I don't think you understand the energy market, and specifically dispatchable energy.GAC06 said:nortex97 said:It's the 3rd largest source and 2nd largest dispatch-able source. You're be-clowning yourself.GAC06 said:
Yes. That is a small fraction
Do you think 16% (and shrinking) is a large fraction of the total? Weird hill to die on.
Your lack of ability to contextualize, or respond to what I posted, confirms my suspicion. Have a great evening.GAC06 said:
I think claiming that electric vehicles are coal powered when coal is only generating 16% of the electricity is absurd. Almost as absurd as the mental gymnastics you're doing to defend such a ridiculous assertion.
Should also plot hours of rolling blackouts.nortex97 said:A small fraction? It does need to be higher again as our switch to using more 'wind power' and solar is what made our dispatchable energy so problematic during the cold snap this year, which killed a lot of people. I wouldn't say 19 percent is a 'small fraction.'GAC06 said:
Coal is a small fraction of electricity generation in Texas so it's a little strange to keep making the ridiculous "coal powered car" argument.
We need much more nuclear, obviously. I would think that would make the green energy/electric car owners feel better too.
Lie/utter falsehood. That's the problem; California (for instance) doesn't want them charged at night.GAC06 said:
I guess you know electric vehicles mostly charge at night. That means they are likely getting less than 16% coal generated electricity. Bye.
Motors just beat the crap out of ICE when it comes to torque.ChemEAg08 said:BusterAg said:
I fully expect that, sometime soon, there is going to be a pretty awesome electric truck that is launched with like a 500 mile range, and towing capacity that far outclasses the top of the line diesel truck.
Some enterprising young man is going to come out with a truck toolbox that includes a storage tank for LNG or diesel and a generator that can extend the range of the truck.
Even if you are limited to driving something like 6 hours a day, you could stop overnight and have a total re-charge, buy some diesel, and keep on truckin' without a charging station.
Sounds awesome bro. But wouldn't hold your breath
agracer said:. The average age of a vehicle on the road today is over 10 years old. No way they will be a minority in 10-15 years.DrAg93 said:Shooter McGavin said:I put gas in my car on Sunday and usually don't have to think about fuel for 4-5 days. Then I go fill up and it takes me 5 minutes. There are fuel stations everywhere.DrAg93 said:
Lot of myth by ICE owners. I have a model 3, and I did not by it for environmental reasons. I bought it for performance and technology conveniences. I have had it 3 years. I do NOT have a level 2 charger. Only a standard 110 outlet. I drive to my office in Austin, down to my lab in San Antonio, and back. There is a level 2 at my lab in SA. Charge will there. Every so often will use a supercharger. For example, this week had to go to Waco. On my from Waco to SA stopped for 15m at a supercharger. So most of you on here going on about the superiority of your ice vehicle, gtfo bc you don't what you are talking about.
You gtfo.
Oh yeah. Such an inconvenience to plug in with a charger sitting on my wall, which literally takes 10s when I come home, compared to you stopping on your commute for 5m every few days. Do you seriously believe this is a reasonable argument? Look, if you love your diesel or gas vehicle, good for you. That said, neither me or anyone I know that owns an ev is thinking of going back for any such reason. Maybe it's an issue in California, don't know, but in Urban Texas it is a non-issue. ICE vehicles will be a minority in 10-15 years. Just don't get on your high horse about how much better any ice is. There is a reason that all automakers are going electric, and ford is selling a 55k electric mustang.
FarmerJohn said:
No, I'm am serious. I'm no expert but I think you can get an LS3 in a C2. That gets you to 435HP naturally aspirated. So you will need a boost to hit 600HP. So I'm wondering what else went into it. That seemed an oddly specific number to throw out.
Without batteries.BusterAg said:Motors just beat the crap out of ICE when it comes to torque.ChemEAg08 said:BusterAg said:
I fully expect that, sometime soon, there is going to be a pretty awesome electric truck that is launched with like a 500 mile range, and towing capacity that far outclasses the top of the line diesel truck.
