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In reply to schmendeler • 1:11p, 4/8/26
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schmendeler said:
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"Female executives" is pretty sexist and ****ty

If that is sexism, then we need ALOT more sexism.
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1:18p, 4/8/26
I think "wokeness" is thinly veiled laziness. Destructionist ideations of those masquerading as virtuous. I remember my dad telling me when he was pursuing post-graduate studies in English Lit, how everyone wanted to put their "spin" on Shakespeare or other historical greats. Instead of crafting a compelling and original piece of work themselves, they were - to quote him, just tap-dancing on a pin head to justify their degrees.

Hollywood doesn't have any good ideas. They just don't. Any semblance of originality is beaten and massaged away by countless executives that need to be able to say they put their stamp on the film.

They also cost too damn much, so you can't take risks. Take chances. Streaming offers more opportunities, with less oversight, and more freedom to make shows like Tires with Shane Gillis. Rogan asked him how much Netflix was up his butt when making, and he said basically zero. They can take a portfolio-approach and allow for shows like this. If they fail, there are dozens more making buckets of money to offset losses. Or the Tom Brady roast. THE most watched show on Netflix ever.

Studio execs are corporate vampires, sucking the life and soul out of good ideas, and are too cowardly to support anything that could cost them their job.
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In reply to schmendeler • 2:44p, 4/8/26
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schmendeler said:
javajaws said:
schmendeler said:
Cliff.Booth said:


"Female executives" is pretty sexist and ****ty

So its sexist and ****ty to acknowledge men and women work and think differently? Granted, he hasn't presented any facts to back up his theory - buts its plausible given that men and women (in general) do not think/work in exactly the same way or with the same motivations.


He's not saying men and women think differently. He is talking about a problem as he sees it and blames women for it.

He is talking about a problem as he sees it and blames women for it BECAUSE of how men and women think differently.

He literally gave an example of men and women thinking differently - did you read it? Did you comprehend it? It sure doesn't sound like it.

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Listen, I've worked with a ton of amazing development executives. But, you know, guys, when they think about something like Star Wars, they think about it in the most basic terms, which is kind of what guys want, the sort of Joseph Cambellesque adventure with heroes and villains, and the guy gets the girl. All the simple stuff.

A woman will generally say, 'I'm going to fix this guy. I'm going to change him.' And so they're taking this IP and they're completely rejiggering it in a way that they think works.

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5:01p, 4/8/26
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The crux of the issue is executives (MOSTLY female) decided that a genre like sci-fi which was traditionally consumed by males (roughly 70% sometimes higher) should now suddenly pivot and target female audiences.

You can almost hear the elevator pitch "you're ignoring half the ticket buying population by focusing on male archetypical stories, why not inject more female centric stories to attract that audience."

The problem obviously is most females don't give a s*it about sci-fi so you're pandering to a non-existent audience and alienating your built-in male audience.

Just galactically stupid and now here we are.
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5:09p, 4/8/26
Say what you what, wokeness and DEI definitely killed the star trek franchise. Discovery was bad and Fleet Academy was the nail in the coffin so to speak.

Who in their right mind thought that it was a good idea to put a Klingon in a dress and make a female Jem'Hadar.
Can't decide if I want to be cute & cuddly, or go blow some sh*t up.
Decisions decisions.
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In reply to The Ex Officio Director • 5:24p, 4/8/26
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The Ex Officio Director said:
Say what you what, wokeness and DEI definitely killed the star trek franchise. Discovery was bad and Fleet Academy was the nail in the coffin so to speak.

Who in their right mind that it was a good idea to put a Klingon in a dress and make a female Jem'Hadar.

I think it's killed a lot of IP not only because it turned off a lot of the traditional male audience but because now as a writer your job isn't just to come up with a compelling story, it's now your responsibility to inject DEI and wokeness into that story. That takes up VAULABLE cycles that could be devoted to shaping up and polishing your script to make it really sing.

The other problem is unless you're VERY talented and creative you're hamstrung with having to inject a gay-centric or a racial discrimination plot into your story and usually those are very tired and trite tropes so it slows down the story.

Don't get me wrong, you can write a very compelling gay-centric or racial discrimination story and be successful. Get Out is a great example of the latter. The problem is when the poor writer has to shoe horn it into a story where it really doesn't make sense and stands out like a sore thumb.

TLDR - just let writers focus on the f***ing story.
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In reply to Prosperdick • 5:26p, 4/8/26
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In reply to schmendeler • 8:36p, 4/8/26
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schmendeler said:
Cliff.Booth said:


"Female executives" is pretty sexist and ****ty

There is a Disney exec that is a disgusting parent and human.
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11:11p, 4/8/26
The kind of stuff that will save the movie industry. It's this mentality the industry needs to embrace at every opportunity.
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10:12a, 4/9/26
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Diverse casting, especially for BIPOC, is a good in and of itself. This has been well established, and it's really disheartening to see so much derision, especially against those executives who Identify as female.
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In reply to Redstone • 10:45a, 4/9/26
You overtrolled this time.
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In reply to maroon barchetta • 11:03a, 4/9/26
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You can't tell the difference between Redstone and Schmendeler.
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In reply to Belton Ag • 1:17p, 4/9/26
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Belton Ag said:
You can't tell the difference between Redstone and Schmendeler.


