Shooter McGavin said:I put gas in my car on Sunday and usually don't have to think about fuel for 4-5 days. Then I go fill up and it takes me 5 minutes. There are fuel stations everywhere.DrAg93 said:
Lot of myth by ICE owners. I have a model 3, and I did not by it for environmental reasons. I bought it for performance and technology conveniences. I have had it 3 years. I do NOT have a level 2 charger. Only a standard 110 outlet. I drive to my office in Austin, down to my lab in San Antonio, and back. There is a level 2 at my lab in SA. Charge will there. Every so often will use a supercharger. For example, this week had to go to Waco. On my from Waco to SA stopped for 15m at a supercharger. So most of you on here going on about the superiority of your ice vehicle, gtfo bc you don't what you are talking about.
You gtfo.
Yes, and that reason is politics and virtue signaling to a large extent.DrAg93 said:Shooter McGavin said:I put gas in my car on Sunday and usually don't have to think about fuel for 4-5 days. Then I go fill up and it takes me 5 minutes. There are fuel stations everywhere.DrAg93 said:
Lot of myth by ICE owners. I have a model 3, and I did not by it for environmental reasons. I bought it for performance and technology conveniences. I have had it 3 years. I do NOT have a level 2 charger. Only a standard 110 outlet. I drive to my office in Austin, down to my lab in San Antonio, and back. There is a level 2 at my lab in SA. Charge will there. Every so often will use a supercharger. For example, this week had to go to Waco. On my from Waco to SA stopped for 15m at a supercharger. So most of you on here going on about the superiority of your ice vehicle, gtfo bc you don't what you are talking about.
You gtfo.
Oh yeah. Such an inconvenience to plug in with a charger sitting on my wall, which literally takes 10s when I come home, compared to you stopping on your commute for 5m every few days. Do you seriously believe this is a reasonable argument? Look, if you love your diesel or gas vehicle, good for you. That said, neither me or anyone I know that owns an ev is thinking of going back for any such reason. Maybe it's an issue in California, don't know, but in Urban Texas it is a non-issue. ICE vehicles will be a minority in 10-15 years. Just don't get on your high horse about how much better any ice is. There is a reason that all automakers are going electric, and ford is selling a 55k electric mustang.
YouBet said:Yes, and that reason is politics and virtue signaling to a large extent.DrAg93 said:Shooter McGavin said:I put gas in my car on Sunday and usually don't have to think about fuel for 4-5 days. Then I go fill up and it takes me 5 minutes. There are fuel stations everywhere.DrAg93 said:
Lot of myth by ICE owners. I have a model 3, and I did not by it for environmental reasons. I bought it for performance and technology conveniences. I have had it 3 years. I do NOT have a level 2 charger. Only a standard 110 outlet. I drive to my office in Austin, down to my lab in San Antonio, and back. There is a level 2 at my lab in SA. Charge will there. Every so often will use a supercharger. For example, this week had to go to Waco. On my from Waco to SA stopped for 15m at a supercharger. So most of you on here going on about the superiority of your ice vehicle, gtfo bc you don't what you are talking about.
You gtfo.
Oh yeah. Such an inconvenience to plug in with a charger sitting on my wall, which literally takes 10s when I come home, compared to you stopping on your commute for 5m every few days. Do you seriously believe this is a reasonable argument? Look, if you love your diesel or gas vehicle, good for you. That said, neither me or anyone I know that owns an ev is thinking of going back for any such reason. Maybe it's an issue in California, don't know, but in Urban Texas it is a non-issue. ICE vehicles will be a minority in 10-15 years. Just don't get on your high horse about how much better any ice is. There is a reason that all automakers are going electric, and ford is selling a 55k electric mustang.
.The_Fox said:CanyonAg77 said:Quote:
the failure of your argument though. It is not inconvenient to own an electric vehicle if you need and use a vehicle exactly like I do, and live in the area I do.
You have the failed argument.
But I fixed it for you.
Just wait for an extended power outage and el doctor will be sitting in his garage.
