There are actually people who don't believe that OJ did it?

Michael's bedroom was at the end of a long hallway, and there were multiple sensors at the front end of it to warn him someone had entered that hallway to give him a heads up. The door to his bedroom had multiple levels of locks on it so nobody could enter until he allowed them in.

He admitted publicly to sleeping in his bed with little boys on many occasions.

That is enough for me to vote guilty on a jury.

Is it remotely possible that it was innocent? Yes, but no reasonable person would think so.

And that isn't even the only circumstantial evidence. It's just enough for me.

If we are talking about a courtroom, where it has to be beyond a reasonable doubt, I'm not sure he gets a conviction in cases brought by any of the people who have accused him in public. They all have financial motivations and are sketchy families (which you would kind of have to be to let your kid sleep with a grown man for months at a time). They've also all flip flopped on their stories multiple times, so I think there is reasonable doubt.

However, if we are just saying is he more likely guilty than not, then I'd say yes. He's more likely guilty.

Also, any parent who continued to let their kid have a sleep over after the first allegations became public is complicit as well. I could see some of these families dangling their kids as bait in hopes of getting a big pay day. Not excusing Micheal, or saying the kids are at fault. I'm just saying, what kind of parent lets their kid have a sleep over with a grown man who has already been accused of raping kids?

The more information that I've continued to see, I don't believe that he is a pedo. I think the opposite actually. I believe that he was trying to save the kids from the sick Hollywood pedo ring that has been going on for a very long time. They didn't like that and they set him up and changed the narrative on him. If you listen to some of his later songs, the lyrcis speak for themselves.

See Mel Gibson, Cory Feldman, etc.....all of these people speak out and try to expose this stuff and get ostracized. With MJ, he was too big to be silenced, so they had to have him killed. Same with Princess Diana. I know that I will likely be called a conspiracy theorist, but I really don't care.

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The more information that I've continued to see, I don't believe that he is a pedo. I think the opposite actually. I believe that he was trying to save the kids from the sick Hollywood pedo ring that has been going on for a very long time. They didn't like that and they set him up and changed the narrative on him. If you listen to some of his later songs, the lyrcis speak for themselves.

See Mel Gibson, Cory Feldman, etc.....all of these people speak out and try to expose this stuff and get ostracized. With MJ, he was too big to be silenced, so they had to have him killed. Same with Princess Diana. I know that I will likely be called a conspiracy theorist, but I really don't care.

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This is some wild *****

Is there some ringleader of this pedo ring? Who decides who has to die?

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The more information that I've continued to see, I don't believe that he is a pedo. I think the opposite actually. I believe that he was trying to save the kids from the sick Hollywood pedo ring that has been going on for a very long time. They didn't like that and they set him up and changed the narrative on him. If you listen to some of his later songs, the lyrcis speak for themselves.

See Mel Gibson, Cory Feldman, etc.....all of these people speak out and try to expose this stuff and get ostracized. With MJ, he was too big to be silenced, so they had to have him killed. Same with Princess Diana. I know that I will likely be called a conspiracy theorist, but I really don't care.

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This is some wild *****

Is there some ringleader of this pedo ring? Who decides who has to die?

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Maybe you've been living under a rock the last several years, but do a Google search of the Epstein files and start there.

Not to go off topic a little, but the OJ documentary that ESPN did was nothing short of outstanding. If the LAPD wasn't who they were in the 80s and 90s, OJ would have been found guilty and no one would have had a problem with it.

OJ: Made in America

I highly recommend watching that series in full. No doubt he was guilty but it didn't matter. He got what was coming to him anyway...

One of the kids he admittedly shared a bed with frequently drew an accurate picture of the vitiligo markings on the underside of MJs dick. They also found bondage pics in a case by his bed with everyone's fingerprints on them - MJ and the boys

Is every accuser legit? Maybe not. But there is not a single doubt in my mind that he engaged in sexual activities with children, and I don't see how anyone could think otherwise other than being a moron.

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The more information that I've continued to see, I don't believe that he is a pedo. I think the opposite actually. I believe that he was trying to save the kids from the sick Hollywood pedo ring that has been going on for a very long time. They didn't like that and they set him up and changed the narrative on him. If you listen to some of his later songs, the lyrcis speak for themselves.

See Mel Gibson, Cory Feldman, etc.....all of these people speak out and try to expose this stuff and get ostracized. With MJ, he was too big to be silenced, so they had to have him killed. Same with Princess Diana. I know that I will likely be called a conspiracy theorist, but I really don't care.

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This is one of the dumbest conspiracy theories I've ever heard.

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David_Puddy said:

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The more information that I've continued to see, I don't believe that he is a pedo. I think the opposite actually. I believe that he was trying to save the kids from the sick Hollywood pedo ring that has been going on for a very long time. They didn't like that and they set him up and changed the narrative on him. If you listen to some of his later songs, the lyrcis speak for themselves.

See Mel Gibson, Cory Feldman, etc.....all of these people speak out and try to expose this stuff and get ostracized. With MJ, he was too big to be silenced, so they had to have him killed. Same with Princess Diana. I know that I will likely be called a conspiracy theorist, but I really don't care.

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This is one of the dumbest conspiracy theories I've ever heard.

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So you believe he just all of a sudden died before he could expose them? What about Paul Walker who was working on a documentary to do the same thing? Strange coincidence he died as well? Is Nikki Minaj lying when she said Hollywood & the music industry is full of satanic pedos?

I bet your trust that the government is looking out for your best interest and there is no fraud as well.