Bull****, scmendeler is a true believer while redstone is just a troll.
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In reply to Sea Speed • 1:28p, 4/9/26
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Belton Ag said:
You can't tell the difference between Redstone and Schmendeler.


Bull****, scmendeler is a true believer while redstone is just a troll.


This is the correct answer.
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In reply to Sea Speed • 1:33p, 4/9/26
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Sea Speed said:
Belton Ag said:
You can't tell the difference between Redstone and Schmendeler.


Bull****, scmendeler is a true believer while redstone is just a troll.


That's why it's funny to me.
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1:58p, 4/9/26
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I'm just providing analysis, as I do periodically, and Stars would be appreciated. (Most of my posts do Turn Blue lately)
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In reply to Proposition Joe • 2:06p, 4/9/26
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A movie like Superbad shows you can still have the "kids trying to get laid" without pushing into sexual assault territory


Uh.... Seth's entire reason for getting alcohol that night was so he could get Jules drunk and sleep with him. That's basically considered rape now.
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In reply to Redstone • 3:21p, 4/9/26
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Redstone said:
I'm just providing analysis, as I do periodically, and Stars would be appreciated. (Most of my posts do Turn Blue lately)

Star Wh***s: Blue team leader

(lets just keep it pg and leave the blue milk out of it)
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In reply to javajaws • 3:24p, 4/9/26
javajaws said:
Redstone said:
I'm just providing analysis, as I do periodically, and Stars would be appreciated. (Most of my posts do Turn Blue lately)

Star Wh***s: Blue team leader

(lets just keep it pg and leave the blue milk out of it)

Is that similar to blue waffles
Can't decide if I want to be cute & cuddly, or go blow some sh*t up.
Decisions decisions.
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In reply to Redstone • 3:29p, 4/9/26
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Redstone said:
I'm just providing analysis, as I do periodically, and Stars would be appreciated. (Most of my posts do Turn Blue lately)

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In reply to Teslag • 3:32p, 4/9/26
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Teslag said:

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A movie like Superbad shows you can still have the "kids trying to get laid" without pushing into sexual assault territory


Uh.... Seth's entire reason for getting alcohol that night was so he could get Jules drunk and sleep with him. That's basically considered rape now.

Also, Superbad cannot be considered a "modern comedy" like everything else we are talking about. That movie came out nearly 20 years ago.

I still remember the very first time hearing the term "woke" back in 2006, but it didn't really start to permeate Hollywood until after 2010.
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3:41p, 4/9/26
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With solid tax credits, plenty of film and television production is in Canada, and Vancouver especially.

Canada has updated the LGBTQ acronym to MMIWG2SLGBTQQIA+, and I really hope we are able to follow their lead.
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In reply to Redstone • 3:59p, 4/9/26
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Just for funsies, could they add MMB5G to their acronym?
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In reply to Redstone • 5:04p, 4/9/26
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Redstone said:
With solid tax credits, plenty of film and television production is in Canada, and Vancouver especially.

Canada has updated the LGBTQ acronym to MMIWG2SLGBTQQIA+, and I really hope we are able to follow their lead.

I love that it's now 15 characters long and they STILL kept the "+" at the end. Chef's kiss.
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In reply to Redstone • 5:52p, 4/9/26
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Redstone said:
With solid tax credits, plenty of film and television production is in Canada, and Vancouver especially.

Canada has updated the LGBTQ acronym to MMIWG2SLGBTQQIA+, and I really hope we are able to follow their lead.


*** is so much shorter and really rolls off the tongue.
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In reply to The Ex Officio Director • 7:30p, 4/9/26
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The Ex Officio Director said:
Say what you what, wokeness and DEI definitely killed the star trek franchise. Discovery was bad and Fleet Academy was the nail in the coffin so to speak.

Who in their right mind thought that it was a good idea to put a Klingon in a dress and make a female Jem'Hadar.


I've said it before, but any idea in a writing room that starts with, "Wouldn't it be cool if..." should be immediately taken out back and shot because it's inevitably going to be fan fictionesque crap that's only cool to whoever is suggesting it.
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In reply to ABATTBQ11 • 7:55p, 4/9/26
They should all get their phones out and call their family and cousins in flyover states and ask them if the idea sounds interesting or lame. Calls like that would have saved studios a quadrillion dollars in the last 10 years.
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The Ex Officio Director said:
Say what you what, wokeness and DEI definitely killed the star trek franchise. Discovery was bad and Fleet Academy was the nail in the coffin so to speak.

Who in their right mind thought that it was a good idea to put a Klingon in a dress and make a female Jem'Hadar.


I've said it before, but any idea in a writing room that starts with, "Wouldn't it be cool if..." should be immediately taken out back and shot because it's inevitably going to be fan fictionesque crap that's only cool to whoever is suggesting it.

