Catholic VP Vance: Catholic Bishops concerned about bottom line

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Martin Q. Blank
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Yesterday, the resident atheist was concerned that the government is not heeding the council of Catholic bishops. Today, he's upset that the government pulled funding from Catholic charities. He's going to be a card carrying Christian Nationalist by the end of the week.
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Martin Q. Blank said:

Yesterday, the resident atheist was concerned that the government is not heeding the council of Catholic bishops. Today, he's upset that the government pulled funding from Catholic charities. He's going to be a card carrying Christian Nationalist by the end of the week.
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747Ag said:

Sapper Redux said:

Scoopen Skwert said:

Sapper Redux said:

You realize how many people this has the potential to harm?
And yet I still have no Fs to give!!!

Evil needs to be fought. Even when it comes from a church.

The innocent people who rely on charities and government services are evil?

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/28/trump-omb-funding-cuts-00200998
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Leavitt insisted that the freeze would not affect federal assistance that goes directly to individuals, such as Social Security benefits and food aid.

But she would not directly answer whether other social service programs that serve people indirectly such as Meals on Wheels and Medicaid would be affected. She dismissed reports of widespread confusion over the scope and impact of the White House order in the wake of its release late on Monday.

This is supposedly the list of programs whose funds are frozen: https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000194-ad9c-de9c-a5b6-efbd29400000

Didn't find Meals on Wheels (1 search hit for "meal").

9 hits for Medicaid. But not overall Medicaid program.


Every Medicaid state program was locked today and the Meals on Wheels administrators say that the way the order is worded does affect them. This is clearly a case of seeking to punish and cleaning up after the fact.
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Martin Q. Blank said:

Yesterday, the resident atheist was concerned that the government is not heeding the council of Catholic bishops. Today, he's upset that the government pulled funding from Catholic charities. He's going to be a card carrying Christian Nationalist by the end of the week.


I've never said that certain Christian charities and groups aren't important and helpful. I don't particularly care where the aid comes from if it's freely given and serves a need. I'm not surprised that you have to divide the world into camps whose lines never overlap.
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From Bishop Mark J. Seitz of El Paso, TX:

"The Catholic Church is committed to defending the sanctity of every human life and the God-given dignity of each person, regardless of nationality or immigration status. Church teaching recognizes a country's right and responsibility to promote public order, safety, and security through well-regulated borders and just limits on immigration. However, as shepherds, we cannot abide injustice, and we stress that national self-interest does not justify policies with consequences that are contrary to the moral law. The use of sweeping generalizations to denigrate any group, such as describing all undocumented immigrants as 'criminals' or 'invaders,' to deprive them of protection under the law, is an affront to God, who has created each of us in his own image. Pope Francis has stated, 'No one will ever openly deny that [migrants] are human beings, yet in practice, by our decisions and the way we treat them, we can show that we consider them less worthy, less important, less human. For Christians, this way of thinking and acting is unacceptable.'

While an emphasis on anti-trafficking is welcomed, several of the executive orders signed by President Trump this week are specifically intended to eviscerate humanitarian protections enshrined in federal law and undermine due process, subjecting vulnerable families and children to grave danger. The open-ended deployment of military assets to support civil immigration enforcement along the U.S.-Mexico border is especially concerning. Meanwhile, policies barring the consideration of any humanitarian claimsincluding those of unaccompanied children and trafficking victimshave repeatedly failed to reduce irregular migration in a legal, sustainable, and humane manner.

Preventing any access to asylum and other protections will only endanger those who are most vulnerable and deserving of relief, while empowering gangs and other predators to exploit them. Likewise, indefinitely halting refugee resettlement is unmerited, as it is already proven to be one of the most secure legal pathways to the United States. Even non-humanitarian legal immigration and naturalized persons are targeted by these policies in support of a so-called 'unified American identity.' Finally, the proposed interpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment to limit birthright citizenship sets a dangerous precedent, contradicting the Supreme Court's longstanding interpretation.

