That sure was depressing and a very difficult episode to watch. The only thing I liked about it was the porch conversation between the detectives, "...What is wrong with you?! you are so normal..."

Would not recommend it to anyone....

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Yeah that was very unsatisfying. The actors were great, the production was good, but the tone was inconsistent and never crystallized into a clear vision and the plot ended up being a yawner.

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Well said. The casting and the acting jobs were well done and I enjoyed that part, but it wound up a huge depressing mess.

Whew. I felt like E1-E6 had some humor at least. That finale was void of any laughs. Cool rendition of "Let the Sunshine"

My wife and I enjoyed the first episode and barely made it through the rest. The best part for me is that my wife is very naive, and watching her facial expressions throughout the series was priceless. Porch scene at the end did her in!

which seems shocking

because he appears to be down to earth in interviews and playing this role

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OldArmy71 said:

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That "dance" stuff was just agonizingly long and cringey.

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Yeah, I hit the FF a few different times in this episode, including that scene. I was done with this thing other than, given the time I invested for 6 episodes, I just wanted to see how he died.

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I fast forwarded through the dance as well

was it supposed to be where Clark was going to get physically intimate-

or all along just to hang out and bond with each other?

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My wife and I enjoyed the first episode and barely made it through the rest. The best part for me is that my wife is very naive, and watching her facial expressions throughout the series was priceless. Porch scene at the end did her in!

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Is she Mormon?

OldArmy71 said:

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Jim01 said:

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Yeah that was very unsatisfying. The actors were great, the production was good, but the tone was inconsistent and never crystallized into a clear vision and the plot ended up being a yawner.

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Well said. The casting and the acting jobs were well done and I enjoyed that part, but it wound up a huge depressing mess.

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I will admit that I liked this series.

I appreciated a discussion of male bonding and friendship

did not like the LGBTQ overtones or the overly graphic descriptions by the black detective but that did not detract from an interesting storyline

also the acting was fantastic.

at least the writers HAD TO THINK OF SCENARIOS and an actual story other than:
"AI please create Spider Man 24 for me"

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the whole thing felt like an elaborate experiment to see how long they could get people to watch that garbage.

From the way Bateman kept withholding information, to the wife being so fearful of her toilet paper shoplifting charge showing up (to name a few).

Just nonsense plot points all around.

what a mess.

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my guess is that she was not worried about the actual criminal charge

but that it showed she was always poor

What a weird, depressing finale...

That kid is going to revert to having his behavioral issues, probably for life.

Floyd ends it and the family will never see a dime of his life insurance policy.

Clark loses his best friend and his family (hard to feel sorry for him for the latter).

Also, shouldn't Clark be on the hook for supplying Floyd with the drug he used to kill himself?

Whos Juan said:

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What a weird, depressing finale...

That kid is going to revert to having his behavioral issues, probably for life.

Floyd ends it and the family will never see a dime of his life insurance policy.

Clark loses his best friend and his family (hard to feel sorry for him for the latter).

Also, shouldn't Clark be on the hook for supplying Floyd with the drug he used to kill himself?

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I did think about losing the insurance policy if it was a suicide

but maybe the police will just drop the entire thing so that Floyd's family gets the payout.

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DannyDuberstein said:

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OldArmy71 said:

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That "dance" stuff was just agonizingly long and cringey.

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Yeah, I hit the FF a few different times in this episode, including that scene. I was done with this thing other than, given the time I invested for 6 episodes, I just wanted to see how he died.

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I fast forwarded through the dance as well

was it supposed to be where Clark was going to get physically intimate-

or all along just to hang out and bond with each other?

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I feel like Clark really grew to have an incredibly strong platonic/bro love for Forest, and he felt awful about the Tiger Tiger thing. He was hoping maybe the love he felt for him could manifest in him getting a boner to try to boost Forest's spirits. But realized, he's 100% hetero so it wasn't going to happen. I think it was a perfect storm of his utter loneliness, love for Forest, and sadness over hurting him that culminated in this awkward dance-off.

Even sadder still is that Clark found himself even more alone at the end of it all. No Forest, no mistress, no wife, no kids, and I'm assuming no job.

