schmellba99 said:

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Today is the day your state rent check, local government tax fees and school funding checks are due.

I realize a whole lot don't even bother looking at this because your mortgage company escrows for you instead of you doing it yourself (they thank you for that interest they earn off of your money, BTW), but it would do you good to look at your annual "you still get to live on the property you own" fee to the state so you at least know how bad you are taking it in the kiester from state and local governments.

Oh, your W2's should be coming as well, so you'll get to see how much the feds bend you over.

Isn't this time of year grand?

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Thanks for the reminder! I would have missed yesterday's due date if not. I sure miss my escrow account.

Bubblez said:

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BearJew13 said:

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I view this as similar but different. You can effectively opt out of HOA dues by not living in a community with a HOA. You can't opt out of real estate taxes.

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Yeah you can. Go find an island somewhere far, far away from civilization. If you want to live in a first world country, there is a cost of doing business.

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Or we could fund our government by the fair tax system with it's prebates to make it regressive and make EVERYONE a stakeholder who will know every time the federal and state scum want more.

And have the state collect the money and be the one to send the federal scum their portuon.

geoag58 said:

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Bubblez said:

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BearJew13 said:

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I view this as similar but different. You can effectively opt out of HOA dues by not living in a community with a HOA. You can't opt out of real estate taxes.

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Yeah you can. Go find an island somewhere far, far away from civilization. If you want to live in a first world country, there is a cost of doing business.

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Or we could fund our government by the fair tax system with it's prebatesto make it regressive and make EVERYONE a stakeholder who will know every time the federal and state scum want more.

And have the state collect the money and be the one to send the federal scum their portuon.

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Can you expand on the part in bold?

DTP02 said:

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geoag58 said:

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Bubblez said:

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BearJew13 said:

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I view this as similar but different. You can effectively opt out of HOA dues by not living in a community with a HOA. You can't opt out of real estate taxes.

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Yeah you can. Go find an island somewhere far, far away from civilization. If you want to live in a first world country, there is a cost of doing business.

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Or we could fund our government by the fair tax system with it's prebatesto make it regressive and make EVERYONE a stakeholder who will know every time the federal and state scum want more.

And have the state collect the money and be the one to send the federal scum their portuon.

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Can you expand on the part in bold?

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When the plan was first introduced in 1999 by John Linder there would be a national 22 percent sales tax to replace all income taxes. The prebate is a payment to every man woman and child in America . When written the amount was five hundred dollars monthly per person. The idea being that those making under a certain amount, those that live paycheck to paycheck, would not pay taxes. The tax would apply to NEW items ONLY at the retail level.

The problem is it would make a lot of luxury items increase in price by twenty two percent hurting their sales. And it would encourage a black market.

One thing it would do is have illegals paying a twenty two percent tax and encourage them to apply for citizenship or get no prebate and pay twenty two percent tax on things they buy.

geoag58 said:

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DTP02 said:

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geoag58 said:

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Bubblez said:

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BearJew13 said:

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I view this as similar but different. You can effectively opt out of HOA dues by not living in a community with a HOA. You can't opt out of real estate taxes.

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Yeah you can. Go find an island somewhere far, far away from civilization. If you want to live in a first world country, there is a cost of doing business.

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Or we could fund our government by the fair tax system with it's prebatesto make it regressive and make EVERYONE a stakeholder who will know every time the federal and state scum want more.

And have the state collect the money and be the one to send the federal scum their portuon.

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Can you expand on the part in bold?

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When the plan was first introduced in 1999 by John Linder there would be a national 22 percent sales tax to replace all income taxes. The prebate is a payment to every man woman and child in America . When written the amount was five hundred dollars monthly per person. The idea being that those making under a certain amount, those that live paycheck to paycheck, would not pay taxes. The tax would apply to NEW items ONLY at the retail level.

The problem is it would make a lot of luxury items increase in price by twenty two percent hurting their sales. And it would encourage a black market.

One thing it would do is have illegals paying a twenty two percent tax and encourage them to apply for citizenship or get no prebate and pay twenty two percent tax on things they buy.

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I'm not against it in theory, but implementing it in a consumer-driven economy would likely crash this whole house of cards. If we survived, things would be a lot more stable and sound, but the transition could well be so devastating that it's not worth the pain.

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Tea Party said:

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End withholding and this problem will go away very quickly if everyone had to write a check instead of getting conditioned to the government hand in their pocket every two weeks.