We urge President Trump to pivot from these enforcement-only policies to just and merciful solutions, working in good faith with members of Congress to achieve meaningful, bipartisan immigration reform that furthers the common good with an effective, orderly immigration system. My brother bishops and I will support this in any way we can, while continuing to accompany our immigrant brothers and sisters in accordance with the Gospel of Life."
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PabloSerna said:

From Bishop Mark J. Seitz of El Paso, TX:

"The Catholic Church is committed to defending the sanctity of every human life and the God-given dignity of each person, regardless of nationality or immigration status. Church teaching recognizes a country's right and responsibility to promote public order, safety, and security through well-regulated borders and just limits on immigration. However, as shepherds, we cannot abide injustice, and we stress that national self-interest does not justify policies with consequences that are contrary to the moral law. The use of sweeping generalizations to denigrate any group, such as describing all undocumented immigrants as 'criminals' or 'invaders,' to deprive them of protection under the law, is an affront to God, who has created each of us in his own image. Pope Francis has stated, 'No one will ever openly deny that [migrants] are human beings, yet in practice, by our decisions and the way we treat them, we can show that we consider them less worthy, less important, less human. For Christians, this way of thinking and acting is unacceptable.'

While an emphasis on anti-trafficking is welcomed, several of the executive orders signed by President Trump this week are specifically intended to eviscerate humanitarian protections enshrined in federal law and undermine due process, subjecting vulnerable families and children to grave danger. The open-ended deployment of military assets to support civil immigration enforcement along the U.S.-Mexico border is especially concerning. Meanwhile, policies barring the consideration of any humanitarian claimsincluding those of unaccompanied children and trafficking victimshave repeatedly failed to reduce irregular migration in a legal, sustainable, and humane manner.

Preventing any access to asylum and other protections will only endanger those who are most vulnerable and deserving of relief, while empowering gangs and other predators to exploit them. Likewise, indefinitely halting refugee resettlement is unmerited, as it is already proven to be one of the most secure legal pathways to the United States. Even non-humanitarian legal immigration and naturalized persons are targeted by these policies in support of a so-called 'unified American identity.' Finally, the proposed interpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment to limit birthright citizenship sets a dangerous precedent, contradicting the Supreme Court's longstanding interpretation.

We urge President Trump to pivot from these enforcement-only policies to just and merciful solutions, working in good faith with members of Congress to achieve meaningful, bipartisan immigration reform that furthers the common good with an effective, orderly immigration system. My brother bishops and I will support this in any way we can, while continuing to accompany our immigrant brothers and sisters in accordance with the Gospel of Life."


8 U.S. Code 1325 - Improper entry by alien

(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts

Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

The Bishop makes valid points. I would argue that the more we stop illegal immigrants from entering our country the more we can focus on addressing legitimate refigees who are escaping persecution.

But based on US law, people here inviolation of (a) above are subject to criminal penalties.
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FTACo88-FDT24dad said:

PabloSerna said:

From Bishop Mark J. Seitz of El Paso, TX:

"The Catholic Church is committed to defending the sanctity of every human life and the God-given dignity of each person, regardless of nationality or immigration status. Church teaching recognizes a country's right and responsibility to promote public order, safety, and security through well-regulated borders and just limits on immigration. However, as shepherds, we cannot abide injustice, and we stress that national self-interest does not justify policies with consequences that are contrary to the moral law. The use of sweeping generalizations to denigrate any group, such as describing all undocumented immigrants as 'criminals' or 'invaders,' to deprive them of protection under the law, is an affront to God, who has created each of us in his own image. Pope Francis has stated, 'No one will ever openly deny that [migrants] are human beings, yet in practice, by our decisions and the way we treat them, we can show that we consider them less worthy, less important, less human. For Christians, this way of thinking and acting is unacceptable.'

While an emphasis on anti-trafficking is welcomed, several of the executive orders signed by President Trump this week are specifically intended to eviscerate humanitarian protections enshrined in federal law and undermine due process, subjecting vulnerable families and children to grave danger. The open-ended deployment of military assets to support civil immigration enforcement along the U.S.-Mexico border is especially concerning. Meanwhile, policies barring the consideration of any humanitarian claimsincluding those of unaccompanied children and trafficking victimshave repeatedly failed to reduce irregular migration in a legal, sustainable, and humane manner.

Preventing any access to asylum and other protections will only endanger those who are most vulnerable and deserving of relief, while empowering gangs and other predators to exploit them. Likewise, indefinitely halting refugee resettlement is unmerited, as it is already proven to be one of the most secure legal pathways to the United States. Even non-humanitarian legal immigration and naturalized persons are targeted by these policies in support of a so-called 'unified American identity.' Finally, the proposed interpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment to limit birthright citizenship sets a dangerous precedent, contradicting the Supreme Court's longstanding interpretation.

