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does Europe exist?

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Does Asia exist? Are you claiming there is one Asian culture?

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Are you arguing with yourself? Kinda weird man

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It's always easy to tell when you've been caught in a bull**** argument.

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Because you fought a strawman?

Your assumed arguments are a lot dumber than my actual ones.

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At least you admit your arguments are dumb.

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So American culture is white/anglo?

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I wouldn't narrow it down to just Anglo, but if you want to use White as a fill in for European, yes. American culture is broadly European.

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Except for much of our food, music, clothing, and sports, which is heavily influenced by African Americans… you know… the basics of culture.

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Is there something about the world "broadly" vs "totally" that is giving you issue?

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Broadly meaning what percentage? Given that you can't at all divorce African Americans from U.S. culture, how do you even claim it's a "European culture."

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How do you make a percentage of culture? How much is country western dancing's roots in the waltz measured against twerking?

Would it be accurate to say that American citizen's country of ancestry was broadly European throughout our history? Of course. Then how would our culture not be broadly European?

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"Broadly European." You realize the idea of Europe as a cohesive whole is something that has come around only in the last 30 years and is seriously contested?

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No I do not realize or agree with that.

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this is my thing w this whole culture thing.

I've yet for anyone to give me a specific description of what American culture is.

And most, like here, seem to have a very narrow (recent) view of what culture is and its influences.

Rather than beat around the bush, I firmly believe there is really no such thing as American culture (I think there are regional cultures). And you've pretty much come right out and said your view of Micah culture is white European. Which is incredibly narrow and silly, IMO.

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I think your investigation is half hearted. There's been an intentional push to distinguish culture from a greater American idea both by African Americans (in the 80s and 90s when ethnic naming became predominant, part of Jesse Jackson's movement) and Hispanics, who retain language, food and more intentionally. When people work to be different because they don't want to be similar to 'white' or 'westernized' culture it doesn't mean one doesn't exist, it means it's being rejected. That's why our country is Balkanized and facing this crisis. It's been smuggled in through universities (what other morons would come up with Latinx as a word), affirmative action, and diversity initiatives. The point is to undermine shared identity so that someone like you can say such things. There were cultural narratives and norms portrayed even in tv shows with shared assumptions about family structure and language. They don't exist now for sure.

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There's never been a singular American culture. There were daily newspapers in German until 1917. There were still Lutheran churches in Missouri conducting services in German until the 1990s and likely later. And Germans arrived in the U.S. in large numbers beginning in the 1840s. These are the European-est Europeans around and they didn't immediately just "blend in." Retaining aspects of culture from the "homeland" is older than the United States itself.

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Yet, here we are still offering the Holy Mass in Latin in 2025. The point isn't about nation qua nation. Or ethnos. But ecclesia. Church. Christendom. A broadly European culture being Catholic. Irish, Spanish, German, Italian, French, etc coming together in a commonality of faith, yet expressed in different ways particular to varying nationalities. Not ethnos, but ecclesia... the new and everlasting covenant.

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Remind me, does everyone follow the same theology in Christianity? Has it been a peaceful faith without major conflicts between adherents of different sects? Or are you papering over differences that existed for centuries and resulted in some heinous conflicts?

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Great to see you acknowledging the works of Satan throughout history. Soon, you'll be great Catholic.

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Is that what you took out of that? Not any recognition of how fragmented and violent Christianity has been throughout its history?

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So American culture is white/anglo?

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I wouldn't narrow it down to just Anglo, but if you want to use White as a fill in for European, yes. American culture is broadly European.

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Except for much of our food, music, clothing, and sports, which is heavily influenced by African Americans… you know… the basics of culture.

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Is there something about the world "broadly" vs "totally" that is giving you issue?

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Broadly meaning what percentage? Given that you can't at all divorce African Americans from U.S. culture, how do you even claim it's a "European culture."

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How do you make a percentage of culture? How much is country western dancing's roots in the waltz measured against twerking?

Would it be accurate to say that American citizen's country of ancestry was broadly European throughout our history? Of course. Then how would our culture not be broadly European?

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"Broadly European." You realize the idea of Europe as a cohesive whole is something that has come around only in the last 30 years and is seriously contested?

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No I do not realize or agree with that.

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this is my thing w this whole culture thing.

I've yet for anyone to give me a specific description of what American culture is.

And most, like here, seem to have a very narrow (recent) view of what culture is and its influences.