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FWIW Withholding is completely Unconstitutional and was an emergency temporary measure brought about in 1944 as we were running out of money and fighting the War. FDR truly understood how to not let a crisis go to waste. Prior to that there were income taxes but they only impacted a small number of people because they had to write checks and the government didn't have the guts to tax people like they do now. Withholding not only made employers into the tax collectors it allowed the government to be the nice guy that gives people refunds with their own money they kept interest free from them. Oh but if you owe you pay interest and penalties of course.

Best government scam ever.

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I saw a good documentary on Google about the income tax (this was when YouTube was in its infancy).

Some guy in Ohio actually won his case against the IRS and pays no income taxes (not the same as investment income taxes).

The basis was he had no SS#. By getting a SS# from the gov. and then giving your employer your SS#, you are effectively asking to pay income tax. It was pretty interesting.

DTP02 said:

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geoag58 said:

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DTP02 said:

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geoag58 said:

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Bubblez said:

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BearJew13 said:

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I view this as similar but different. You can effectively opt out of HOA dues by not living in a community with a HOA. You can't opt out of real estate taxes.

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Yeah you can. Go find an island somewhere far, far away from civilization. If you want to live in a first world country, there is a cost of doing business.

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Or we could fund our government by the fair tax system with it's prebatesto make it regressive and make EVERYONE a stakeholder who will know every time the federal and state scum want more.

And have the state collect the money and be the one to send the federal scum their portuon.

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Can you expand on the part in bold?

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When the plan was first introduced in 1999 by John Linder there would be a national 22 percent sales tax to replace all income taxes. The prebate is a payment to every man woman and child in America . When written the amount was five hundred dollars monthly per person. The idea being that those making under a certain amount, those that live paycheck to paycheck, would not pay taxes. The tax would apply to NEW items ONLY at the retail level.

The problem is it would make a lot of luxury items increase in price by twenty two percent hurting their sales. And it would encourage a black market.

One thing it would do is have illegals paying a twenty two percent tax and encourage them to apply for citizenship or get no prebate and pay twenty two percent tax on things they buy.

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I'm not against it in theory, but implementing it in a consumer-driven economy would likely crash this whole house of cards. If we survived, things would be a lot more stable and sound, but the transition could well be so devastating that it's not worth the pain.

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It was designed to be revenue neutral but would hit the very rich, and industries that supply them with expensive toys, the hardest because it would close so many loopholes. On the other hand everyone would instantly know when the feds wanted more and it would do away with most of the tax code.

Maybe after the inevitable crash the people who are left can try it out.

Teslag said:

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deddog said:

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Teslag said:

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So happy I pay nothing in property taxes

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you live out of your car?

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100% VA disability rating. Exempt from property taxes and vehicle registration

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more fraud from the fraudster.

agracer said:

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aggie93 said:

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Tea Party said:

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End withholding and this problem will go away very quickly if everyone had to write a check instead of getting conditioned to the government hand in their pocket every two weeks.

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FWIW Withholding is completely Unconstitutional and was an emergency temporary measure brought about in 1944 as we were running out of money and fighting the War. FDR truly understood how to not let a crisis go to waste. Prior to that there were income taxes but they only impacted a small number of people because they had to write checks and the government didn't have the guts to tax people like they do now. Withholding not only made employers into the tax collectors it allowed the government to be the nice guy that gives people refunds with their own money they kept interest free from them. Oh but if you owe you pay interest and penalties of course.

Best government scam ever.

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I saw a good documentary on Google about the income tax (this was when YouTube was in its infancy).

Some guy in Ohio actually won his case against the IRS and pays no income taxes (not the same as investment income taxes).

The basis was he had no SS#. By getting a SS# from the gov. and then giving your employer your SS#, you are effectively asking to pay income tax. It was pretty interesting.

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The only way the system works is with voluntary compliance. The underlying law Constitutionally is pretty murky but now it would be devastating to get rid of Withholding and for mass numbers of people to opt out. They have set things up so it is almost impossible not to participate. That's by design.

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Teslag said:

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deddog said:

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Teslag said:

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So happy I pay nothing in property taxes

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you live out of your car?

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100% VA disability rating. Exempt from property taxes and vehicle registration

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more fraud from the fraudster.

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It's quite legal and specified by Texas state law

Teslag said:

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deddog said:

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Teslag said:

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So happy I pay nothing in property taxes

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you live out of your car?

