***Russian - Ukraine War Tactical and Strategic Updates*** [Warning on OP]

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Russians have once again launched ballistic missiles.
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Here is something Ukraine should have built after Crimea was taken and once they get peace. There are so many other simple defensive structures that South Korea & Israel use to protect their countries.


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What am I looking at here?
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Russians are possibly hunting for the radar stations of Patriot systems, in my opinion.
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MiG-31K fighters are returning to attack positions once again.
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TheGifGuy said:

What am I looking at here?

You are looking at is a structure that in the event of an invasion you blow this in place creating a barrier on an ingress route. It creates a obstacle that slows down the invasion and allows you to target the columns of traffic.
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Got it, thanks!
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TheGifGuy said:

Got it, thanks!

Really works well when you add it to a terrain feature like a hill & put several tons of rock or dirt.
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Ag with kids said:

74OA said:

Ag with kids said:

74OA said:

Ukraine's fate in 2026 will define the world we will live in. This is the reason why the war's outcome will affect every American.

"The Ukraine war is the ultimate test case because it is not merely a border dispute. It is a referendum on whether conquest is back-openly, unapologetically-in 21st-century geopolitics.

If Russia is allowed to seize territory by brute force and then, after sufficient destruction, have that seizure ratified through Western pressure on the victim, Ukraine, the lesson will echo far beyond Europe. It will be heard in every capital that lives in the shadow of a stronger neighbor, and especially so in an Asia increasingly dominated by China.

The rules-based international order will not be abolished with a speech. It will be hollowed out by precedent."

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If Russia is allowed to seize territory by brute force and then, after sufficient destruction, have that seizure ratified through Western pressure on the victim, Ukraine, the lesson will echo far beyond Europe. It will be heard in every capital that lives in the shadow of a stronger neighbor and especially so in an Asia increasingly dominated by China. The rules-based international order will not be abolished with a speech. It will be hollowed out by precedent.

And if, on the other hand, Ukraine emerges in 2026 with a settlement that is genuinely defensible one that does not invite a rematch, one that provides long-term security serious enough to unlock reconstruction and investment then the West will have shown that deterrence is still possible, that alliances still mean something and that rogue powers cannot simply outlast democratic attention spans.

So, is Fareed stating that if the settlement happens and involves the seizure of territory it's unacceptable?

Those 2 paragraphs are mutually exclusive if any territory is transferred based on how he phrases the first paragraph.

That means, that this war will have to continue until Ukraine gets back every single inch of territory for it to be a "
settlement that is genuinely defensible"....

Read it again. He says if the West "ratifies" the land seizure by pressuring Ukraine into accepting its loss against its will that will encourage other tyrant's aggression. It is up to Ukraine alone to decide what sort of deal it can live with.


But any deal they take will be seen as acquiescence to US/EU demands or requests…

That's where the conditions in the second paragraph come into play and, again, they have to be acceptable to Ukraine.
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74OA said:

Ag with kids said:

74OA said:

Ag with kids said:

74OA said:

Ukraine's fate in 2026 will define the world we will live in. This is the reason why the war's outcome will affect every American.

"The Ukraine war is the ultimate test case because it is not merely a border dispute. It is a referendum on whether conquest is back-openly, unapologetically-in 21st-century geopolitics.

If Russia is allowed to seize territory by brute force and then, after sufficient destruction, have that seizure ratified through Western pressure on the victim, Ukraine, the lesson will echo far beyond Europe. It will be heard in every capital that lives in the shadow of a stronger neighbor, and especially so in an Asia increasingly dominated by China.

The rules-based international order will not be abolished with a speech. It will be hollowed out by precedent."

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If Russia is allowed to seize territory by brute force and then, after sufficient destruction, have that seizure ratified through Western pressure on the victim, Ukraine, the lesson will echo far beyond Europe. It will be heard in every capital that lives in the shadow of a stronger neighbor and especially so in an Asia increasingly dominated by China. The rules-based international order will not be abolished with a speech. It will be hollowed out by precedent.

And if, on the other hand, Ukraine emerges in 2026 with a settlement that is genuinely defensible one that does not invite a rematch, one that provides long-term security serious enough to unlock reconstruction and investment then the West will have shown that deterrence is still possible, that alliances still mean something and that rogue powers cannot simply outlast democratic attention spans.

