BenFiasco14 said:
I work in an industry with a lot of Jews so the earth is shaking this morning in preparation for their upcoming Passover holiday and going dark.
Do you wish people "happy Passover"?
BenFiasco14 said:
I work in an industry with a lot of Jews so the earth is shaking this morning in preparation for their upcoming Passover holiday and going dark.
Do you wish people "happy Passover"?
Sapper Redux said:
Just seems like common courtesy. Why wouldn't you?
Howdy, it is me! said:Sapper Redux said:
Just seems like common courtesy. Why wouldn't you?
I don't know. I need to think on this more. I wouldn't go out of my way to offend or be rude but also, these other religious holy days aren't "happy" in my eyes. It's a sad reminder that they do not know the Savior.
dermdoc said:Howdy, it is me! said:Sapper Redux said:
Just seems like common courtesy. Why wouldn't you?
I don't know. I need to think on this more. I wouldn't go out of my way to offend or be rude but also, these other religious holy days aren't "happy" in my eyes. It's a sad reminder that they do not know the Savior.
So what do you think happens to them? To God's chosen people?
dermdoc said:Howdy, it is me! said:Sapper Redux said:
Just seems like common courtesy. Why wouldn't you?
I don't know. I need to think on this more. I wouldn't go out of my way to offend or be rude but also, these other religious holy days aren't "happy" in my eyes. It's a sad reminder that they do not know the Savior.
So what do you think happens to them? To God's chosen people?
PabloSerna said:
I can agree with you that salvation comes from Christ, however, what about those through no fault of their own, cannot make such choices? Are they damned to eternal hell? Cannot they seek God with a sincere heart and through God's grace live a good life and achieve eternal salvation?
Howdy, it is me! said:PabloSerna said:
I can agree with you that salvation comes from Christ, however, what about those through no fault of their own, cannot make such choices? Are they damned to eternal hell? Cannot they seek God with a sincere heart and through God's grace live a good life and achieve eternal salvation?
No, they cannot. Good life does not equal salvation.
Sapper Redux said:Howdy, it is me! said:PabloSerna said:
I can agree with you that salvation comes from Christ, however, what about those through no fault of their own, cannot make such choices? Are they damned to eternal hell? Cannot they seek God with a sincere heart and through God's grace live a good life and achieve eternal salvation?
No, they cannot. Good life does not equal salvation.
Truly one of the most mind-boggling, gross aspects of Christian theology.
Howdy, it is me! said:PabloSerna said:
I can agree with you that salvation comes from Christ, however, what about those through no fault of their own, cannot make such choices? Are they damned to eternal hell? Cannot they seek God with a sincere heart and through God's grace live a good life and achieve eternal salvation?
No, they cannot. Good life does not equal salvation.
kurt vonnegut said:Howdy, it is me! said:PabloSerna said:
I can agree with you that salvation comes from Christ, however, what about those through no fault of their own, cannot make such choices? Are they damned to eternal hell? Cannot they seek God with a sincere heart and through God's grace live a good life and achieve eternal salvation?
No, they cannot. Good life does not equal salvation.
Are you God? Do you speak for God? Or is this just what you believe about the nature of God?
There is a gut reaction to the post above for me which follows something like: How does this guy justify this level of sanctimony and arrogance that he feels he can so casually condemn people to Hell for being born into a culture with different presuppositions and beliefs than his own? I don't see this as a criticism of Christianity. I think its a criticism of religious traditions which gatekeep the unknowable with unearned and assumed infallibility.
I also believe that its a bad idea to make a judgement based on (9) words posted on an internet thread which is why I post the above as a 'gut reaction' to allow you to correct me.
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For the OP, I don't personally think its important for Christians to say Happy Passover or Happy Ramadan or visa versa. For me, intention matters. If your intent is to demonstrate respect and cordiality with coworkers, then I think that can be done without saying the words 'Happy Passover'. Ask your coworker about their plans, tell them to enjoy the time with their family, whatever. . . I think that its possible to be genuine and respectful without saying something you may not be comfortable with.
Howdy, it is me! said:Sapper Redux said:Howdy, it is me! said:PabloSerna said:
I can agree with you that salvation comes from Christ, however, what about those through no fault of their own, cannot make such choices? Are they damned to eternal hell? Cannot they seek God with a sincere heart and through God's grace live a good life and achieve eternal salvation?
No, they cannot. Good life does not equal salvation.
Truly one of the most mind-boggling, gross aspects of Christian theology.
You only think that because you think you know what good is. But for believers, we understand only God is truly good. We understand the significant cost that was paid for us on the cross. A debt we could never pay ourselves. Salvation isn't possible without recognizing the need for a Savior in the first place.
Howdy, it is me! said:kurt vonnegut said:Howdy, it is me! said:PabloSerna said:
I can agree with you that salvation comes from Christ, however, what about those through no fault of their own, cannot make such choices? Are they damned to eternal hell? Cannot they seek God with a sincere heart and through God's grace live a good life and achieve eternal salvation?
No, they cannot. Good life does not equal salvation.