All Forest wanted was to have his stepson look up to him and love him. Everything in his life seemed to revolve around sacrificing himself to gain approval and love from someone else. And the one person he wanted the most to lift up ended up hating him.

In the process of both these men trying to "improve" their lives, they only ended up exacerbating the issues they were trying to fix. Who knows how the kid is going to end up now that he realizes Forest was actually saying "I love you". Kid was already a mess, and now he'll have that on his conscience. The only person who might've ended up "better off" in any way after all of this was Carol Love Smernitch, with her nice life insurance payout.

So is this show any good?

The trailer did nothing for me.

Ghost of Bisbee said:

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So is this show any good?

The trailer did nothing for me.

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Starts out pretty good like it's going to end with an interesting twist. Then it ends pretty terribly.

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LMCane said:

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DannyDuberstein said:

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OldArmy71 said:

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That "dance" stuff was just agonizingly long and cringey.

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Yeah, I hit the FF a few different times in this episode, including that scene. I was done with this thing other than, given the time I invested for 6 episodes, I just wanted to see how he died.

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I fast forwarded through the dance as well

was it supposed to be where Clark was going to get physically intimate-

or all along just to hang out and bond with each other?

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I feel like Clark really grew to have an incredibly strong platonic/bro love for Forest, and he felt awful about the Tiger Tiger thing. He was hoping maybe the love he felt for him could manifest in him getting a boner to try to boost Forest's spirits. But realized, he's 100% hetero so it wasn't going to happen. I think it was a perfect storm of his utter loneliness, love for Forest, and sadness over hurting him that culminated in this awkward dance-off.

Even sadder still is that Clark found himself even more alone at the end of it all. No Forest, no mistress, no wife, no kids, and I'm assuming no job.

All Forest wanted was to have his stepson look up to him and love him. Everything in his life seemed to revolve around sacrificing himself to gain approval and love from someone else. And the one person he wanted the most to lift up ended up hating him.

In the process of both these men trying to "improve" their lives, they only ended up exacerbating the issues they were trying to fix. Who knows how the kid is going to end up now that he realizes Forest was actually saying "I love you". Kid was already a mess, and now he'll have that on his conscience. The only person who might've ended up "better off" in any way after all of this was Carol Love Smernitch, with her nice life insurance payout.

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fantastic summary above

did you type that or use AI Claude?

I think now that one of the MAJOR THEMES is "do not take what you have for granted"

I mean Clark had it all- cute wife and kids and good job and nice house

but because he didn't feel the "sparks" he threw it all away for an affair

even Floyd had a nice doting wife who put up with him and at least he was alive

maybe if they both cared a lot less about physical intimacy chasing some hollywood fantasy and instead just enjoyed platonic intimacy they would have had great lives.

Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Except she'll never see a dime of the insurance payout.

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Does life insurance not pay out if it's ruled suicide?

AJ02 said:

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Except she'll never see a dime of the insurance payout.

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Does life insurance not pay out if it's ruled suicide?

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Normally not within first two years of purchase

Did the cops say it was being ruled a suicide? Without a note and just the testimony from a kid, I don't see how they could definitively rule it a suicide.

Rough landing, but still liked the show. Wish the ending were better.

Captain Winky said:

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Did the cops say it was being ruled a suicide? Without a note and just the testimony from a kid, I don't see how they could definitively rule it a suicide.

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No that was my point

the police never stated they would classify it as a suicide

it was just "well we found out both defendants didn't do it"

Right, so I don't know why so many people are complaining about how his wife wouldn't receive the life insurance payout.

Captain Winky said:

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Right, so I don't know why so many people are complaining about how his wife wouldn't receive the life insurance payout.

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Because no insurer is just going to cut a check under those circumstances. The most likely scenario is once the insurer conducted their own investigation they are going to either deny payment and bring on the lawsuit from the wife or just drag their feet as long as they can until the get an official cause of death.

I am not aware of any policies that would cover a suicide. Even for accidental death or dismemberment I have to carry a separate policy.

i've decided to not even finish it

im out watched 4 i think and kind of FF through the 4th one anyway

based on feedback here no need