That's a very well thought out and very persuasive argument.DrAg93 said:
So most of you on here going on about the superiority of your ice vehicle, gtfo bc you don't what you are talking about.
DrAg93 said:Shooter McGavin said:I put gas in my car on Sunday and usually don't have to think about fuel for 4-5 days. Then I go fill up and it takes me 5 minutes. There are fuel stations everywhere.DrAg93 said:
Lot of myth by ICE owners. I have a model 3, and I did not by it for environmental reasons. I bought it for performance and technology conveniences. I have had it 3 years. I do NOT have a level 2 charger. Only a standard 110 outlet. I drive to my office in Austin, down to my lab in San Antonio, and back. There is a level 2 at my lab in SA. Charge will there. Every so often will use a supercharger. For example, this week had to go to Waco. On my from Waco to SA stopped for 15m at a supercharger. So most of you on here going on about the superiority of your ice vehicle, gtfo bc you don't what you are talking about.
You gtfo.
Oh yeah. Such an inconvenience to plug in with a charger sitting on my wall, which literally takes 10s when I come home, compared to you stopping on your commute for 5m every few days. Do you seriously believe this is a reasonable argument? Look, if you love your diesel or gas vehicle, good for you. That said, neither me or anyone I know that owns an ev is thinking of going back for any such reason. Maybe it's an issue in California, don't know, but in Urban Texas it is a non-issue. ICE vehicles will be a minority in 10-15 years. Just don't get on your high horse about how much better any ice is. There is a reason that all automakers are going electric, and ford is selling a 55k electric mustang.
torrid said:
Patiently waiting for EV NASCAR. You know that'll be a lot of fun to watch.
. The average age of a vehicle on the road today is over 10 years old. No way they will be a minority in 10-15 years.DrAg93 said:Shooter McGavin said:I put gas in my car on Sunday and usually don't have to think about fuel for 4-5 days. Then I go fill up and it takes me 5 minutes. There are fuel stations everywhere.DrAg93 said:
Lot of myth by ICE owners. I have a model 3, and I did not by it for environmental reasons. I bought it for performance and technology conveniences. I have had it 3 years. I do NOT have a level 2 charger. Only a standard 110 outlet. I drive to my office in Austin, down to my lab in San Antonio, and back. There is a level 2 at my lab in SA. Charge will there. Every so often will use a supercharger. For example, this week had to go to Waco. On my from Waco to SA stopped for 15m at a supercharger. So most of you on here going on about the superiority of your ice vehicle, gtfo bc you don't what you are talking about.
You gtfo.
Oh yeah. Such an inconvenience to plug in with a charger sitting on my wall, which literally takes 10s when I come home, compared to you stopping on your commute for 5m every few days. Do you seriously believe this is a reasonable argument? Look, if you love your diesel or gas vehicle, good for you. That said, neither me or anyone I know that owns an ev is thinking of going back for any such reason. Maybe it's an issue in California, don't know, but in Urban Texas it is a non-issue. ICE vehicles will be a minority in 10-15 years. Just don't get on your high horse about how much better any ice is. There is a reason that all automakers are going electric, and ford is selling a 55k electric mustang.
Yes. I can also get in that same car and drive from DFW to College Station without stopping for fuel. In your case trying to find a charging station (that no one else is using at the present) and waiting for 15 minutes.DrAg93 said:Shooter McGavin said:I put gas in my car on Sunday and usually don't have to think about fuel for 4-5 days. Then I go fill up and it takes me 5 minutes. There are fuel stations everywhere.DrAg93 said:
Lot of myth by ICE owners. I have a model 3, and I did not by it for environmental reasons. I bought it for performance and technology conveniences. I have had it 3 years. I do NOT have a level 2 charger. Only a standard 110 outlet. I drive to my office in Austin, down to my lab in San Antonio, and back. There is a level 2 at my lab in SA. Charge will there. Every so often will use a supercharger. For example, this week had to go to Waco. On my from Waco to SA stopped for 15m at a supercharger. So most of you on here going on about the superiority of your ice vehicle, gtfo bc you don't what you are talking about.