Are you God? Do you speak for God? Or is this just what you believe about the nature of God?
There is a gut reaction to the post above for me which follows something like: How does this guy justify this level of sanctimony and arrogance that he feels he can so casually condemn people to Hell for being born into a culture with different presuppositions and beliefs than his own? I don't see this as a criticism of Christianity. I think its a criticism of religious traditions which gatekeep the unknowable with unearned and assumed infallibility.
I also believe that its a bad idea to make a judgement based on (9) words posted on an internet thread which is why I post the above as a 'gut reaction' to allow you to correct me.
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For the OP, I don't personally think its important for Christians to say Happy Passover or Happy Ramadan or visa versa. For me, intention matters. If your intent is to demonstrate respect and cordiality with coworkers, then I think that can be done without saying the words 'Happy Passover'. Ask your coworker about their plans, tell them to enjoy the time with their family, whatever. . . I think that its possible to be genuine and respectful without saying something you may not be comfortable with.
Not sure I'm going to argue my faith on this thread as I'm not even sure how it came to this from my simple question. I've said nothing that isn't the very basic level of Christianity and where this discussion is headed is way off topic from the OP.
Howdy, it is me! said:Sapper Redux said:Howdy, it is me! said:PabloSerna said:
I can agree with you that salvation comes from Christ, however, what about those through no fault of their own, cannot make such choices? Are they damned to eternal hell? Cannot they seek God with a sincere heart and through God's grace live a good life and achieve eternal salvation?
No, they cannot. Good life does not equal salvation.
Truly one of the most mind-boggling, gross aspects of Christian theology.
You only think that because you think you know what good is. But for believers, we understand only God is truly good. We understand the significant cost that was paid for us on the cross. A debt we could never pay ourselves. Salvation isn't possible without recognizing the need for a Savior in the first place.
Sapper Redux said:Howdy, it is me! said:Sapper Redux said:Howdy, it is me! said:PabloSerna said:
I can agree with you that salvation comes from Christ, however, what about those through no fault of their own, cannot make such choices? Are they damned to eternal hell? Cannot they seek God with a sincere heart and through God's grace live a good life and achieve eternal salvation?
No, they cannot. Good life does not equal salvation.
Truly one of the most mind-boggling, gross aspects of Christian theology.
You only think that because you think you know what good is. But for believers, we understand only God is truly good. We understand the significant cost that was paid for us on the cross. A debt we could never pay ourselves. Salvation isn't possible without recognizing the need for a Savior in the first place.
A truly all-powerful and all-good deity would be capable of recognizing the fallibility of his creation and accepting them without eternal punishment for wrong-think.
10andBOUNCE said:Sapper Redux said:Howdy, it is me! said:Sapper Redux said:Howdy, it is me! said:PabloSerna said:
I can agree with you that salvation comes from Christ, however, what about those through no fault of their own, cannot make such choices? Are they damned to eternal hell? Cannot they seek God with a sincere heart and through God's grace live a good life and achieve eternal salvation?
No, they cannot. Good life does not equal salvation.
Truly one of the most mind-boggling, gross aspects of Christian theology.
You only think that because you think you know what good is. But for believers, we understand only God is truly good. We understand the significant cost that was paid for us on the cross. A debt we could never pay ourselves. Salvation isn't possible without recognizing the need for a Savior in the first place.
A truly all-powerful and all-good deity would be capable of recognizing the fallibility of his creation and accepting them without eternal punishment for wrong-think.
I don't think any of God's creation can dictate what a truly all-powerful and all-good deity is capable of.
Sapper Redux said:Howdy, it is me! said:PabloSerna said:
I can agree with you that salvation comes from Christ, however, what about those through no fault of their own, cannot make such choices? Are they damned to eternal hell? Cannot they seek God with a sincere heart and through God's grace live a good life and achieve eternal salvation?
No, they cannot. Good life does not equal salvation.
Truly one of the most mind-boggling, gross aspects of Christian theology.
Howdy, it is me! said:PabloSerna said:
I can agree with you that salvation comes from Christ, however, what about those through no fault of their own, cannot make such choices? Are they damned to eternal hell? Cannot they seek God with a sincere heart and through God's grace live a good life and achieve eternal salvation?
No, they cannot. Good life does not equal salvation.
PabloSerna said:Sapper Redux said:Howdy, it is me! said:PabloSerna said:
I can agree with you that salvation comes from Christ, however, what about those through no fault of their own, cannot make such choices? Are they damned to eternal hell? Cannot they seek God with a sincere heart and through God's grace live a good life and achieve eternal salvation?
No, they cannot. Good life does not equal salvation.
Truly one of the most mind-boggling, gross aspects of Christian theology.
Please Don't lump 1 billion Catholics in that category. We believe that only God knows the heart and there is salvation for those who have never heard the good news.
Howdy, it is me! said:PabloSerna said:Sapper Redux said:Howdy, it is me! said:PabloSerna said:
I can agree with you that salvation comes from Christ, however, what about those through no fault of their own, cannot make such choices? Are they damned to eternal hell? Cannot they seek God with a sincere heart and through God's grace live a good life and achieve eternal salvation?