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100% VA disability rating. Exempt from property taxes and vehicle registration

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I hate property taxes. But I would gladly rather pay property taxes and not be disabled than be truly disabled and get some sort of exemption from paying them. There are different types of "disability" though. Some so crippled up they are unable to drive, to work, to walk even. I have seen a couple of folks like that. Others do everything they have always done, including baling hay and other hard labor, yet are on the nipple. I have seen way more like that.

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BTKAG97 said:

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Escrow account funds cannot be used for investments. Escrow accounts are net losers for mortgage companies. The real money comes from loan modifications.

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The smaller lenders LOVE selling off your mortgage to a powerhouse days within you signing the papers.

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They have to if they want to keep making loans.

DTP02 said:

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geoag58 said:

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DTP02 said:

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geoag58 said:

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Bubblez said:

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BearJew13 said:

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I view this as similar but different. You can effectively opt out of HOA dues by not living in a community with a HOA. You can't opt out of real estate taxes.

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Yeah you can. Go find an island somewhere far, far away from civilization. If you want to live in a first world country, there is a cost of doing business.

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Or we could fund our government by the fair tax system with it's prebatesto make it regressive and make EVERYONE a stakeholder who will know every time the federal and state scum want more.

And have the state collect the money and be the one to send the federal scum their portuon.

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Can you expand on the part in bold?

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When the plan was first introduced in 1999 by John Linder there would be a national 22 percent sales tax to replace all income taxes. The prebate is a payment to every man woman and child in America . When written the amount was five hundred dollars monthly per person. The idea being that those making under a certain amount, those that live paycheck to paycheck, would not pay taxes. The tax would apply to NEW items ONLY at the retail level.

The problem is it would make a lot of luxury items increase in price by twenty two percent hurting their sales. And it would encourage a black market.

One thing it would do is have illegals paying a twenty two percent tax and encourage them to apply for citizenship or get no prebate and pay twenty two percent tax on things they buy.

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I'm not against it in theory, but implementing it in a consumer-driven economy would likely crash this whole house of cards. If we survived, things would be a lot more stable and sound, but the transition could well be so devastating that it's not worth the pain.

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What is the basis of your theory on this? Simply because prices increase the economic system would crash? Hell, we are seeing that right now...without the benefit of our paychecks no longer havng taxes withdrawn from them.

If anything, we've seen that sharp rises in pricing on items has short term effects on most people, then after they adjust life continues more or less unchanged.

Teslag said:

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agracer said:

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Teslag said:

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deddog said:

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Teslag said:

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So happy I pay nothing in property taxes

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you live out of your car?

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100% VA disability rating. Exempt from property taxes and vehicle registration

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more fraud from the fraudster.

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It's quite legal and specified by Texas state law

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The definitions need to change, because 100% disability should mean you are in need of a caretaker 24/7. You aren't in that capacity by any stretch and are capable of producing as a citizen.

schmellba99 said:

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Teslag said:

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agracer said:

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Teslag said:

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deddog said:

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Teslag said:

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So happy I pay nothing in property taxes

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you live out of your car?

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100% VA disability rating. Exempt from property taxes and vehicle registration

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more fraud from the fraudster.

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It's quite legal and specified by Texas state law

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The definitions need to change, because 100% disability should mean you are in need of a caretaker 24/7. You aren't in that capacity by any stretch and are capable of producing as a citizen.

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It's common misconception that a 100% disability rating is 100% disabled. It really means that the veteran has exhausted all of the rating and cannot rate any higher nor receive any more money for his/her rating.

There are other levels where the veteran is immobile or helpless and they don't get more money but they get other benefits as far as in home care, cleaning etc.

Texas needs to change the law that only veterans who rate 100% due to combat injuries can receive the tax exemption. I've never seen anyone brag about the 100% like Teslag has. It's pretty embarrassing for veterans.

I'm fine with it because I've helped so many others get 100%. I'd happily get nothing if I can keep helping more,

I bet I can get any veteran at least 50% legitimately without lying or fraud. Most just don't file for legitimate issues.

Teslag said:

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I'm fine with it because I've helped so many others get 100%. I'd happily get nothing if I can keep helping more,

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You're so full of *****

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Having to do payroll each week I make sure to remind all of my employees how much it costs to employee them and then show them how much they get to take home. Most have no idea employers match their SS, FICA and unemployment taxes.

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Back in the olden days of the 90s when I helped run payroll for a 10k+ employee base, our financial models had us (the employer) paying 33% of base salaries for "benefits". FICA, FUTA, SUTA, Worker's Comp, general liability insurance, 401k match, health insurance, you name it. I'm still amazed anyone wants to start a legitimate business in the US.