You gtfo.
Oh yeah. Such an inconvenience to plug in with a charger sitting on my wall, which literally takes 10s when I come home, compared to you stopping on your commute for 5m every few days. Do you seriously believe this is a reasonable argument? Look, if you love your diesel or gas vehicle, good for you. That said, neither me or anyone I know that owns an ev is thinking of going back for any such reason. Maybe it's an issue in California, don't know, but in Urban Texas it is a non-issue. ICE vehicles will be a minority in 10-15 years. Just don't get on your high horse about how much better any ice is. There is a reason that all automakers are going electric, and ford is selling a 55k electric mustang.
Burdizzo said:torrid said:
Patiently waiting for EV NASCAR. You know that'll be a lot of fun to watch.
FIA already has Formula E. Word is their cars turn left AND right.
DrAg93 said:
Lot of myth by ICE owners. I have a model 3, and I did not by it for environmental reasons. I bought it for performance and technology conveniences. I have had it 3 years. I do NOT have a level 2 charger. Only a standard 110 outlet. I drive to my office in Austin, down to my lab in San Antonio, and back. There is a level 2 at my lab in SA. Charge will there. Every so often will use a supercharger. For example, this week had to go to Waco. On my from Waco to SA stopped for 15m at a supercharger. So most of you on here going on about the superiority of your ice vehicle, gtfo bc you don't what you are talking about.
That's great for all those times you need to pull something really heavy for about 15 minutes and then need to refuel.DrAg93 said:
Maybe you should look into a f150 lightning or a rivian? Apparently the F-150 can tow 1 million pounds. I have no idea why you're making comparisons between a sedan and a pickup truck.
Earlier on this thread, you were assuring us that electrics were the answer to all car needs, everywhere.Quote:
Maybe it's an issue in California, don't know, but in Urban Texas it is a non-issue.
The newest car I drive is 15 model years old. There are millions of ICE cars being used now, they won't be a minority for at least 50 years. They won't even be a minority of new cars sold in the next 20 years.Quote:
ICE vehicles will be a minority in 10-15 years.
Yes. It's called marketing and virtue signaling. They will not go all electric in our lifetimes. They will not even go majority electric before 2050. They are publicly on the Green bandwagon, while privately telling dealers it's a fairy tale, especially for SUVs and Trucks.Quote:
Just don't get on your high horse about how much better any ice is. There is a reason that all automakers are going electric, and ford is selling a 55k electric mustang.
Okay, can we simply call them "fossil fuel" cars?GAC06 said:
Coal is a small fraction of electricity generation in Texas so it's a little strange to keep making the ridiculous "coal powered car" argument.
A small fraction? It does need to be higher again as our switch to using more 'wind power' and solar is what made our dispatchable energy so problematic during the cold snap this year, which killed a lot of people. I wouldn't say 19 percent is a 'small fraction.'GAC06 said:
Coal is a small fraction of electricity generation in Texas so it's a little strange to keep making the ridiculous "coal powered car" argument.
DrAg93 said:
Maybe you should look into a f150 lightning or a rivian? Apparently the F-150 can tow 1 million pounds. I have no idea why you're making comparisons between a sedan and a pickup truck.
Nowhere near as ridiculous as calling them "green" or "zero emmissions".GAC06 said:
Coal is a small fraction of electricity generation in Texas so it's a little strange to keep making the ridiculous "coal powered car" argument.
GAC06 said:
Coal is a small fraction of electricity generation in Texas so it's a little strange to keep making the ridiculous "coal powered car" argument.
BusterAg said:
I fully expect that, sometime soon, there is going to be a pretty awesome electric truck that is launched with like a 500 mile range, and towing capacity that far outclasses the top of the line diesel truck.
Some enterprising young man is going to come out with a truck toolbox that includes a storage tank for LNG or diesel and a generator that can extend the range of the truck.
Even if you are limited to driving something like 6 hours a day, you could stop overnight and have a total re-charge, buy some diesel, and keep on truckin' without a charging station.