Rather than beat around the bush, I firmly believe there is really no such thing as American culture (I think there are regional cultures). And you've pretty much come right out and said your view of Micah culture is white European. Which is incredibly narrow and silly, IMO.

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I think your investigation is half hearted. There's been an intentional push to distinguish culture from a greater American idea both by African Americans (in the 80s and 90s when ethnic naming became predominant, part of Jesse Jackson's movement) and Hispanics, who retain language, food and more intentionally. When people work to be different because they don't want to be similar to 'white' or 'westernized' culture it doesn't mean one doesn't exist, it means it's being rejected. That's why our country is Balkanized and facing this crisis. It's been smuggled in through universities (what other morons would come up with Latinx as a word), affirmative action, and diversity initiatives. The point is to undermine shared identity so that someone like you can say such things. There were cultural narratives and norms portrayed even in tv shows with shared assumptions about family structure and language. They don't exist now for sure.

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There's never been a singular American culture. There were daily newspapers in German until 1917. There were still Lutheran churches in Missouri conducting services in German until the 1990s and likely later. And Germans arrived in the U.S. in large numbers beginning in the 1840s. These are the European-est Europeans around and they didn't immediately just "blend in." Retaining aspects of culture from the "homeland" is older than the United States itself.

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Arguing against our culture being broadly European by using the Germans as an example.

Brilliant

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The larger point is there is not such thing as "broadly European" because there is no unified notion of European and it minimizes the contributions of African, Hispanic, and Asian communities. The specific example is to point out that there has never been a unified American culture without ethnic distinctiveness even if you drill down to European communities with long ties to the United States. I'm sorry that's too complicated for you to grasp.

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Can you tell me what percentage of the American population was comprised of Hispanics, African-Americans, and Asians prior to 1965? I'll hold

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Do you base contributions purely on percentage of the population? Is the percentage of Black contribution to jazz or rock and roll around 13%? Are you claiming Hispanic contributions to, for example, the culture of Texas are measured solely by percentage of the population?

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So American culture is white/anglo?

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I wouldn't narrow it down to just Anglo, but if you want to use White as a fill in for European, yes. American culture is broadly European.

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Except for much of our food, music, clothing, and sports, which is heavily influenced by African Americans… you know… the basics of culture.

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Is there something about the world "broadly" vs "totally" that is giving you issue?

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Broadly meaning what percentage? Given that you can't at all divorce African Americans from U.S. culture, how do you even claim it's a "European culture."

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How do you make a percentage of culture? How much is country western dancing's roots in the waltz measured against twerking?

Would it be accurate to say that American citizen's country of ancestry was broadly European throughout our history? Of course. Then how would our culture not be broadly European?

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"Broadly European." You realize the idea of Europe as a cohesive whole is something that has come around only in the last 30 years and is seriously contested?

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No I do not realize or agree with that.

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this is my thing w this whole culture thing.

I've yet for anyone to give me a specific description of what American culture is.

And most, like here, seem to have a very narrow (recent) view of what culture is and its influences.

Rather than beat around the bush, I firmly believe there is really no such thing as American culture (I think there are regional cultures). And you've pretty much come right out and said your view of Micah culture is white European. Which is incredibly narrow and silly, IMO.

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I think your investigation is half hearted. There's been an intentional push to distinguish culture from a greater American idea both by African Americans (in the 80s and 90s when ethnic naming became predominant, part of Jesse Jackson's movement) and Hispanics, who retain language, food and more intentionally. When people work to be different because they don't want to be similar to 'white' or 'westernized' culture it doesn't mean one doesn't exist, it means it's being rejected. That's why our country is Balkanized and facing this crisis. It's been smuggled in through universities (what other morons would come up with Latinx as a word), affirmative action, and diversity initiatives. The point is to undermine shared identity so that someone like you can say such things. There were cultural narratives and norms portrayed even in tv shows with shared assumptions about family structure and language. They don't exist now for sure.

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There's never been a singular American culture. There were daily newspapers in German until 1917. There were still Lutheran churches in Missouri conducting services in German until the 1990s and likely later. And Germans arrived in the U.S. in large numbers beginning in the 1840s. These are the European-est Europeans around and they didn't immediately just "blend in." Retaining aspects of culture from the "homeland" is older than the United States itself.

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Arguing against our culture being broadly European by using the Germans as an example.

Brilliant

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The larger point is there is not such thing as "broadly European" because there is no unified notion of European and it minimizes the contributions of African, Hispanic, and Asian communities. The specific example is to point out that there has never been a unified American culture without ethnic distinctiveness even if you drill down to European communities with long ties to the United States. I'm sorry that's too complicated for you to grasp.

