wanting to use Pennywise to scare people into being submissive was grade school writing in what otherwise was a well above average show (save for the bad CGI).

I've read they dealt with a few writers strikes and then obviously not knowing until late in actual production if Skarsgard was going to play Pennywise impacted filming. Really wonder how good they could have made this had they handled the writing with care.