It's the 3rd largest source and 2nd largest dispatch-able source. You're be-clowning yourself.GAC06 said:
Yes. That is a small fraction
CanyonAg77 said:DrAg93 said:
Maybe you should look into a f150 lightning or a rivian? Apparently the F-150 can tow 1 million pounds. I have no idea why you're making comparisons between a sedan and a pickup truck.
Wow. I can't decide if this is real ignorance, or a desperation to win the argument at all costs.
Why am I comparing cars and trucks? Because you assured us that electrics were perfect for ALL automotive uses. Therefore, I'm pointing out that while it may work for you, commuting a few miles each day, from plug-in, to plug-in, with 8 hours between uses, it may be freaking wonderful.
But when people try to point out that your usage isn't the norm for all, you tell then to GTFO.
Arrogance plus ignorance is not a great debating position.
Let's talk about the video. It shows a 360hp electric motor, pulling a million pounds of rail cars, on a flat track, on steel wheels, on steel rails, at low speeds, for less than a quarter mile. Physics tells me that is Not a Big Deal.
If I ever get a job pulling empty rail cars for short distances, I'll consider an electric F-150.
Until, then, I'll stay here in the real world, where you have to tow rubber tired vehicles on dirt, at high speeds, for hundreds of miles, with rapid "recharge" needed.
The Rivan you seem so high on, has a 400 mile range...until you tow, where the range is cut by 50%. Rivan's numbers, not mine. Imagine how bad the numbers will be with a headwind, uphill, while running the air conditioner.
Did you just say solid state batteries?hph6203 said:
Solid state batteries will allow a vehicle to refill in about 10 minutes and have longer range than your average combustion vehicle, but that's about 4-5 years away if you believe Toyota.
Tesla is going to start manufacturing their new battery in the next year or so, not solid state, but should allow for more range and faster charging speeds.
Electric vehicles are still in the early stages. At maturity I believe they'll be better than combustion vehicles for everything other than towing. Or I guess scaring the sensibilities of your lib neighbors that probably weren't actually scared, just annoyed the quiet was disturbed for no reason.
nortex97 said:It's the 3rd largest source and 2nd largest dispatch-able source. You're be-clowning yourself.GAC06 said:
Yes. That is a small fraction
Yes, because there is nothing skewing the market at all (Hello government!).DrAg93 said:YouBet said:Yes, and that reason is politics and virtue signaling to a large extent.DrAg93 said:Shooter McGavin said:I put gas in my car on Sunday and usually don't have to think about fuel for 4-5 days. Then I go fill up and it takes me 5 minutes. There are fuel stations everywhere.DrAg93 said:
Lot of myth by ICE owners. I have a model 3, and I did not by it for environmental reasons. I bought it for performance and technology conveniences. I have had it 3 years. I do NOT have a level 2 charger. Only a standard 110 outlet. I drive to my office in Austin, down to my lab in San Antonio, and back. There is a level 2 at my lab in SA. Charge will there. Every so often will use a supercharger. For example, this week had to go to Waco. On my from Waco to SA stopped for 15m at a supercharger. So most of you on here going on about the superiority of your ice vehicle, gtfo bc you don't what you are talking about.
You gtfo.
Oh yeah. Such an inconvenience to plug in with a charger sitting on my wall, which literally takes 10s when I come home, compared to you stopping on your commute for 5m every few days. Do you seriously believe this is a reasonable argument? Look, if you love your diesel or gas vehicle, good for you. That said, neither me or anyone I know that owns an ev is thinking of going back for any such reason. Maybe it's an issue in California, don't know, but in Urban Texas it is a non-issue. ICE vehicles will be a minority in 10-15 years. Just don't get on your high horse about how much better any ice is. There is a reason that all automakers are going electric, and ford is selling a 55k electric mustang.
Bs. It's driven by consumers. Nobody's telling me what car to buy, I do because that's what I want. And the subsidy for Tesla disappeared a long time ago. Nobody who buys a Tesla these days is getting a tax break.