He died because he was ****ing nuts and using propofol to sleep

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David_Puddy said:

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The more information that I've continued to see, I don't believe that he is a pedo. I think the opposite actually. I believe that he was trying to save the kids from the sick Hollywood pedo ring that has been going on for a very long time. They didn't like that and they set him up and changed the narrative on him. If you listen to some of his later songs, the lyrcis speak for themselves.

See Mel Gibson, Cory Feldman, etc.....all of these people speak out and try to expose this stuff and get ostracized. With MJ, he was too big to be silenced, so they had to have him killed. Same with Princess Diana. I know that I will likely be called a conspiracy theorist, but I really don't care.

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This is one of the dumbest conspiracy theories I've ever heard.

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So you believe he just all of a sudden died before he could expose them? What about Paul Walker who was working on a documentary to do the same thing? Strange coincidence he died as well? Is Nikki Minaj lying when she said Hollywood & the music industry is full of satanic pedos?

I bet your trust that the government is looking out for your best interest and there is no fraud as well.

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This is a bit too far. So, there's a pedo ring, with a mystery leader, or leaders, who organize the grooming and executing. This mystery organization has never been reported on by a mainstream news outlet, despite being around and doing stuff to people for over 20 years. Nobody knows who they are, or how they operate except for Paul Walker, Nikki Minaj and Michael Jackson. Odd choices to leak to.

So now I'm being ridiculous for not believing in your ridiculous conspiracy theory? Got it. Also, you're not doing yourself any favors with the term "satanic pedos," which is one step removed from Qanon derangement. At least I know who I'm dealing with now and not to engage anymore, so thank you for that.

I'm afraid not. Take a look at his posting history.

I feel like I'm reading a script for a South Park episode.

I have worked with a director many times who is good friends with Corey Feldman and I have spent some time around him. Feldman is a strange dude but swears up and down MJ never did anything to him.

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I have worked with a director many times who is good friends with Corey Feldman and I have spent some time around him. Feldman is a strange dude but swears up and down MJ never did anything to him.

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Hope TTCTS doesn't read your post

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So now I'm being ridiculous for not believing in your ridiculous conspiracy theory? Got it. Also, you're not doing yourself any favors with the term "satanic pedos," which is one step removed from Qanon derangement. At least I know who I'm dealing with now and not to engage anymore, so thank you for that.

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Guess you think Hollywood is pure & good and all of the stuff in the E files is made up…..good to know

What in the hell are you talking about?

Hollywood can have pedos AND Michael Jackson can be a pedo. Both can be and are true.

What kind of deranged brain would insist otherwise?

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uujm said:

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I have worked with a director many times who is good friends with Corey Feldman and I have spent some time around him. Feldman is a strange dude but swears up and down MJ never did anything to him.

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Hope TTCTS doesn't read your post

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Jackson was smart enough to know not to mess with the famous ones.

Did MJ sleep in the same bed with boys? Yes or no?

If the answer is yes, I don't care if he slept with a straight jacket on...you don't do that. It eliminates any and all credibility of good judgement. You deserve the accusations and stigma from that.

He has 100%, on camera, admitted that he's slept in the same bed as little boys.

Yeah, he shared a bed with boys. With the kid who described his dick, there was an entire month of it (plus other occassions). That was not in dispute.

He may not have handled up on Feldman. MJ was clearly very careful in a lot of ways, so maybe he was just careful not to cross the line with Feldman given he was a celebrity himself. Or maybe Corey did so many drugs as a kid he's burned it out of his memory. But maybe he was the gateway kid where there are things he thought about doing with Feldman but waited until he had a kid (and family) he could control to actually do it. Like Sandusky, these guys figure out how to get close to kids, but it's typically the kids who they can control the most that are actually victimized.

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The more information that I've continued to see, I don't believe that he is a pedo. I think the opposite actually. I believe that he was trying to save the kids from the sick Hollywood pedo ring that has been going on for a very long time. They didn't like that and they set him up and changed the narrative on him. If you listen to some of his later songs, the lyrcis speak for themselves.

See Mel Gibson, Cory Feldman, etc.....all of these people speak out and try to expose this stuff and get ostracized. With MJ, he was too big to be silenced, so they had to have him killed. Same with Princess Diana. I know that I will likely be called a conspiracy theorist, but I really don't care.

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The more I see posts like this, the more I believe that if Epstein was one of the best musicians of all time he would never have been caught.

MJ admitted to sharing beds with kids, was proven to look at graphic porn with kids, and had about a hundred red flags that would raise alarm in any rational person. Now it's a widely known fact that Hollywood has had pedo rings for a long, long time, and somehow that makes this person less guilty? If anything it shows that all those accusations weren't as far-fetched as people thought and debauchery of that level is absolutely obtainable for a megastar like Michael Jackson.

At best (if you can call it that) he was abused as a child, abused children as an adult, and was both a victim and a predator throughout his life.

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What in the hell are you talking about?

Hollywood can have pedos AND Michael Jackson can be a pedo. Both can be and are true.

What kind of deranged brain would insist otherwise?

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Well the OP stated this,...

[quote} In light of that, I still don't know if he really is a pedophile.[/quote}

......which is what I responded to, and then you for whatever reason decided to chime in and call me a conspuracy theorist.


If you don't think that his death shortly thereafter wasn't an odd coincidence, then that is your opinion. You and I don't share the same opinion since I don't trust anyone in power or anyone in Hollywood. Especially in light of what is coming out now.

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The more information that I've continued to see, I don't believe that he is a pedo. I think the opposite actually. I believe that he was trying to save the kids from the sick Hollywood pedo ring that has been going on for a very long time. They didn't like that and they set him up and changed the narrative on him. If you listen to some of his later songs, the lyrics speak for themselves.

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I can only think of this scene

Or maybe you guys can give this song a listen....