As regards the lay faithful, those who formally adhere to the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X are to be considered schismatic and excommunicated.

— Vatican News (@VaticanNews) July 2, 2026

Looks like they're making this official very quickly. Hopefully the tantrum will be ended quickly before more souls are endangered.

I don't know of that true about th bishops. Bishop Olson here in Fort Worth has been open to the Tridentine Mass, as long as it was being done within the rules.

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I don't know of that true about the bishops. Bishop Olson here in Fort Worth has been open to the Tridentine Mass, as long as it was being done within the rules.

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Case by case basis regarding the bishops/dioceses. However, we can't know for sure what things would be like without the SSPX doing what they did yesterday as well as in 1988. We can merely speculate. In my diocese, we have a priest retiring from the Archdiocese of Washington DC and coming to my parish to take on much of the TLM responsibilities. Cardinal McElroy (from what I've observed) is more hostile than my bishop to the TLM and traditional pieties.

In the wake of Traditiones Custodes, Cardinal Cupich went hard against the ICKSP while another midwest bishop (forget the name) converted the TLM parish to an oratory to preserve their basic operation while keeping in line with the motu proprio.

Charlotte... see how the previous bishop governed compared to their current bishop (+Martin).

Case by case.

Oh well. Play with matches …

Now do Germany

So are you guys going now go to SSPX chapels going to leave?

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Oh well. Play with matches …

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Or the Bishop of Detroit talking about a mosque"There is no place where I feel more respect, fraternity, and kindness,"

But we will never see that. Muslims and Protestants will always be the one they choose to "dialogue" with while the Catholics who believe what the Church have always believed get kicked to the curb.

Again I know Leo had to do this. But the complete double standard isn't lost on me

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Complimenting a mosque is the same as openly defying church leadership?

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Oh well. Play with matches …

Now do Germany

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Or the Bishop of Detroit talking about a mosque"There is no place where I feel more respect, fraternity, and kindness,"

But we will never see that. Muslims and Protestants will always be the one they choose to "dialogue" with while the Catholics who believe what the Church have always believed get kicked to the curb.

Again I know Leo had to do this. But the complete double standard isn't lost on me

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Complimenting a mosque is the same as openly defying church leadership?

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Yes a Catholic successor of the Apostles strutting around a mosque saying the following is just as bad as what the SSPX did. Nothing will happen to him though

"All churches, all mosques, all synagogues, all places where God reaches out and touches with his finger are sacred.

This is a truly wonderful and sacred place, a place that will bring all of humanity, I believe, into a deeper communion with our one God."

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So are you guys going now go to SSPX chapels going to leave?

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Yes, I'll just stop going to mass there

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Oh well. Play with matches …

Now do Germany

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Or the Bishop of Detroit talking about a mosque"There is no place where I feel more respect, fraternity, and kindness,"

But we will never see that. Muslims and Protestants will always be the one they choose to "dialogue" with while the Catholics who believe what the Church have always believed get kicked to the curb.

Again I know Leo had to do this. But the complete double standard isn't lost on me

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Complimenting a mosque is the same as openly defying church leadership?

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Yes a Catholic successor of the Apostles strutting around a mosque saying the following is just as bad as what the SSPX did. Nothing will happen to him though


"All churches, all mosques, all synagogues, all places where God reaches out and touches with his finger are sacred.

This is a truly wonderful and sacred place, a place that will bring all of humanity, I believe, into a deeper communion with our one God."

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This is almost verbatim from Vatican II

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This is all very sad, but everyone knew it was coming. No matter how many concessions the Vatican has made to this Order, they simply cannot embrace all the teachings of our Holy Church. Once again, they will suffer excommunication and separation from the church Christ founded on Earth.

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What teachings of Holy Church do they not embrace?

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If you are blind, I can't convince you what something looks like.

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I see (pun intended). A serious allegation has been made with nothing to back it up. Just a "if you don't know, I'm not telling you" sort of missive.

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See it now?

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What? These guys in the thread? Hardly an attitude unique to SSPX-attached people. I've seen such criticisms from diocesan clergy, Byzantine Catholics, FSSP-attached Catholics, and diocesan Catholics... both forms. But SSPX is the worst and Vatican II is the super-dogma that can't be questioned. Someone better get Bishop Schneider in line.

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This is all very sad, but everyone knew it was coming. No matter how many concessions the Vatican has made to this Order, they simply cannot embrace all the teachings of our Holy Church. Once again, they will suffer excommunication and separation from the church Christ founded on Earth.

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What teachings of Holy Church do they not embrace?

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If you are blind, I can't convince you what something looks like.

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I see (pun intended). A serious allegation has been made with nothing to back it up. Just a "if you don't know, I'm not telling you" sort of missive.

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See it now?

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All that has happened to most of us who attend SSPX churches frequently, is that instead of 50% SSPX attendance, 33% FSSP attendance, and 16% ordinary form; we'll just go to the FSSP mass 83%, while still wholeheartedly disagreeing with the nonsense that came out of Vatican II.

