Teslag said:

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Surrender isn't peace. And it's not what the people of Ukraine want.

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74% of Ukrainians dont want to give up the donbass


https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/poll-74-ukrainians-against-peace-140633641.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAJhKo75uNo4hvxliZxhqn80x55S1SMYRGCpL5N2vR0Idd11OLXLbvUobRxiGHwuD4uIDlV7bKypp1O9Vxx_dRI4uCWWAyLyiwEyIEzE7pKg6a1fAc9T-Pt9tRc5848fXz726fdSkm8HhKc6SXHaPLxhSCfA5udIX02c5Gg2MtnEb
https://news.gallup.com/poll/693203/ukrainian-support-war-effort-collapses.aspx

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Seventy-four percent of Ukrainians oppose a peace plan that would include Ukraine's withdrawal from the eastern Donbas region and a cap on the army's size without reliable security guarantees, according to results from a poll released by Kyiv International Institute of Sociology on Jan. 2.

The results from the survey, conducted between Nov. 26 to Dec. 29 among roughly 1,000 Ukrainians across the country, also revealed that 69% of Ukrainians support a peace plan that would freeze the war with security guarantees, as long as Ukraine is not forced to officially recognize Russian-occupied territories as part of Russia, Kyiv International Institute of Sociology said in its press release.

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However, in a poll from August 2025:

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Ukrainians' support for continuing to fight until victory has hit a new low. In Gallup's most recent poll of Ukraine conducted in early July 69% say they favor a negotiated end to the war as soon as possible, compared with 24% who support continuing to fight until victory.

This marks a nearly complete reversal from public opinion in 2022, when 73% favored Ukraine fighting until victory and 22% preferred that Ukraine seek a negotiated end as soon as possible.

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Further, of we are going to do what the polls say people want, then the usa citizens want to stop supporting Ukraine

https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/53802-support-military-aid-ukraine-waning-again-december-26-29-2025-economist-yougov-poll


These are irreconcilable positions as ukriane has no way to force russia out of the regions they're currently occupying. So, at the moment with little to change to momentum, Ukraine gives up land or the war continues of which neither is preferred by the Ukrainian people.

Not to mention, the polls immaterial show declining support for increased aid to Ukraine or continuing aid.

At this point, the opinion of the people is rather irrelevant

That aligns with general logic as you'd expect people to become fatigued the longer this goes on. That goes for both sides but Putin has more tools in the toolshed for forcing something unpopular to continue.

Zelensky has to measure carefully. He's going to be unpopular no matter what. Giving up land looks like a big L but if this goes on another year or two he will be equally disliked for not finding a way to end it. Trump will no doubt be loud about how they could have had a deal but chose to play hardball.

MJ20/20 said:

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pagerman @ work said:

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MJ20/20 said:

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If peace is the goal (which I doubt it is) these documents are a wate of time. Putin will never agree to anything approaching these terms. If Putin is out of the picture then it's most likely Medvedev and heaven help everyone if that happens. He will make Putin look like Mary Poppins.

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Yes, but if everyone else is on board and thinks the deal is fair and reasonable, and one party won't agree, it's pretty easy for everyone (with the exception of the bought and paid for Russia/Putin shills) to see who the problem is.

Then everyone will know without a doubt and can act accordingly.

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Moral victories and assessment of blame are exercises that were exhausted two years ago.

This is more about weak western leaders trying to drum up progress when, in fact, their efforts are impedeing progress towards peace.

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It's not peace unless it's enforceable and sustainable. Advocating for anything else would indicate that true peace isn't your concern as opposed to a temporary end/pause without interest for future outcomes.

Edit: After seeing your response to Tesla, I agree. I don't think they give a rat's butt. But without ensuring that Europe is married to obtaining a positive outcome this won't work. And who knows what happens next time without sufficient deterrence.

Methinks Russia is going to continue digging themself a deeper hole with Trump.

Nothing to see here - just prominent Russian Z-bloggers calling for the assassination of @POTUS.

For those unaware, Z channels have massive reach and have historically incited violence or echoed state-sponsored aggression. pic.twitter.com/OwCdi9Ltu2

— Meaghan Mobbs (@mobbs_mentality) January 7, 2026

BREAKING:

Senator Lindsey Graham writes that he has now received Trump’s support for his bipartisan Russia-sanctions bill and that a vote could take place as early as next week

🇺🇸🇷🇺 pic.twitter.com/iUBEOMdUFx

— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) January 7, 2026

I would like to know what these "tools" are. He can already levy tariffs on any of those countries. They going to start freezing assets?

Will have to wait and see what happens. But it appears that Trump has done one hell of a heel turn on Russia in the past week.

Graham claims Trump "green-lit" his Russia sanctions bill to impose 500% secondary tariffs on importers of Russian oil, gas, uranium and petroleum products. No indication of what this means for when, or if, the bill goes up for a floor vote. https://t.co/22F4ne24VG

— Michael Weiss (@michaeldweiss) January 7, 2026

Additional footage showing tonight’s strike by a Russian “Oreshnik” Intermediate-Range Ballistic Missile (IRBM) against a “critical infrastructure facility” in the Lviv Oblast of Western Ukraine, less than fifty miles from the border with Poland. pic.twitter.com/w4VdhDLgdB

— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) January 8, 2026

The use of an IRBM in a conventional manner, without a payload, is perhaps the most grotesque, conventionally costly, and ineffective use of an IRBM. It appears aimed mostly at foreigners, whom Putin likely anticipates would be terrified and seek de-escalation with him

— Tatarigami_UA (@Tatarigami_UA) January 8, 2026

This is what a strike by a Russian "Oreshnik"/"Kedr" (RS-26) ballistic missile looks like, tonight in Lviv

Again, without warheads, just empty submunitions - duds. Just like a year and a half ago in Dnipro.