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Can you tell me what percentage of the American population was comprised of Hispanics, African-Americans, and Asians prior to 1965? I'll hold

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Do you base contributions purely on percentage of the population? Is the percentage of Black contribution to jazz or rock and roll around 13%? Are you claiming Hispanic contributions to, for example, the culture of Texas are measured solely by percentage of the population?

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Wow. Please do not teach my grand kids. And how racist can you be? Nobody thinks like that that I know.

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Which part is confusing you? The part where Quo is attempting to claim the contribution of non-Europeans to American culture is negligible because they were a minority of the population or the part where I'm mocking that attitude?

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So American culture is white/anglo?

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I wouldn't narrow it down to just Anglo, but if you want to use White as a fill in for European, yes. American culture is broadly European.

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Except for much of our food, music, clothing, and sports, which is heavily influenced by African Americans… you know… the basics of culture.

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Is there something about the world "broadly" vs "totally" that is giving you issue?

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Broadly meaning what percentage? Given that you can't at all divorce African Americans from U.S. culture, how do you even claim it's a "European culture."

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How do you make a percentage of culture? How much is country western dancing's roots in the waltz measured against twerking?

Would it be accurate to say that American citizen's country of ancestry was broadly European throughout our history? Of course. Then how would our culture not be broadly European?

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"Broadly European." You realize the idea of Europe as a cohesive whole is something that has come around only in the last 30 years and is seriously contested?

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No I do not realize or agree with that.

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this is my thing w this whole culture thing.

I've yet for anyone to give me a specific description of what American culture is.

And most, like here, seem to have a very narrow (recent) view of what culture is and its influences.

Rather than beat around the bush, I firmly believe there is really no such thing as American culture (I think there are regional cultures). And you've pretty much come right out and said your view of Micah culture is white European. Which is incredibly narrow and silly, IMO.

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I think your investigation is half hearted. There's been an intentional push to distinguish culture from a greater American idea both by African Americans (in the 80s and 90s when ethnic naming became predominant, part of Jesse Jackson's movement) and Hispanics, who retain language, food and more intentionally. When people work to be different because they don't want to be similar to 'white' or 'westernized' culture it doesn't mean one doesn't exist, it means it's being rejected. That's why our country is Balkanized and facing this crisis. It's been smuggled in through universities (what other morons would come up with Latinx as a word), affirmative action, and diversity initiatives. The point is to undermine shared identity so that someone like you can say such things. There were cultural narratives and norms portrayed even in tv shows with shared assumptions about family structure and language. They don't exist now for sure.

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There's never been a singular American culture. There were daily newspapers in German until 1917. There were still Lutheran churches in Missouri conducting services in German until the 1990s and likely later. And Germans arrived in the U.S. in large numbers beginning in the 1840s. These are the European-est Europeans around and they didn't immediately just "blend in." Retaining aspects of culture from the "homeland" is older than the United States itself.

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Arguing against our culture being broadly European by using the Germans as an example.

Brilliant

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The larger point is there is not such thing as "broadly European" because there is no unified notion of European and it minimizes the contributions of African, Hispanic, and Asian communities. The specific example is to point out that there has never been a unified American culture without ethnic distinctiveness even if you drill down to European communities with long ties to the United States. I'm sorry that's too complicated for you to grasp.

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Can you tell me what percentage of the American population was comprised of Hispanics, African-Americans, and Asians prior to 1965? I'll hold

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Do you base contributions purely on percentage of the population? Is the percentage of Black contribution to jazz or rock and roll around 13%? Are you claiming Hispanic contributions to, for example, the culture of Texas are measured solely by percentage of the population?

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Let's walk through this a little more, what is it about the inferiority of the culture of the 88% or so of the United States that was European, that lead to your claimed outsized impact of the other 12%?

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Why are you still assuming culture is a pie that must reflect the percentage of ancestry of a population? I don't think it's hard to recognize the significance of African American contributions to much of our culture. That doesn't have anything to do with the percentage of the population.

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So American culture is white/anglo?

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I wouldn't narrow it down to just Anglo, but if you want to use White as a fill in for European, yes. American culture is broadly European.

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Except for much of our food, music, clothing, and sports, which is heavily influenced by African Americans… you know… the basics of culture.

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Is there something about the world "broadly" vs "totally" that is giving you issue?

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Broadly meaning what percentage? Given that you can't at all divorce African Americans from U.S. culture, how do you even claim it's a "European culture."