We urge President Trump to pivot from these enforcement-only policies to just and merciful solutions, working in good faith with members of Congress to achieve meaningful, bipartisan immigration reform that furthers the common good with an effective, orderly immigration system. My brother bishops and I will support this in any way we can, while continuing to accompany our immigrant brothers and sisters in accordance with the Gospel of Life."


8 U.S. Code 1325 - Improper entry by alien

(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts

Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

The Bishop makes valid points. I would argue that the more we stop illegal immigrants from entering our country the more we can focus on addressing legitimate refugees who are escaping persecution.

But based on US law, people here in violation of (a) above are subject to criminal penalties.

Nice to see the bishop noting the rights and duties of the state. And while the immigrants have inalienable rights in virtue of their humanity, we would be remiss in not discussing their duties as well, such as respecting/obeying the laws of their prospective country. Rights and duties go hand in hand.

And here we have the rub in these conversations... Many neglect to include illegally crossing the border as a crime. The rhetoric tends to focus on the additional offenses, almost as if the initial offense doesn't count.
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WASHINGTON The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) issued the following statement on its long-time partnership with the federal government to serve refugees:

"Faithful to the teaching of Jesus Christ, the Catholic Church has a long history of serving refugees. In 1980, the bishops of the United States began partnering with the federal government to carry out this service when Congress created the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program (USRAP). Every person resettled through USRAP is vetted and approved for the program by the federal government while outside of the United States. In our agreements with the government, the USCCB receives funds to do this work; however, these funds are not sufficient to cover the entire cost of these programs. Nonetheless, this remains a work of mercy and ministry of the Church."

Read the facts about the Catholic Church's work with USRAP here

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PabloSerna said:

WASHINGTON The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) issued the following statement on its long-time partnership with the federal government to serve refugees:

"Faithful to the teaching of Jesus Christ, the Catholic Church has a long history of serving refugees. In 1980, the bishops of the United States began partnering with the federal government to carry out this service when Congress created the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program (USRAP). Every person resettled through USRAP is vetted and approved for the program by the federal government while outside of the United States. In our agreements with the government, the USCCB receives funds to do this work; however, these funds are not sufficient to cover the entire cost of these programs. Nonetheless, this remains a work of mercy and ministry of the Church."

Read the facts about the Catholic Church's work with USRAP here




Maybe I am dense, but yeah, and?
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The Marksman said:

JD Vance hit that one out of the park. The USCCB should stay out of politics and focus on their duty of shepherding the flock.

1. JD Vance took a humanitarian crisis and made a political statement.

2. The words of Jesus, "whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me." (Mt 25:40) is central to "shepherding the flock" as you point out.


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PabloSerna said:

The Marksman said:

JD Vance hit that one out of the park. The USCCB should stay out of politics and focus on their duty of shepherding the flock.

1. JD Vance took a humanitarian crisis and made a political statement.

2. The words of Jesus, "whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me." (Mt 25:40) is central to "shepherding the flock" as you point out.





You're as hyperbolic as anyone on the so-called right.
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PabloSerna said:

The Marksman said:

JD Vance hit that one out of the park. The USCCB should stay out of politics and focus on their duty of shepherding the flock.

1. JD Vance took a humanitarian crisis and made a political statement.

2. The words of Jesus, "whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me." (Mt 25:40) is central to "shepherding the flock" as you point out.





Bishops speaking out of both sides of their mouth. The immigration system as is, with the encouragement of Catholic charities, enriches cartels and predators more than a crackdown. It's nonsensical to say that the millions now being exploited and preyed upon are preferable to a sharp drop in that number.
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PabloSerna said:

From Bishop Mark J. Seitz of El Paso, TX:

"The Catholic Church is committed to defending the sanctity of every human life and the God-given dignity of each person, regardless of nationality or immigration status. Church teaching recognizes a country's right and responsibility to promote public order, safety, and security through well-regulated borders and just limits on immigration. However, as shepherds, we cannot abide injustice, and we stress that national self-interest does not justify policies with consequences that are contrary to the moral law. The use of sweeping generalizations to denigrate any group, such as describing all undocumented immigrants as 'criminals' or 'invaders,' to deprive them of protection under the law, is an affront to God, who has created each of us in his own image. Pope Francis has stated, 'No one will ever openly deny that [migrants] are human beings, yet in practice, by our decisions and the way we treat them, we can show that we consider them less worthy, less important, less human. For Christians, this way of thinking and acting is unacceptable.'