HOW THIS MISSILE WORKS - The RS-26 reaches its target, splits into… pic.twitter.com/Md2OLDegqj

— Cloooud |🇺🇦 (@GloOouD) January 8, 2026

Strictly for terror and to try make a statement to the US and Europe after being castrated in Venezuela and the North Sea. No strategic value to this strike whatsoever. I almost hope Russia overplays its hand and gets itself burnt to the ground.

More missiles to Kyiv right now.

Simply brutal.

Why? Because Ukrainians, like Iranians tonight, insist on living in freedom from tyrannical war machines. https://t.co/uaMNjUfoCV

— JP Lindsley | Journalist (@JPLindsley) January 9, 2026

🚨 Overnight, Russia launched a massive drone and missile attack on Kyiv. At least four people were killed and 13 injured, including first responders targeted in a double-tap strike. Again, Russia isn’t interested in peace and won’t stop its war unless it’s forced to. pic.twitter.com/8blgCJzmRq

— Ostap Yarysh (@OstapYarysh) January 9, 2026

This is an interesting development which really makes me want Ukraine to drop the bridge to Crimea:

https://redstate.com/wardclark/2026/01/09/meanwhile-in-russia-now-horses-have-internet-access-n2197964

Or they are looking for photo ops of American munitions used against horses for propaganda.

Interesting. I recently saw an FPV drone video of a couple of literal Russian cavalry riders get bucked and taken out by a drone. Now, this news. Is Russia increasingly relying on horses?

They have rail access through seized territory. The bridge isn't critical.

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They have rail access through seized territory. The bridge isn't critical.

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But they can't use trucks on shorter route. I would drop the railroad too. Ukraine strategic focus should be on supply routes/depots and C^2 vs going after items that will not be used against them like old aircraft etc

Trains are way more efficient than trucks. Trucks over the bridge aren't the issue. Also, "dropping" the overland train route sounds good but how? Ukraine can't send enough drones against soft targets like refineries. Rail infrastructure isn't very soft.

GAC06 said:

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Trains are way more efficient than trucks. Trucks over the bridge aren't the issue. Also, "dropping" the overland train route sounds good but how? Ukraine can't send enough drones against soft targets like refineries. Rail infrastructure isn't very soft.

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I'm ok with them focusing on refiners because that with the USA seizing the shadow fleet tankers will put more pressure on Russia.

On rail infrastructure sabotage, hit the switching, maintenance facilities, but I really don't know how Ukraine with there limited resources & capacity can take out the trains.

GAC06 said:

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They have rail access through seized territory. The bridge isn't critical.

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Tactically, it isn't. As a symbol, it definitely is worth destroying.

🇺🇸 Trump considers Putin an obstacle to peace and is tired of his games, - The Telegraph

The Trump administration is moving to a strategy of tough coercion of the Russian Federation to peace. Washington's latest steps - the arrest of a Russian oil tanker and support for new… pic.twitter.com/FVJxJYpmST

— MAKS 25 🇺🇦👀 (@Maks_NAFO_FELLA) January 10, 2026

It's official. Longer than ww2 for the Russians

It's not like the world wasn't saying this a year ago

Better late than never.

The Ukrainian General Staff confirmed that three Lukoil drilling platforms in the Caspian Sea were struck. A Buk-M3 air defense launcher was hit in occupied Luhansk, and a logistics warehouse of Russia’s 49th Army was targeted in Kherson region. pic.twitter.com/KJ1NjBjyeZ

— NOELREPORTS 🇪🇺 🇺🇦 (@NOELreports) January 11, 2026

Britain launches Project Nightfall, racing to deliver Ukraine a new tactical ballistic missile with 500+ km range and a 200 kg warhead, capable of hammering Russian command posts and supply lines far behind the front, potentially reaching Moscow itself. pic.twitter.com/kpZA6o2SMS

— Polymarket Intel (@PolymarketIntel) January 11, 2026

So today, Russia’s full-scale invasion aimed at destroying Ukraine has reached the same duration as the Eastern Front of World War II.

For 1,418 days, Russia has been unable to defeat Ukraine, unable to break through the front, unable to destroy its military, unable to seize its… pic.twitter.com/3ggSNtTm6n

— Illia Ponomarenko 🇺🇦 (@IAPonomarenko) January 11, 2026

74OA said:

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So today, Russia’s full-scale invasion aimed at destroying Ukraine has reached the same duration as the Eastern Front of World War II.

For 1,418 days, Russia has been unable to defeat Ukraine, unable to break through the front, unable to destroy its military, unable to seize its… pic.twitter.com/3ggSNtTm6n

— Illia Ponomarenko 🇺🇦 (@IAPonomarenko) January 11, 2026

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Yep. A little harder when you don't have other countries going at them from the other side. Nice job Putin for sending your country in a downward spiral.

has anyone pointed out that one of the biggest suppliers of military equipment to Russia is...

IRAN.

maybe it makes sense to take out the Iranians and end their support for Russia and selling oil to China?