Jeffrey Epstein Arrested For Sex Trafficking of Minors

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biobioprof said:

Am I the only one who thinks this is the least surprising headline so far?


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The most voluminous document about Epstein in the Paradise Papers is a 541-page document detailing Liquid Funding Ltd., a company that was innovative for its time in trying ways to broaden the kind of debt that accepted on repurchase, or repo market. These involve a lender giving a borrower cash in exchange for securities that the borrower will buy back at an agreed upon date for a fixed price.
This is telling that Epstein may have been a conduit for financing. While there's nothing wrong with repos and similar OTC derivatives per se, I could see situations where a fund like Epstein's would be used to finance special projects and harvest gains/loses for preferred relationships. Not saying any of that happened and not sure how Epstein fit into the team at Bear but I find that piece of info interesting and could be a nice source of income.
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The guy was brilliant, no question about that. If he hadn't been a pervy sex addict have to wonder how much good he might have accomplished.
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aggiehawg said:

The guy was brilliant, no question about that. If he hadn't been a pervy sex addict have to wonder how much good he might have accomplished.


Most brilliant people aren't billionaires. That comes from an edge. His edge was corruption.
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cbr said:

aggiehawg said:

The guy was brilliant, no question about that. If he hadn't been a pervy sex addict have to wonder how much good he might have accomplished.


Most brilliant people aren't billionaires. That comes from an edge. His edge was corruption.
I'm not even sure corruption sums it up. He seems more like a facilitator and discreet handler of special personal interests. He's one of those guys whose primary function was to know important people, their needs and desires, and then bringing people together for current and future deal making. And my guess is that facilitating the requests of the important people, no matter how crazy or illegal, was relatively easy compared to his own desire for young girls.
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tysker said:

cbr said:

aggiehawg said:

The guy was brilliant, no question about that. If he hadn't been a pervy sex addict have to wonder how much good he might have accomplished.


Most brilliant people aren't billionaires. That comes from an edge. His edge was corruption.
I'm not even sure corruption sums it up. He seems more like a facilitator and discreet handler of special personal interests. He's one of those guys whose primary function was to know important people, their needs and desires, and then bringing people together for current and future deal making. And my guess is that facilitating the requests of the important people, no matter how crazy or illegal, was relatively easy compared to his own desire for young girls.
I think its going to boil down to the fact that he was one of the blackmail club facilitators - if you wanted a position of power in hollywood, dc, the media, or even some bug texh and fortune 500 roles, you had to join the club.
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Hhmm. Criminal lawyer specializing in white collar crime?
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biobioprof said:

aggiehawg said:

Sounds to me like Judge Berman is not too troubled by the double jeopardy argument...yet.
I was under the impression from the legal twitterverse that double jeopardy only applied to crimes that were actually prosecuted. And there was the recent SCOTUS case about how Fed and State charges for the same crime did not constitute double jeopardy. That was where Gorsuch joined the libs in dissent, IIRC.

But it will be interesting to see what Berman said given this:

In other words, how can jeopardy attack if the defendant was never in jeopardy?

By prosecuting him on the very narrow grounds that they did, was he ever in legal jeopardy on the other charges?
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In other words, how can jeopardy attack if the defendant was never in jeopardy?

By prosecuting him on the very narrow grounds that they did, was he ever in legal jeopardy on the other charges?
The legal argument goes that the non-prosecution agreement is actually a conditional grant of immunity from federal prosecution.

Has some legs to it but the question then becomes what were the conditions and did Epstein fulfill them? Also could the SDFla bind the SDNY for crimes committed within their jurisdiction without the SDNY also being a part of the agreement?

Kind of unclear here.
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aggiehawg said:

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In other words, how can jeopardy attack if the defendant was never in jeopardy?

By prosecuting him on the very narrow grounds that they did, was he ever in legal jeopardy on the other charges?
The legal argument goes that the non-prosecution agreement is actually a conditional grant of immunity from federal prosecution.

Has some legs to it but the question then becomes what were the conditions and did Epstein fulfill them? Also could the SDFla bind the SDNY for crimes committed within their jurisdiction without the SDNY also being a part of the agreement?

Kind of unclear here.
That seems reasonable.

I think that I was co-mingling NPA with double jeopardy.
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I think that I was co-mingling NPA with double jeopardy.
You are excellent company then because Andy McCarthy has espoused the double jeopardy view of the NPA. I am not sure I completely agree with him though. His reading the recent SCOTUS decision, Gamble only addressed two sovereigns, one state and one federal in swatting down the double jeopardy argument. McCarthy argues that since both SDFla and SDNY are federal, that double jeopardy attached.

My analysis is more jurisdictional. The SDFla can't prosecute cases where the crimes are committed outside of their jurisdiction as a general rule. Conversely, they can't grant a binding immunity agreement for conduct outside of the jurisdiction either. That's my take.
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I think that I was co-mingling NPA with double jeopardy.
You are excellent company then because Andy McCarthy has espoused the double jeopardy view of the NPA. I am not sure I completely agree with him though. His reading the recent SCOTUS decision, Gamble only addressed two sovereigns, one state and one federal in swatting down the double jeopardy argument. McCarthy argues that since both SDFla and SDNY are federal, that double jeopardy attached.

