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In reply to Kenneth_2003 • 2:18p, 10/13/24
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No thrusters on Starship. Pretty sure their going to have to flip butt first and light the raptors.


With no thrusters, how flip?
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In reply to nortex97 • 2:29p, 10/13/24
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That's the part of the vehicle that was still on fire after it was caught and everything shut down wasn't it?

Also... How far can you drive on the beaches down there in Mexico? Looks like it's a pretty good trek from the last road back to the river.
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In reply to nortex97 • 2:48p, 10/13/24
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tk for tu juan said:
Interesting. That clearly shows that chine on the right side in the picture had disintegrated prior to the touch down on the mechazilla arms, or any tower contact, I think. I was wondering about that.


I want a framed print of that pic for my office wall.
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In reply to Kenneth_2003 • 3:01p, 10/13/24
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I think that (fire) was lower. They finally activated the fire suppression system which seemed to work but if I had to guess some sort of line handling methane was leaking. But I'm not real sure, as it was a 'darker' fire than just a methane flame, imho.

Full disclosure; I'm not the right one to answer this one. I'm sure Marcus House and the others will have some great analyses on all these details in the next few days.
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In reply to ABATTBQ11 • 3:05p, 10/13/24
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Engine gimbals?

Edit... I'm going to stand corrected. Scott Manly says starship DOES have Reaction Control thrusters
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3:10p, 10/13/24
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In reply to Kenneth_2003 • 3:10p, 10/13/24
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In reply to ABATTBQ11 • 3:15p, 10/13/24
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It looked to be from the outer ring(s) area so I doubt it was the gimbal stuff, which are electrical. Might have been fluid I guess from the pressure vessels.
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In reply to TexAgs91 • 3:37p, 10/13/24
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In reply to nortex97 • 3:55p, 10/13/24
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It looked to be from the outer ring(s) area so I doubt it was the gimbal stuff, which are electrical. Might have been fluid I guess from the pressure vessels.


No, go back and read what was in reply to what. The claim was that starship doesn't have thrusters and couldn't deorbit itself without turning around and firing a raptor. The question was how it was going to turn around without thrusters. The answer was gimbal the raptor.
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In reply to hph6203 • 3:58p, 10/13/24
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Being a grown up is understanding the difference between what you can do and what you should do. You can post whiney non-constructive commentary about a video, regardless of who it's of, that will not positively change what the video is, but what you should do if you don't like the video is shrug your shoulders and watch the next one.

Much like I could continue this discussion with you about how to be a human into infinity, but what I should do is let you respond and then ignore it because you're not going to learn.
Ironic that you accuse others is posting whiney non-constructive commentary.
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In reply to ABATTBQ11 • 4:13p, 10/13/24
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nortex97 said:
It looked to be from the outer ring(s) area so I doubt it was the gimbal stuff, which are electrical. Might have been fluid I guess from the pressure vessels.


No, go back and read what was in reply to what. The claim was that starship doesn't have thrusters and couldn't deorbit itself without turning around and firing a raptor. The question was how it was going to turn around without thrusters. The answer was gimbal the raptor.


You are somewhat mistaken. The ship does have gas thrusters for attitude control. This is sourced from ullage gas from the LOX tanks. This was the mechanism that froze over in Flight 3 that prevented the ship from stabilizing before reentry and subsequently broke up.

Granted, these thrusters don't have enough specific impulse to deorbit a greater than 100km perigee orbital trajectory, but they do have enough specific impulse to orient the ship while in orbit. So they will have to relight the engines for deorbit.
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4:55p, 10/13/24
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This one is farther away but absolutely stunning. Maybe my favorite yet.

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In reply to ABATTBQ11 • 5:24p, 10/13/24
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Upon further research I stand corrected. Both vehicles have cold gas thrusters

I still think they have to for the main engines to deorbit if they're in a stable orbit (right now they've got orbital velocity, but a suborbital trajectory). The only way out of orbit is to lower the perogie to intersect the atmosphere.
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5:59p, 10/13/24
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6:07p, 10/13/24
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Those engineers have to be salivating to get the booster off the OLM and back into the shop. Woke up this morning (the launch was at 11pm my time last night) and had to double-check to make sure I wasn't dreaming.
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In reply to RED AG 98 • 6:30p, 10/13/24
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This one is farther away but absolutely stunning. Maybe my favorite yet.
Awesome video. I added some music from the Apollo 11 movie to it

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6:31p, 10/13/24
So when are we going to Mars?
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6:40p, 10/13/24
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How do you undo a flag? I accidentally flagged one of the posts
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In reply to MaxPower • 6:40p, 10/13/24
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So when are we going to Mars?
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7:20p, 10/13/24
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Lol

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In reply to LuoJi • 7:21p, 10/13/24
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Incredible American achievement.