No, they cannot. Good life does not equal salvation.
Truly one of the most mind-boggling, gross aspects of Christian theology.
Please Don't lump 1 billion Catholics in that category. We believe that only God knows the heart and there is salvation for those who have never heard the good news.
How could a religious Jew claim to have not heard the gospel? They know exactly who Jesus is yet deny Him.
10andBOUNCE said:Sapper Redux said:Howdy, it is me! said:Sapper Redux said:Howdy, it is me! said:PabloSerna said:
I can agree with you that salvation comes from Christ, however, what about those through no fault of their own, cannot make such choices? Are they damned to eternal hell? Cannot they seek God with a sincere heart and through God's grace live a good life and achieve eternal salvation?
No, they cannot. Good life does not equal salvation.
Truly one of the most mind-boggling, gross aspects of Christian theology.
You only think that because you think you know what good is. But for believers, we understand only God is truly good. We understand the significant cost that was paid for us on the cross. A debt we could never pay ourselves. Salvation isn't possible without recognizing the need for a Savior in the first place.
A truly all-powerful and all-good deity would be capable of recognizing the fallibility of his creation and accepting them without eternal punishment for wrong-think.
I don't think any of God's creation can dictate what a truly all-powerful and all-good deity is capable of.
Howdy, it is me! said:PabloSerna said:Sapper Redux said:Howdy, it is me! said:PabloSerna said:
I can agree with you that salvation comes from Christ, however, what about those through no fault of their own, cannot make such choices? Are they damned to eternal hell? Cannot they seek God with a sincere heart and through God's grace live a good life and achieve eternal salvation?
No, they cannot. Good life does not equal salvation.
Truly one of the most mind-boggling, gross aspects of Christian theology.
Please Don't lump 1 billion Catholics in that category. We believe that only God knows the heart and there is salvation for those who have never heard the good news.
How could a religious Jew claim to have not heard the gospel? They know exactly who Jesus is yet deny Him.
dermdoc said:Howdy, it is me! said:PabloSerna said:Sapper Redux said:Howdy, it is me! said:PabloSerna said:
I can agree with you that salvation comes from Christ, however, what about those through no fault of their own, cannot make such choices? Are they damned to eternal hell? Cannot they seek God with a sincere heart and through God's grace live a good life and achieve eternal salvation?
No, they cannot. Good life does not equal salvation.
Truly one of the most mind-boggling, gross aspects of Christian theology.
Please Don't lump 1 billion Catholics in that category. We believe that only God knows the heart and there is salvation for those who have never heard the good news.
How could a religious Jew claim to have not heard the gospel? They know exactly who Jesus is yet deny Him.
What if they are of the elect? And you and they don't know it?
Howdy, it is me! said:dermdoc said:Howdy, it is me! said:PabloSerna said:Sapper Redux said:Howdy, it is me! said:PabloSerna said:
I can agree with you that salvation comes from Christ, however, what about those through no fault of their own, cannot make such choices? Are they damned to eternal hell? Cannot they seek God with a sincere heart and through God's grace live a good life and achieve eternal salvation?
No, they cannot. Good life does not equal salvation.
Truly one of the most mind-boggling, gross aspects of Christian theology.
Please Don't lump 1 billion Catholics in that category. We believe that only God knows the heart and there is salvation for those who have never heard the good news.
How could a religious Jew claim to have not heard the gospel? They know exactly who Jesus is yet deny Him.
What if they are of the elect? And you and they don't know it?
I don't really understand your question. I was asking whether or not Christians say "Happy ____" to other religions. You wouldn't say these things to another Christian (a saved believer).
dermdoc said:Howdy, it is me! said:dermdoc said:Howdy, it is me! said:PabloSerna said:Sapper Redux said:Howdy, it is me! said:PabloSerna said:
I can agree with you that salvation comes from Christ, however, what about those through no fault of their own, cannot make such choices? Are they damned to eternal hell? Cannot they seek God with a sincere heart and through God's grace live a good life and achieve eternal salvation?
No, they cannot. Good life does not equal salvation.
Truly one of the most mind-boggling, gross aspects of Christian theology.
Please Don't lump 1 billion Catholics in that category. We believe that only God knows the heart and there is salvation for those who have never heard the good news.
How could a religious Jew claim to have not heard the gospel? They know exactly who Jesus is yet deny Him.
What if they are of the elect? And you and they don't know it?
I don't really understand your question. I was asking whether or not Christians say "Happy ____" to other religions. You wouldn't say these things to another Christian (a saved believer).
I have before. I just find it curious that the "elect" seem to be concentrated in Christian countries. I would think a loving God would have elected more in non Christian countries.
And since in your theology only God knows who the elect are, how do you know some of the Jews are not of the elect? And I have seen Jews exhibit fruits of the Spirit. And professing Christians who don't. My rich office manager close friend who stole over a million bucks from me was all into talking with me about her new Christian walk.