My analysis is more jurisdictional. The SDFla can't prosecute cases where the crimes are committed outside of their jurisdiction as a general rule. Conversely, they can't grant a binding immunity agreement for conduct outside of the jurisdiction either. That's my take.
I dont see how it could be binding for crimes committed outside SDFla's jrd. Otherwise, jurisdiction would be meaningless and a federal crime could be prosecuted (or not prosecuted) by any AG, in any state, in any jurisdiction.

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you would think that if they found child porn at his house, that would automatically void his non-prosecute agreement. Even if the photos are old, the mere possession of them should be a violation
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I dont see how it could be binding for crimes committed outside SDFla's jrd. Otherwise, jurisdiction would be meaningless and a federal crime could be prosecuted (or not prosecuted) by any AG, in any state, in any jurisdiction.
Neither do I. I think Andy McCarthy went down a rabbit hole with this one. I equate a NPA more to a plea deal with strings attached. Don't pull all of the strings required? Deal goes away.

It's not the same as an immunity agreement which is generally for the purposes of obtaining testimony against others. Epstein gave some dirt on Bear, Stearns, it would appear but that cooperation wasn't the only requirement specified in the NPA.

Normally I find McCarthy's analysis very persuasive but not this time.
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TexasAggie_02 said:

you would think that if they found child porn at his house, that would automatically void his non-prosecute agreement. Even if the photos are old, the mere possession of them should be a violation
Agree. He missed check-in dates as well which are separate crimes. His NPA could not and did not address future criminal conduct.
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Not now, but when the time is right, we should discuss Jeff Epstein's brother from another mother, Ron Burkle. WJC is drawn to these guys like magnet. What is it about luxury airliners, wealthy dudes in their 50-60s, and stables of 'youngish' phillies entertaining them?

The 'playboy billionaire' and 'Air **** One': Bill Clinton facing 'explosive' new sexual assault charges

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"Clinton helped Burkle generate business and flew around the world with a flock of beautiful young women on Burkle's private jet, which was nicknamed 'Air **** One'," the author claims.
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Was unfamiliar with Burkle. Looked him up. This is from his wiki

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Burkle has personally contributed millions of dollars to the Democratic Party and raised an estimated $100 million at celebrity-studded fundraising events he hosted for Democratic Party candidates at his Green Acres Estate in Beverly Hills, California. Burkle has hosted fundraisers for Bill and Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Cory Booker, and Terry McAuliffe, as well as former Republican California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, among others.

In January 2011, he hosted a fundraiser to support efforts to overturn Proposition 8, California's ban on same-sex marriage.

In 2004, Burkle helped finance the launch of Al Gore's Current TV, which was sold in January 2013 to Qatar-based cable-news channel Al Jazeera.
During Bill Clinton's presidency, Burkle was a key fundraiser and they became close friends.

In 2002, Burkle hired Clinton as a senior advisor on two Yucaipa domestic investment funds. Clinton invested in a Yucaipa global fund focused on foreign companies.

In an interview with The Wall Street Journal, then-U.S. Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY) expressed concern that such investments could be used by foreign governments as "instruments of foreign policy."

In 2009, Bill Clinton ended his relationship with Yucaipa due to potential conflicts of interest. Following "months" of negotiations, the two were not able to agree on a final payment for Clinton's advisory services, estimated at up to $20 million, and Clinton "walked away" from the potential payout.
Bill Clinton walked away from 20 million? Really?
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The only way Clinton walked away from that kind of cash is if more cash was made available to him elsewhere.
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schmellba99 said:

The only way Clinton walked away from that kind of cash is if more cash was made available to him elsewhere.
Or there were pictures and tapes and he had no choice--blackmail.

ETA: Note the date, 2009. Hillary was going to run again.
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https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6206430-Epstein-Berman-bail-7-18-19.html
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lock up this pedophile
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drcrinum said:



CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
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In Arkansas...hmm
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Eff thatno way they'll find anything with a Comey protege running the investigation.
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I thought she was a real estate agent?
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Too bad the Mueller report is over. Weissmann would have given Epstein immunity to slander Trump in a public hearing and half the country would excuse his behavior in exchange for a good Trump bashing.
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drcrinum said:





Looks like Linda's family already accepted that she was murdered by her friend....BUT not finding much. No motive, just gag orders and sealed records.

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Just to inject a little humor into this thread....

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Can't help but think that woman is being framed to railroaded. The victims family will agree with whatever they have to in order to keep the cash pay offs coming in or keep the black mail from going public. Bill ran billions of dollars of coke through Arkansas and Hillary sold out America more times than I can count, and both are satanic pedos.
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From Epstein case in the past.

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Its ACTUALLY happening. What a time to be alive.
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Palm Beach County launches investigation into its monitoring of Jeffrey Epstein on work release

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The Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office announced Friday that Sheriff Ric Bradshaw "ordered an Internal Affairs investigation into the Jeffrey Epstein matter," according to a statement.

"Sheriff Bradshaw takes these matters very seriously and wants to determine if any actions taken by the deputies assigned to monitor Epstein during his work release program violated any agency rules and regulations, during the time he was on PBSO work release program," the statement said.

"All aspects of the matter will be fully investigated to ensure total transparency and accountability," it continued.
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Pinche Abogado said:

Its ACTUALLY happening. What a time to be alive.

We'll see. Still a long ways to go.
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