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How do you make a percentage of culture? How much is country western dancing's roots in the waltz measured against twerking?

Would it be accurate to say that American citizen's country of ancestry was broadly European throughout our history? Of course. Then how would our culture not be broadly European?

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"Broadly European." You realize the idea of Europe as a cohesive whole is something that has come around only in the last 30 years and is seriously contested?

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No I do not realize or agree with that.

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this is my thing w this whole culture thing.

I've yet for anyone to give me a specific description of what American culture is.

And most, like here, seem to have a very narrow (recent) view of what culture is and its influences.

Rather than beat around the bush, I firmly believe there is really no such thing as American culture (I think there are regional cultures). And you've pretty much come right out and said your view of Micah culture is white European. Which is incredibly narrow and silly, IMO.

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I think your investigation is half hearted. There's been an intentional push to distinguish culture from a greater American idea both by African Americans (in the 80s and 90s when ethnic naming became predominant, part of Jesse Jackson's movement) and Hispanics, who retain language, food and more intentionally. When people work to be different because they don't want to be similar to 'white' or 'westernized' culture it doesn't mean one doesn't exist, it means it's being rejected. That's why our country is Balkanized and facing this crisis. It's been smuggled in through universities (what other morons would come up with Latinx as a word), affirmative action, and diversity initiatives. The point is to undermine shared identity so that someone like you can say such things. There were cultural narratives and norms portrayed even in tv shows with shared assumptions about family structure and language. They don't exist now for sure.

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There's never been a singular American culture. There were daily newspapers in German until 1917. There were still Lutheran churches in Missouri conducting services in German until the 1990s and likely later. And Germans arrived in the U.S. in large numbers beginning in the 1840s. These are the European-est Europeans around and they didn't immediately just "blend in." Retaining aspects of culture from the "homeland" is older than the United States itself.

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Arguing against our culture being broadly European by using the Germans as an example.

Brilliant

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The larger point is there is not such thing as "broadly European" because there is no unified notion of European and it minimizes the contributions of African, Hispanic, and Asian communities. The specific example is to point out that there has never been a unified American culture without ethnic distinctiveness even if you drill down to European communities with long ties to the United States. I'm sorry that's too complicated for you to grasp.

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Can you tell me what percentage of the American population was comprised of Hispanics, African-Americans, and Asians prior to 1965? I'll hold

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Do you base contributions purely on percentage of the population? Is the percentage of Black contribution to jazz or rock and roll around 13%? Are you claiming Hispanic contributions to, for example, the culture of Texas are measured solely by percentage of the population?

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Let's walk through this a little more, what is it about the inferiority of the culture of the 88% or so of the United States that was European, that lead to your claimed outsized impact of the other 12%?

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Why are you still assuming culture is a pie that must reflect the percentage of ancestry of a population? I don't think it's hard to recognize the significance of African American contributions to much of our culture. That doesn't have anything to do with the percentage of the population.

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That's what I'm asking, why is the African american contributions to culture so much more powerful than the European as to punch above its weight in terms of representation?

Also, which African culture? You made a very impassioned argument about Europe not having a broad culture, but Africa does?

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African American. I never claimed there was a singular African culture. African slaves came from multiple regions of the west coast of Africa and had to learn to work, speak, and live together. Creating a hybridized culture that varied significantly between regions through the early 18th century before becoming somewhat standardized as the internal slave trade became dominant.


Why do you think culture must reflect percentages in a population? Have you considered that maybe the music, food, and other forms of cultural expression created under great duress spoke to people more and had a vitality that was missing from other cultural expressions? Great uncertainty, stress, and suffering often bring out incredible artistic and cultural expressions.

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So American culture is white/anglo?

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I wouldn't narrow it down to just Anglo, but if you want to use White as a fill in for European, yes. American culture is broadly European.

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Except for much of our food, music, clothing, and sports, which is heavily influenced by African Americans… you know… the basics of culture.

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Is there something about the world "broadly" vs "totally" that is giving you issue?

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Broadly meaning what percentage? Given that you can't at all divorce African Americans from U.S. culture, how do you even claim it's a "European culture."

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How do you make a percentage of culture? How much is country western dancing's roots in the waltz measured against twerking?

Would it be accurate to say that American citizen's country of ancestry was broadly European throughout our history? Of course. Then how would our culture not be broadly European?

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"Broadly European." You realize the idea of Europe as a cohesive whole is something that has come around only in the last 30 years and is seriously contested?