Also incredible they have to fight our own government to do it


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In reply to MaxPower • 7:21p, 10/13/24
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MaxPower said:
So when are we going to Mars?
2026

https://www.cnet.com/science/space/spacex-plans-5-missions-to-mars-by-2026-elon-musk-says/


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SpaceX is planning to send five uncrewed Starships to Mars over the next few years, CEO Elon Musk said on his social media site, X. According to Musk, SpaceX has to wait for the next Earth-Mars launch window before sending the missions. These windows occur when Mars and Earth are lined up in such a way that flights between them take the least amount of energy and time. The next window is in 2026, and should SpaceX miss that deadline, the next launch window is late 2028 into early 2029.

There's several things that have to happen beyond the obvious things they're currently working on.

A Block 3 Starship, which would be about 100 ft taller
In orbit refueling.
A significantly upgraded Ground Zero to support the several flights needed in a short period of time for in-orbit fueling.
Possibly an operational KSC Starship Launch tower as well
The ability to land on uneven terrain

And of course the FAA needs to get out of the way
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In reply to Sea Speed • 7:45p, 10/13/24
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Lol



This post belongs in the funny tweets thread.
Success is measured by the amount of money wasted spent and diversity?

Typical leftist response that results don't matter but diversity does. Why does SpaceX have to rescue astronauts stranded by Boeing if money wasted and diversity is such a measure of success?
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7:47p, 10/13/24
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Hadn't seen this angle yet from the tower looking at the chopsticks.
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In reply to BuddysBud • 7:49p, 10/13/24
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You realize it is a joke, right?
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In reply to BuddysBud • 7:51p, 10/13/24
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BuddysBud said:
Sea Speed said:
Lol



This post belongs in the funny tweets thread.
Success is measured by the amount of money wasted spent and diversity?

Typical leftist response that results don't matter but diversity does. Why does SpaceX have to rescue astronauts stranded by Boeing if money wasted and diversity is such a measure of success?


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In reply to AtlAg05 • 8:06p, 10/13/24
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Hadn't seen this angle yet from the tower looking at the chopsticks.
That should be the new IN meme to replace this one

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9:14p, 10/13/24
I must have missed where they wanted to fly the same booster EVERY hour. Wow.

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9:18p, 10/13/24
Read this once.... Then read it again!

This is what will matter 1000 years from now.

Not your politics. Not your stupid tantrums about who platformed who on some website. Not your incomprehensible desire to send NASA's entire budget to the third world.

This guy reignited the Space Age.

He spent his own money, hired a bunch of dudes, and reignited the Space Age. And together, they underbid and outdid NASA and its pet dinosaur corporations on every conceivable level.

This is history happening before you.

If you are a puddlefish, if you think this is a wasteful showpiece or science project, then you don't understand physics, economics, astronomy, or in fact the basic layout of the universe you live in.

We live in a tiny puddle at the bottom of a well.

Out there is an entire universe, full not only of stuff to explore, but full of stuff to build things out of.

Big things. Wonderful things. Things that are going to make all of the cool stuff you have today, all of human civilization to date look like early Assyrians writing stuff down on wet clay with a reed.

Infinite resources. Infinite energy. Infinite space.

Instead of fighting over little patches of land, we will have an infinite 3d volume. Enclose it in steel, pump it full of air, spin it, and it's a habitat.

Instead of scratching tiny scraps of metal out of the crust of one planet, we will break down entire asteroids and smelt them.

Instead of drilling for hydrocarbons and turning water wheels, we will harness entire suns, split the atom, and eventually draw our fuel from the substance that makes up 99% of the entire universe.

None of your local, temporal Earth politics matter compared to this. This is more important than pride parades and abortions, more important than tribal conflicts in eastern Europe and southwest Asia, more important than tensions with Russia and China.

More important, in the long run, than the United States of America.

America's most important function, its one most vital purpose, is to serve as an incubator for this.

Because this changes everything.

All of our arguments about conditions on this planet become obsolete, because the whole planet becomes just one suburban neighborhood.

All of our wars over resources and territory become obsolete, because no one has time to brawl when we're all sitting on top of a dragon horde with sacks and shovels.

Everyone who was alive at the time remembers where they were when Kennedy died in Dallas. When the towers fell. When the Eagle landed. When the Wall came down.

But this... this is the real moment, one of the first of many. They are what every child will know about a thousand years from now, even if they have four arms and are genetically engineered for zero-g, or are sentient blocks of code running on a sphere of computronium enclosing an entire star.

You may not live to see that, depending on what we do or don't invent, and when.

But it will happen, and you will live to see wonderful things.

If the puddlefish don't get in the way.

Don't be a puddlefish.


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9:24p, 10/13/24
One of the premier terrestrial space photographers.

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9:33p, 10/13/24
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Booster resting on the catch pins

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