In 2018 I worked with the worst development exec I have ever met. The distributor sent her from L.A. to Ohio where we were filming on location just to get her away from the office. Rarely do the dev execs come out. From there it seemed like she was trying to make the script worse. Changing a romantic Italian dinner to shrimp and grits and having the guy hand feed the girl a shrimp. Barf.

Right after that she left the company and spent the next 3 years as the director of scripted programing at AMC. Then she got hired as VP of scripted series 20th Television. I see people fall up all the time in this industry. Kurtzman will end up with another show somewhere.
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6:30p, 4/10/26
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DEI has certainly had an effect on the content that is produced, but at the end of the day the question is "are you primarily not going to the theater because of the content, or for other reasons?"

So I gave myself a few questions:

1.) Alternative Entertainment Options: If I woke up tomorrow and our entertainment world was exactly the same as the early 90s (no internet, no smart phones, no Youtube, no streaming services, 25" CRT televisions, no pause/DVR, etc.), would I go to the theater to see the content that is being put out right now?

I'm not sure, but I think I might.

2.) The content itself: If content very similar to what I liked in the 90s/early 2000s was being released in theaters today, would I go to the theater to see it?

Hell no. There are too many other options and going to the theater is a huge hassle.

3.) Cost: If it were literally free for me to go to the theater whenever I wanted, would I often go?

Hell no. In fact, I'm not sure how much you would have to pay me to go, aside from certain "big event" type movies.

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10:05p, 4/10/26
Some chick with a septum-piercing was absolutely stunned that Disney didn't want to lose $100 million on her project.

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In reply to Seven Costanza • 10:13p, 4/10/26
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DEI has certainly had an effect on the content that is produced, but at the end of the day the question is "are you primarily not going to the theater because of the content, or for other reasons?"

So I gave myself a few questions:

1.) Alternative Entertainment Options: If I woke up tomorrow and our entertainment world was exactly the same as the early 90s (no internet, no smart phones, no Youtube, no streaming services, 25" CRT televisions, no pause/DVR, etc.), would I go to the theater to see the content that is being put out right now?

I'm not sure, but I think I might.

2.) The content itself: If content very similar to what I liked in the 90s/early 2000s was being released in theaters today, would I go to the theater to see it?

Hell no. There are too many other options and going to the theater is a huge hassle.


Troy came out in 2004, Kingdom of Heaven in 2005, The Hangover in 2009

All were worth seeing in the theater. I'm not saying that makes up for every year, but there were enough stellar movies in the '90s and '00s to make going to the movies worth it.
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In reply to Backyard Gator • 7:09a, 4/11/26
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There were plenty of good movies during that time. The point was that there are so many more options today (watching it at home, etc) that I wouldn't be going if those same types of movies were released today, which means the content itself is not my primary reason for not going to the theater now.
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Belton Ag said:
I'm old and all, so I know I'm out of touch and just yelling at clouds, but I will never, ever understand preferring to stream a movie at home over watching in the theater. Project Hail Mary, for example, is an event and is just meant to watch on a big screen with an audience. And I say this as a person who generally dislikes crowds and being around people.


I stream because I have a 4 year old and twin 11 month old. Otherwise I'm in the theater. Appreciate the options!

Excited to make up for lost time when kids are older!
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In reply to Seven Costanza • 9:48a, 4/11/26
Seven Costanza said:
DEI has certainly had an effect on the content that is produced, but at the end of the day the question is "are you primarily not going to the theater because of the content, or for other reasons?"

So I gave myself a few questions:

1.) Alternative Entertainment Options: If I woke up tomorrow and our entertainment world was exactly the same as the early 90s (no internet, no smart phones, no Youtube, no streaming services, 25" CRT televisions, no pause/DVR, etc.), would I go to the theater to see the content that is being put out right now?

I'm not sure, but I think I might.

2.) The content itself: If content very similar to what I liked in the 90s/early 2000s was being released in theaters today, would I go to the theater to see it?

Hell no. There are too many other options and going to the theater is a huge hassle.

3.) Cost: If it were literally free for me to go to the theater whenever I wanted, would I often go?

Hell no. In fact, I'm not sure how much you would have to pay me to go, aside from certain "big event" type movies.



Even with inflation, streaming, and degenerates talking or on their phones, all being factors, I think a lot of people, myself for sure, don't go nearly as often because of how few movies warrant it. We are lucky to get a few proper blockbusters a year that aren't dumb reboots, spinoffs, and sequels. The comedies you'd have wanted to go see with your friends? Gone, can't punch down on anyone. The romcoms your wife would talk you into seeing? Gone, Hollywood doesn't like stories about relatable cis couples who love each other. The family movies you were excited to take your kids to? Mostly gone, almost all come along with some woke nonsense you don't want to expose your kids to. The 90's to early 2000's was quite a run. The people in the industry today don't want and couldn't produce a return to that kind of content. So, you'll either take in far less media than you did, or you'll lap up the slop you're offered.
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