Some enterprising young man is going to come out with a truck toolbox that includes a storage tank for LNG or diesel and a generator that can extend the range of the truck.
Even if you are limited to driving something like 6 hours a day, you could stop overnight and have a total re-charge, buy some diesel, and keep on truckin' without a charging station.
Sounds awesome bro. But wouldn't hold your breath
It's all about battery capacity.
How do you think trains run?
At one point the most expensive car in my garage was the oldest. Cars were 9, 15, & 27 yrs old.The Fife said:agracer said:. The average age of a vehicle on the road today is over 10 years old. No way they will be a minority in 10-15 years.DrAg93 said:Shooter McGavin said:I put gas in my car on Sunday and usually don't have to think about fuel for 4-5 days. Then I go fill up and it takes me 5 minutes. There are fuel stations everywhere.DrAg93 said:
Lot of myth by ICE owners. I have a model 3, and I did not by it for environmental reasons. I bought it for performance and technology conveniences. I have had it 3 years. I do NOT have a level 2 charger. Only a standard 110 outlet. I drive to my office in Austin, down to my lab in San Antonio, and back. There is a level 2 at my lab in SA. Charge will there. Every so often will use a supercharger. For example, this week had to go to Waco. On my from Waco to SA stopped for 15m at a supercharger. So most of you on here going on about the superiority of your ice vehicle, gtfo bc you don't what you are talking about.
You gtfo.
Oh yeah. Such an inconvenience to plug in with a charger sitting on my wall, which literally takes 10s when I come home, compared to you stopping on your commute for 5m every few days. Do you seriously believe this is a reasonable argument? Look, if you love your diesel or gas vehicle, good for you. That said, neither me or anyone I know that owns an ev is thinking of going back for any such reason. Maybe it's an issue in California, don't know, but in Urban Texas it is a non-issue. ICE vehicles will be a minority in 10-15 years. Just don't get on your high horse about how much better any ice is. There is a reason that all automakers are going electric, and ford is selling a 55k electric mustang.
The average age in my garage is 28 years 8 months.
Diesel enginesBusterAg said:Motors just beat the crap out of ICE when it comes to torque.ChemEAg08 said:BusterAg said:
I fully expect that, sometime soon, there is going to be a pretty awesome electric truck that is launched with like a 500 mile range, and towing capacity that far outclasses the top of the line diesel truck.
Some enterprising young man is going to come out with a truck toolbox that includes a storage tank for LNG or diesel and a generator that can extend the range of the truck.
Even if you are limited to driving something like 6 hours a day, you could stop overnight and have a total re-charge, buy some diesel, and keep on truckin' without a charging station.
Sounds awesome bro. But wouldn't hold your breath
It's all about battery capacity.
How do you think trains run?
Since wind and solar decrease at night, it's easy to surmise that more coal is used at night.GAC06 said:
About coal being used more at night
Damned impressive. I'm at exactly half - 14y4mThe Fife said:agracer said:. The average age of a vehicle on the road today is over 10 years old. No way they will be a minority in 10-15 years.DrAg93 said:Shooter McGavin said:I put gas in my car on Sunday and usually don't have to think about fuel for 4-5 days. Then I go fill up and it takes me 5 minutes. There are fuel stations everywhere.DrAg93 said:
Lot of myth by ICE owners. I have a model 3, and I did not by it for environmental reasons. I bought it for performance and technology conveniences. I have had it 3 years. I do NOT have a level 2 charger. Only a standard 110 outlet. I drive to my office in Austin, down to my lab in San Antonio, and back. There is a level 2 at my lab in SA. Charge will there. Every so often will use a supercharger. For example, this week had to go to Waco. On my from Waco to SA stopped for 15m at a supercharger. So most of you on here going on about the superiority of your ice vehicle, gtfo bc you don't what you are talking about.
You gtfo.