While an emphasis on anti-trafficking is welcomed, several of the executive orders signed by President Trump this week are specifically intended to eviscerate humanitarian protections enshrined in federal law and undermine due process, subjecting vulnerable families and children to grave danger. The open-ended deployment of military assets to support civil immigration enforcement along the U.S.-Mexico border is especially concerning. Meanwhile, policies barring the consideration of any humanitarian claimsincluding those of unaccompanied children and trafficking victimshave repeatedly failed to reduce irregular migration in a legal, sustainable, and humane manner.

Preventing any access to asylum and other protections will only endanger those who are most vulnerable and deserving of relief, while empowering gangs and other predators to exploit them. Likewise, indefinitely halting refugee resettlement is unmerited, as it is already proven to be one of the most secure legal pathways to the United States. Even non-humanitarian legal immigration and naturalized persons are targeted by these policies in support of a so-called 'unified American identity.' Finally, the proposed interpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment to limit birthright citizenship sets a dangerous precedent, contradicting the Supreme Court's longstanding interpretation.

We urge President Trump to pivot from these enforcement-only policies to just and merciful solutions, working in good faith with members of Congress to achieve meaningful, bipartisan immigration reform that furthers the common good with an effective, orderly immigration system. My brother bishops and I will support this in any way we can, while continuing to accompany our immigrant brothers and sisters in accordance with the Gospel of Life."


Fun fact. "IHS" actually means. I hate seitz
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Scoopen Skwert said:

PabloSerna said:

From Bishop Mark J. Seitz of El Paso, TX:

"The Catholic Church is committed to defending the sanctity of every human life and the God-given dignity of each person, regardless of nationality or immigration status. Church teaching recognizes a country's right and responsibility to promote public order, safety, and security through well-regulated borders and just limits on immigration. However, as shepherds, we cannot abide injustice, and we stress that national self-interest does not justify policies with consequences that are contrary to the moral law. The use of sweeping generalizations to denigrate any group, such as describing all undocumented immigrants as 'criminals' or 'invaders,' to deprive them of protection under the law, is an affront to God, who has created each of us in his own image. Pope Francis has stated, 'No one will ever openly deny that [migrants] are human beings, yet in practice, by our decisions and the way we treat them, we can show that we consider them less worthy, less important, less human. For Christians, this way of thinking and acting is unacceptable.'

While an emphasis on anti-trafficking is welcomed, several of the executive orders signed by President Trump this week are specifically intended to eviscerate humanitarian protections enshrined in federal law and undermine due process, subjecting vulnerable families and children to grave danger. The open-ended deployment of military assets to support civil immigration enforcement along the U.S.-Mexico border is especially concerning. Meanwhile, policies barring the consideration of any humanitarian claimsincluding those of unaccompanied children and trafficking victimshave repeatedly failed to reduce irregular migration in a legal, sustainable, and humane manner.

Preventing any access to asylum and other protections will only endanger those who are most vulnerable and deserving of relief, while empowering gangs and other predators to exploit them. Likewise, indefinitely halting refugee resettlement is unmerited, as it is already proven to be one of the most secure legal pathways to the United States. Even non-humanitarian legal immigration and naturalized persons are targeted by these policies in support of a so-called 'unified American identity.' Finally, the proposed interpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment to limit birthright citizenship sets a dangerous precedent, contradicting the Supreme Court's longstanding interpretation.

We urge President Trump to pivot from these enforcement-only policies to just and merciful solutions, working in good faith with members of Congress to achieve meaningful, bipartisan immigration reform that furthers the common good with an effective, orderly immigration system. My brother bishops and I will support this in any way we can, while continuing to accompany our immigrant brothers and sisters in accordance with the Gospel of Life."


Fun fact. "IHS" actually means. I hate seitz


Seitz sure is pontificating (pun intended) on US immigration policy instead of keeping his message to welcoming the poor. I didn't have to read much more when he used the word "asylum". GMAB

Those are very specific policies he's referencing and he has no business doing so.

Most alarming, he has no regard for the fact that most taxpayers are forced to fund these operations.

"Charities" no longer has meaning when govt funding is involved. WAY out of bounds here.

Perhaps Catholic Charities should be audited/investigated.
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I spot Catholic Charities RGV in this one, this am with a fresh problem.

At least Sister Pimental in McAllen is honest about it right now, unlike the organization's leadership.
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