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No I do not realize or agree with that.

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this is my thing w this whole culture thing.

I've yet for anyone to give me a specific description of what American culture is.

And most, like here, seem to have a very narrow (recent) view of what culture is and its influences.

Rather than beat around the bush, I firmly believe there is really no such thing as American culture (I think there are regional cultures). And you've pretty much come right out and said your view of Micah culture is white European. Which is incredibly narrow and silly, IMO.

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I think your investigation is half hearted. There's been an intentional push to distinguish culture from a greater American idea both by African Americans (in the 80s and 90s when ethnic naming became predominant, part of Jesse Jackson's movement) and Hispanics, who retain language, food and more intentionally. When people work to be different because they don't want to be similar to 'white' or 'westernized' culture it doesn't mean one doesn't exist, it means it's being rejected. That's why our country is Balkanized and facing this crisis. It's been smuggled in through universities (what other morons would come up with Latinx as a word), affirmative action, and diversity initiatives. The point is to undermine shared identity so that someone like you can say such things. There were cultural narratives and norms portrayed even in tv shows with shared assumptions about family structure and language. They don't exist now for sure.

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There's never been a singular American culture. There were daily newspapers in German until 1917. There were still Lutheran churches in Missouri conducting services in German until the 1990s and likely later. And Germans arrived in the U.S. in large numbers beginning in the 1840s. These are the European-est Europeans around and they didn't immediately just "blend in." Retaining aspects of culture from the "homeland" is older than the United States itself.

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Arguing against our culture being broadly European by using the Germans as an example.

Brilliant

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The larger point is there is not such thing as "broadly European" because there is no unified notion of European and it minimizes the contributions of African, Hispanic, and Asian communities. The specific example is to point out that there has never been a unified American culture without ethnic distinctiveness even if you drill down to European communities with long ties to the United States. I'm sorry that's too complicated for you to grasp.

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Can you tell me what percentage of the American population was comprised of Hispanics, African-Americans, and Asians prior to 1965? I'll hold

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Do you base contributions purely on percentage of the population? Is the percentage of Black contribution to jazz or rock and roll around 13%? Are you claiming Hispanic contributions to, for example, the culture of Texas are measured solely by percentage of the population?

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Let's walk through this a little more, what is it about the inferiority of the culture of the 88% or so of the United States that was European, that lead to your claimed outsized impact of the other 12%?

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Why are you still assuming culture is a pie that must reflect the percentage of ancestry of a population? I don't think it's hard to recognize the significance of African American contributions to much of our culture. That doesn't have anything to do with the percentage of the population.

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That's what I'm asking, why is the African american contributions to culture so much more powerful than the European as to punch above its weight in terms of representation?

Also, which African culture? You made a very impassioned argument about Europe not having a broad culture, but Africa does?

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African American. I never claimed there was a singular African culture. African slaves came from multiple regions of the west coast of Africa and had to learn to work, speak, and live together. Creating a hybridized culture that varied significantly between regions through the early 18th century before becoming somewhat standardized as the internal slave trade became dominant.


Why do you think culture must reflect percentages in a population? Have you considered that maybe the music, food, and other forms of cultural expression created under great duress spoke to people more and had a vitality that was missing from other cultural expressions? Great uncertainty, stress, and suffering often bring out incredible artistic and cultural expressions.

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Troll level: expert. You've successfully derailed the thread. Can we get back to the original topic? Vance was and is right.

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Agree. It gets tiresome to always have the topic hijacked to racial stuff.

Vance was half right, I will give you that. He continently left out grave circumstances in his ordo amoris.

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Speaking of Ordo Amaris, do any of you guys love your wife or kids as much as a stranger?

When you asked for your wife's hand in marriage did you promise to love her "as much as I love everyone else?"

I find this constant need to reinvent the wheel from the Catholic left/progressive wing so tiring.

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Well said.

Just read an article where they quote Sts Augustine and Aquinas. I don't see how VP Vance missed the mark.

I just began Summa Theologica and have not gotten that far yet.

I'm quoting Aquinas. Scroll up to a video that sheds some light on both sides. Augustine is frequently quoted but Aquinas' exception -not as much.

Let me get this straight- you are suggesting that the Catholic Charities were stealing money?

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Let me get this straight- you are suggesting that the Catholic Charities were stealing money?

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What do you think?

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Let me get this straight- you are suggesting that the Catholic Charities were stealing money?

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Absolutely yes and the diocese of Fort Worth is one of the worst.