Oh yeah. Such an inconvenience to plug in with a charger sitting on my wall, which literally takes 10s when I come home, compared to you stopping on your commute for 5m every few days. Do you seriously believe this is a reasonable argument? Look, if you love your diesel or gas vehicle, good for you. That said, neither me or anyone I know that owns an ev is thinking of going back for any such reason. Maybe it's an issue in California, don't know, but in Urban Texas it is a non-issue. ICE vehicles will be a minority in 10-15 years. Just don't get on your high horse about how much better any ice is. There is a reason that all automakers are going electric, and ford is selling a 55k electric mustang.
The average age in my garage is 28 years 8 months.
Medaggie said:
My post was not towards anyone in particular. But it seems that people get triggered and hostile even when tesla gets brought up.
I can start a thread on the automotive board stating how great I think Tesla handles without even mentioning anything about the environment/climate change and it would devolve quickly into anti tesla/tesla owner thread
The advertisements out here in California want you to reduce the amount of electricity used between 4pm to 9pm.nortex97 said:Lie/utter falsehood. That's the problem; California (for instance) doesn't want them charged at night.GAC06 said:
I guess you know electric vehicles mostly charge at night. That means they are likely getting less than 16% coal generated electricity. Bye.
Coal provides more power at night than during day light hours. Look it up/read more.
Daily drivers, I'm at 17 years. If I start counting project and farm vehicles, I've got 2 from the 1970s, 3 from the 1950s, and a museum tractor that's 84 years oldHollywoodBQ said:Damned impressive. I'm at exactly half - 14y4mThe Fife said:agracer said:. The average age of a vehicle on the road today is over 10 years old. No way they will be a minority in 10-15 years.DrAg93 said:Shooter McGavin said:I put gas in my car on Sunday and usually don't have to think about fuel for 4-5 days. Then I go fill up and it takes me 5 minutes. There are fuel stations everywhere.DrAg93 said:
Lot of myth by ICE owners. I have a model 3, and I did not by it for environmental reasons. I bought it for performance and technology conveniences. I have had it 3 years. I do NOT have a level 2 charger. Only a standard 110 outlet. I drive to my office in Austin, down to my lab in San Antonio, and back. There is a level 2 at my lab in SA. Charge will there. Every so often will use a supercharger. For example, this week had to go to Waco. On my from Waco to SA stopped for 15m at a supercharger. So most of you on here going on about the superiority of your ice vehicle, gtfo bc you don't what you are talking about.
You gtfo.
Oh yeah. Such an inconvenience to plug in with a charger sitting on my wall, which literally takes 10s when I come home, compared to you stopping on your commute for 5m every few days. Do you seriously believe this is a reasonable argument? Look, if you love your diesel or gas vehicle, good for you. That said, neither me or anyone I know that owns an ev is thinking of going back for any such reason. Maybe it's an issue in California, don't know, but in Urban Texas it is a non-issue. ICE vehicles will be a minority in 10-15 years. Just don't get on your high horse about how much better any ice is. There is a reason that all automakers are going electric, and ford is selling a 55k electric mustang.
The average age in my garage is 28 years 8 months.
CanyonAg77 said:Daily drivers, I'm at 17 years. If I start counting project and farm vehicles, I've got 2 from the 1970s, 3 from the 1950s, and a museum tractor that's 74 years oldHollywoodBQ said:Damned impressive. I'm at exactly half - 14y4mThe Fife said:agracer said:. The average age of a vehicle on the road today is over 10 years old. No way they will be a minority in 10-15 years.DrAg93 said:Shooter McGavin said:I put gas in my car on Sunday and usually don't have to think about fuel for 4-5 days. Then I go fill up and it takes me 5 minutes. There are fuel stations everywhere.DrAg93 said:
Lot of myth by ICE owners. I have a model 3, and I did not by it for environmental reasons. I bought it for performance and technology conveniences. I have had it 3 years. I do NOT have a level 2 charger. Only a standard 110 outlet. I drive to my office in Austin, down to my lab in San Antonio, and back. There is a level 2 at my lab in SA. Charge will there. Every so often will use a supercharger. For example, this week had to go to Waco. On my from Waco to SA stopped for 15m at a supercharger. So most of you on here going on about the superiority of your ice vehicle, gtfo bc you don't what you are talking about.