More Excommunication Updates:

The Vatican has now sent detailed instructions to bishops worldwide outlining how priests and lay faithful who choose to leave the SSPX can return to full communion with the Catholic Church even though they still want to maintain Traditional Latin… pic.twitter.com/X4WdpXRFEk

— Ojike Uzoma (@Xtopher_Uzo) July 2, 2026

On full acceptance of Vatican II...

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More Excommunication Updates:

The Vatican has now sent detailed instructions to bishops worldwide outlining how priests and lay faithful who choose to leave the SSPX can return to full communion with the Catholic Church even though they still want to maintain Traditional Latin… pic.twitter.com/X4WdpXRFEk

— Ojike Uzoma (@Xtopher_Uzo) July 2, 2026

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1. They must accept:
the authority of the Pope;
the teachings of the second Vatican council;
the Church's Magisterium as explained in Lumen Gentium 25;
the validity and legitimacy of the Novus Ordo Missae (Mass of St. Paul VI);
and the current Code of Canon Law.

2. They must find a diocesan bishop or another competent Ordinary willing to receive them ad experimentum (on a probationary basis).

3. They must write a personal, handwritten letter to the Holy Father requesting the remission of the censures they incurred.

4. They must submit their priestly ordination certificate.

5. They must sign and submit the Profession of Faith and the Formula of Adherence, pledging fidelity to the Pope and undertaking not to publicly oppose his Magisterium.

6. They may remain attached to the Traditional Latin Mass. Acceptance of Vatican II and the legitimacy of the Novus Ordo does not require abandoning the ancient Roman Rite.

7. Once approved by the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, they will undergo a probationary period of one to three years, after which they may be permanently incardinated into a diocese or institute.

I see the Pope is gonna Pope.

Anyone want to learn about Orthodoxy? You're already halfway there with no Pope, just going to have to correct a few minor things about the Holy Spirit, original sin, Mary's presumption into heaven, fasting for more than just fish on fridays, confessing to a guy not in a box, and undoing some legally inspired teachings about atonement, treasury of merit, and forgiveness of sins.

But seriously, Liturgy's at 10. You'll love it.

Perhaps if Our Blessed Lord or His Mother specifically tells me...

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I think one of the main reasons why some Catholics are shocked by the SSPX excommunications is because in our current day, ecclesial punishment seems to go only one way. Yes, the consecrations against papal approval were a schismatic act, and the punishment is deserved.

But this… https://t.co/PsJwdj9Uj2 pic.twitter.com/pk6HI4MQKQ

— John A. Monaco (@johnamonaco) July 2, 2026

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I agree that all those are pretty terrible and should be punished.

As well as the SSPX ordaining bishops.

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Is the German Church consecrating bishops without papal approval? Apples to oranges.

Marshall has a good analysis...

https://www.youtube.com/live/dym2f9RYFPI?si=XXISezCib1l9ItFW

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Is the German Church consecrating bishops without papal approval? Apples to oranges.

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Hey, whataboutisms is all they got.

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Now do Germany

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Or the Bishop of Detroit talking about a mosque"There is no place where I feel more respect, fraternity, and kindness,"

But we will never see that. Muslims and Protestants will always be the one they choose to "dialogue" with while the Catholics who believe what the Church have always believed get kicked to the curb.

Again I know Leo had to do this. But the complete double standard isn't lost on me

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Complimenting a mosque is the same as openly defying church leadership?

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Yes a Catholic successor of the Apostles strutting around a mosque saying the following is just as bad as what the SSPX did. Nothing will happen to him though


"All churches, all mosques, all synagogues, all places where God reaches out and touches with his finger are sacred.

This is a truly wonderful and sacred place, a place that will bring all of humanity, I believe, into a deeper communion with our one God."

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This is almost verbatim from Vatican II

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Maybe you see why the SSPX has some issues with it then? What's the point of being Catholic if you can just go get your dose of sacredness from the mosque or your local Protestant church without all the rules?

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There is a huge difference- "a ray of truth" or "touched" by God is not the "fullness" of truth. Recommend reading that part before passing judgement.

Never miss a chance to sheep steal eh?

Yes

"A majority of bishops would close their parishes if they weren't worried about parishioners defecting to the SSPX"

I highly doubt that. It is not a numbers game. It is all about apostolic authority. SSPX rejects that part of the creed and have separated themselves (those 6 so far).

As much as I struggle with parts of the Catechism, I can't imagine even thinking about leaving the church by rejecting the pope. This has happened before and that is why it is important to keep the Bishop of Rome as the pope. Vatican I (c.1868) underscored this tenant.

Not worried whether you take me seriously or not. Just that you like to spin things that have absolutely no connection to each other.

The only thing orthodoxy is missing is evangelical carnival barking. I intend to fill that role.