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Let me get this straight- you are suggesting that the Catholic Charities were stealing money?

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What do you think?

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I think they are an easy target because of the work they do for the poor and marginalized.

The truth is probably not as nefarious as some might hope and they probably run close to a deficit most of the time, staff turnover from low pay, and neglected facilities from budget shortfalls. I don't know and I know many on here don't know. What we do know is that they provide a very needed service to help resettle documented migrants in our country as they move through the process of becoming US citizens.

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Let me get this straight- you are suggesting that the Catholic Charities were stealing money?

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What do you think?

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I think they are an easy target because of the work they do for the poor and marginalized.

The truth is probably not as nefarious as some might hope and they probably run close to a deficit most of the time, staff turnover from low pay, and neglected facilities from budget shortfalls. I don't know and I know many on here don't know. What we do know is that they provide a very needed service to help resettle documented migrants in our country as they move through the process of becoming US citizens.

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Here's what I know. Large, bureaucratic organizations suck at delivering services. In my opinion we need to stop sucking all of the money into DC so that communities can provide care at local levels. That has the best chance of resources being distributed charitably.

PabloSerna said:

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dermdoc said:

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PabloSerna said:

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Let me get this straight- you are suggesting that the Catholic Charities were stealing money?

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What do you think?

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I think they are an easy target because of the work they do for the poor and marginalized.

The truth is probably not as nefarious as some might hope and they probably run close to a deficit most of the time, staff turnover from low pay, and neglected facilities from budget shortfalls. I don't know and I know many on here don't know. What we do know is that they provide a very needed service to help resettle documented migrants in our country as they move through the process of becoming US citizens.

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I actually hope you are correct and there is no stealing.

What is a documented migrant? Did they enter the US illegally?

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PabloSerna said:

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dermdoc said:

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PabloSerna said:

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Let me get this straight- you are suggesting that the Catholic Charities were stealing money?

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What do you think?

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I think they are an easy target because of the work they do for the poor and marginalized.

The truth is probably not as nefarious as some might hope and they probably run close to a deficit most of the time, staff turnover from low pay, and neglected facilities from budget shortfalls. I don't know and I know many on here don't know. What we do know is that they provide a very needed service to help resettle documented migrants in our country as they move through the process of becoming US citizens.

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Here's what I know. Large, bureaucratic organizations suck at delivering services. In my opinion we need to stop sucking all of the money into DC so that communities can provide care at local levels. That has the best chance of resources being distributed charitably.

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Historically that provides more opportunities for fraud and results in an unequal distribution of services based on local biases.

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PabloSerna said:

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dermdoc said:

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PabloSerna said:

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Let me get this straight- you are suggesting that the Catholic Charities were stealing money?

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What do you think?

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I think they are an easy target because of the work they do for the poor and marginalized.

The truth is probably not as nefarious as some might hope and they probably run close to a deficit most of the time, staff turnover from low pay, and neglected facilities from budget shortfalls. I don't know and I know many on here don't know. What we do know is that they provide a very needed service to help resettle documented migrants in our country as they move through the process of becoming US citizens.

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I actually hope you are correct and there is no stealing.

What is a documented migrant? Did they enter the US illegally?

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Some yes, some no. From what I have read, they are "vetted and approved" by US officials and sent to resettlement NGOs like Catholic Charities for assistance. Some used a phone app to get documented and then make their way to the US prior to their court date. Most of this info is available on Catholic Charities website.

PabloSerna said:

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dermdoc said:

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PabloSerna said:

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dermdoc said:

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PabloSerna said:

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Let me get this straight- you are suggesting that the Catholic Charities were stealing money?

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What do you think?

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I think they are an easy target because of the work they do for the poor and marginalized.

The truth is probably not as nefarious as some might hope and they probably run close to a deficit most of the time, staff turnover from low pay, and neglected facilities from budget shortfalls. I don't know and I know many on here don't know. What we do know is that they provide a very needed service to help resettle documented migrants in our country as they move through the process of becoming US citizens.

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I actually hope you are correct and there is no stealing.

What is a documented migrant? Did they enter the US illegally?

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Some yes, some no. From what I have read, they are "vetted and approved" by US officials and sent to resettlement NGOs like Catholic Charities for assistance. Some used a phone app to get documented and then make their way to the US prior to their court date. Most of this info is available on Catholic Charities website.

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I personally do not want any aid going to illegal immigrants. It is not fair to those who are doing it the right way.

What about people seeking asylum trying to do it the right way?