You gtfo.
Oh yeah. Such an inconvenience to plug in with a charger sitting on my wall, which literally takes 10s when I come home, compared to you stopping on your commute for 5m every few days. Do you seriously believe this is a reasonable argument? Look, if you love your diesel or gas vehicle, good for you. That said, neither me or anyone I know that owns an ev is thinking of going back for any such reason. Maybe it's an issue in California, don't know, but in Urban Texas it is a non-issue. ICE vehicles will be a minority in 10-15 years. Just don't get on your high horse about how much better any ice is. There is a reason that all automakers are going electric, and ford is selling a 55k electric mustang.
The average age in my garage is 28 years 8 months.
My point.CanyonAg77 said:Diesel enginesBusterAg said:Motors just beat the crap out of ICE when it comes to torque.ChemEAg08 said:BusterAg said:
I fully expect that, sometime soon, there is going to be a pretty awesome electric truck that is launched with like a 500 mile range, and towing capacity that far outclasses the top of the line diesel truck.
Some enterprising young man is going to come out with a truck toolbox that includes a storage tank for LNG or diesel and a generator that can extend the range of the truck.
Even if you are limited to driving something like 6 hours a day, you could stop overnight and have a total re-charge, buy some diesel, and keep on truckin' without a charging station.
Sounds awesome bro. But wouldn't hold your breath
It's all about battery capacity.
How do you think trains run?
Turning generators
That run electric motors
Look it up. Seriously.GAC06 said:
About coal being used more at night
Quote:
As Mills points out, among the reality of "green energy" are:
- Building wind turbines and solar panels to generate electricity, as well as batteries to fuel electric vehicles, requires, on average, more than 10 times the quantity of materials, compared with building machines using hydrocarbons to deliver the same amount of energy to society.
- A single electric car contains more cobalt than 1,000 smartphone batteries; the blades on a single wind turbine have more plastic than 5 million smartphones; and a solar array that can power one data center uses more glass than 50 million phones.
- Replacing hydrocarbons with green machines under current plansnever mind aspirations for far greater expansionwill vastly increase the mining of various critical minerals around the world. For example, a single electric car battery weighing 1,000 pounds requires extracting and processing some 500,000 pounds of materials. Averaged over a battery's life, each mile of driving an electric car "consumes" five pounds of earth. Using an internal combustion engine consumes about 0.2 pounds of liquids per mile.
- Oil, natural gas, and coal are needed to produce the concrete, steel, plastics, and purified minerals used to build green machines. The energy equivalent of 100 barrels of oil is used in the processes to fabricate a single battery that can store the equivalent of one barrel of oil.
- By 2050, with current plans, the quantity of worn-out solar panelsmuch of it nonrecyclablewill constitute double the tonnage of all today's global plastic waste, along with over 3 million tons per year of unrecyclable plastics from worn-out wind turbine blades. By 2030, more than 10 million tons per year of batteries will become garbage.
Yes. Solid state batteries have a solid electrolyte rather than a liquid one. They charge faster and have more energy density, they just historically run into problems with number of charge cycles. They've solved that problem in the lab and are now working towards making it commercially viable.TexasRebel said:Did you just say solid state batteries?hph6203 said:
Solid state batteries will allow a vehicle to refill in about 10 minutes and have longer range than your average combustion vehicle, but that's about 4-5 years away if you believe Toyota.
Tesla is going to start manufacturing their new battery in the next year or so, not solid state, but should allow for more range and faster charging speeds.
Electric vehicles are still in the early stages. At maturity I believe they'll be better than combustion vehicles for everything other than towing. Or I guess scaring the sensibilities of your lib neighbors that probably weren't actually scared, just annoyed the quiet was disturbed for no reason.