So, is Fareed stating that if the settlement happens and involves the seizure of territory it's unacceptable?

Those 2 paragraphs are mutually exclusive if any territory is transferred based on how he phrases the first paragraph.

That means, that this war will have to continue until Ukraine gets back every single inch of territory for it to be a "
settlement that is genuinely defensible"....

Read it again. He says if the West "ratifies" the land seizure by pressuring Ukraine into accepting its loss against its will that will encourage other tyrant's aggression. It is up to Ukraine alone to decide what sort of deal it can live with.


But any deal they take will be seen as acquiescence to US/EU demands or requests…

That's where the conditions in the second paragraph come into play and, again, they have to be acceptable to Ukraine.


A big unstated part- yes, if ukriane is forced to cede land, it could serve as some primary motivation for another aggressor.

However, i dont think theres more than 1 or 2 other nations that

1. Are looking to invade another territory
2. Can sustained a multi year fight agaisnt heavy sanctions, western money and supplies
3. The loss of >1 million men

So, technically, yes, allowing russia to keep the land it currently occupies could be enough to justify another nation making the jump. But, most other nations aren't dumb enough to do it
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So, six in the morning, all clear on strategic aviation, no visible launches anywhere.
Shaheds are also quiet.
At night, Chernihiv and Kyiv were under attack, with hits on civilian buildings.
Staying in touch.
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“You can resolve to live your life with integrity. Let your credo be this: Let the lie come into the world, let it even triumph. But not through me.”
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“You can resolve to live your life with integrity. Let your credo be this: Let the lie come into the world, let it even triumph. But not through me.”
- Alexander Solzhenitsyn
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Ukraine pilots diverging from NATO training to deal with their particular combat reality. Interesting read.

TACTICS
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74OA said:

Ukraine pilots diverging from NATO training to deal with their particular combat reality. Interesting read.

TACTICS

I'm assuming they're still in a stand off firing position near the front lines. Would be interesting to see drones acting like WWI baloons carrying wires designed to damage aircraft.
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aezmvp said:

74OA said:

Ukraine pilots diverging from NATO training to deal with their particular combat reality. Interesting read.

TACTICS

I'm assuming they're still in a stand off firing position near the front lines. Would be interesting to see drones acting like WWI baloons carrying wires designed to damage aircraft.

They have tactics which allow direct strikes, but at considerable risk. "The pilot also described escort missions in which F-16s deliberately expose themselves to enemy fighters in order to draw missile launches and deplete Russian ammunition, allowing strike aircraft carrying precision-guided bombs to complete their missions. In one described engagement, Ukrainian pilots operating as a three-ship formation forced Russian fighters to fire missiles from different directions, enabling the strike aircraft to hit its target and return safely."
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no one mentioning what could be a MASSIVE shift after we took out Maduro:

no more Iranian Shahed drone production in Venezuela

no more Venezuelan oil flowing to China for money used to pay off the Iranians to build drones in Iran for Rusia
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no more Iranian Shahed drone production in Venezuela

I didn't realize this was a thing.

https://taskandpurpose.com/news/venezuela-iran-united-states-caribbean/
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More details from Ukrainian aircrew on how they are successfully employing F-16s.

PILOTS
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These guarantees, similar to those under NATO's Article 5, would commit the United States to come to Ukraine's defense in the event of any future attack by Russia.

How is that different than our agreement 30 yrs ago when we asked Ukraine to give up their nukes?
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TRM said:

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These guarantees, similar to those under NATO's Article 5, would commit the United States to come to Ukraine's defense in the event of any future attack by Russia.

How is that different than our agreement 30 yrs ago when we asked Ukraine to give up their nukes?

We will double pinky swear on this one.
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TRM said:

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These guarantees, similar to those under NATO's Article 5, would commit the United States to come to Ukraine's defense in the event of any future attack by Russia.

How is that different than our agreement 30 yrs ago when we asked Ukraine to give up their nukes?


Last time wasn't an actual defense treaty.
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TRM said:

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These guarantees, similar to those under NATO's Article 5, would commit the United States to come to Ukraine's defense in the event of any future attack by Russia.

How is that different than our agreement 30 yrs ago when we asked Ukraine to give up their nukes?

This one is written and will have to be ratified by the Congress.
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