When does Trump have to pay $355 MM?

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10:01p, 11/13/24


Is this order constitutional when Defendant Trump is President of the United States?
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10:05p, 11/13/24
New York court of appeals is set to toss this.

Op must be devastated
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In reply to Stat Monitor Repairman • 6:09a, 11/14/24
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Is this order constitutional when Defendant Trump is President of the United States?


Yes

If this order survives appeal (which most on both sides don't expect) the issue becomes enforcement. If Trump violates the order, the judge can't force him to appear in court etc
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In reply to itsyourboypookie • 6:12a, 11/14/24
itsyourboypookie said:
New York court of appeals is set to toss this.

Op must be devastated

Why? I simply asked a question. Go back and read the words.
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In reply to fc2112 • 7:58a, 11/14/24
fc2112 said:


Read the words like when you were literally counting down the days? lol

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In reply to Im Gipper • 8:13a, 11/14/24
Point?
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8:17a, 11/14/24
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Try and enforce it, libs.
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In reply to strbrst777 • 8:47a, 11/14/24
strbrst777 said:
Never!


This appears to be the correct answer. Collect your 50 texags bucks from PO box 1212, located in the steam tunnels.
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In reply to fc2112 • 8:51a, 11/14/24
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fc2112 said:
Point?
I could be wrong but I think that deplorable piece of garbage is saying "ha, ha, ha, you lose." But, he'd have to confirm that to be sure.
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In reply to HarleySpoon • 8:55a, 11/14/24
The point is very clear. He was giddily counting down the days like a kid waiting for Christmas!

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In reply to Im Gipper • 9:53a, 11/14/24
Im Gipper said:
The point is very clear. He was giddily counting down the days like a kid waiting for Christmas!
In your mind
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10:43a, 11/14/24
I have diagnosed the thread and proper medication will anchor thread.
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In reply to fc2112 • 10:44a, 11/14/24
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fc2112 said:
Im Gipper said:
The point is very clear. He was giddily counting down the days like a kid waiting for Christmas!
In your mind
So why were you counting down then?
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12:30p, 8/8/25
Appeal is STILL pending... But DOJ looking at civil rights violation for Leticia James.

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In reply to will25u • 12:37p, 8/8/25
Pursue disbarment. And go after "judge" Marchan.
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In reply to will25u • 1:05p, 8/8/25
Everybody watching this unfold knew what was happening to DJT was wrong...except the OP.

Glad things are moving in the right direction.
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9:27a, 8/11/25
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And guess who Queen Letitia has hired to defend her… good ol Abbe Lowell.

He starts by pointing out she has been targeted by Trump DOJ and how corrupt it is to target your political opponents.

That dude may have knowledge of the law but he has zero respect it.

https://www.msnbc.com/ali-velshi/watch/ny-ag-james-attorney-abbe-lowell-trump-has-turned-the-doj-into-the-department-of-weaponization-244673093579
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 9:31a, 8/11/25
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flown-the-coop said:
And guess who Queen Letitia has hired to defend her… good ol Abbe Lowell.

He starts by pointing out she has been targeted by Trump DOJ and how corrupt it is to target your political opponents.

That dude may have knowledge of the law but he has zero respect it.

https://www.msnbc.com/ali-velshi/watch/ny-ag-james-attorney-abbe-lowell-trump-has-turned-the-doj-into-the-department-of-weaponization-244673093579




Uh…..

Is that not what they've been doing the last several years?
The left cannot kill the Spirit of Charlie Kirk.
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 9:33a, 8/11/25
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That dude may have knowledge of the law but he has zero respect it.

LOL. Bet Hunter Biden wouldn't agree. He really botched his cases. Dude still needed a massive pardon from Daddy after Abbe had worked his "legal magic."
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In reply to aggiehawg • 9:48a, 8/11/25
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I did say "may" as I really have no idea. But you bring a good point about not delivering for Hunter on the deal.
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 9:51a, 8/11/25
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flown-the-coop said:
I did say "may" as I really have no idea. But you bring a good point about not delivering for Hunter on the deal.

Tishy better get a second opinion if Abbe brings her a plea deal. That didn't work out so well for Hunter.
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In reply to fc2112 • 9:52a, 8/21/25
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fc2112 said:
There has to be a deadline, eight? If appealing, he still has to put up?

Does he have $355 MM liquid? How do the finances work on this?

Short answer. Never.

NY Appeals just tossed it aside.

https://www.wral.com/story/appeals-court-throws-out-massive-civil-fraud-penalty-against-president-donald-trump/22126123/

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NEW YORK (AP) An appeals court has thrown out the massive civil fraud penalty against President Donald Trump, ruling Thursday in New York state's lawsuit accusing him of exaggerating his wealth.

The decision came seven months after the Republican returned to the White House. A panel of five judges in New York's mid-level Appellate Division said the verdict, which stood to cost Trump more than $515 million and rock his real estate empire, was "excessive."

After finding that Trump engaged in fraud by flagrantly padding financial statements that went to lenders and insurers, Judge Arthur Engoron ordered him last year to pay $355 million in penalties. With interest, the sum has topped $515 million.

The total combined with penalties levied on some other Trump Organization executives, including Trump's sons Eric and Donald Jr. now exceeds $527 million, with interest.

"While the injunctive relief ordered by the court is well crafted to curb defendants' business culture, the court's disgorgement order, which directs that defendants pay nearly half a billion dollars to the State of New York, is an excessive fine that violates the Eighth Amendment of the United States Constitution," Judges Dianne T. Renwick and Peter H. Moulton wrote in one of several opinions shaping the appeals court's ruling.

Engoron also imposed other punishments, such as banning Trump and his two eldest sons from serving in corporate leadership for a few years. Those provisions have been on pause during Trump's appeal, and he was able to hold off collection of the money by posting a $175 million bond.

The court, which was split on the merits of the lawsuit and the lower court's fraud finding, dismissed the penalty Engoron imposed in its entirety while also leaving a pathway for further appeals to the state's highest court, the Court of Appeals.

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In reply to flown-the-coop • 9:54a, 8/21/25
flown-the-coop said:
fc2112 said:
There has to be a deadline, eight? If appealing, he still has to put up?

Does he have $355 MM liquid? How do the finances work on this?

Short answer. Never.

NY Appeals just tossed it aside. Link incoming.

ohhhhh thats gonna upset the OP.
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9:58a, 8/21/25
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Trump these days be like...
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In reply to Apollo79 • 10:03a, 8/21/25
Apollo79 said:
flown-the-coop said:
fc2112 said:
There has to be a deadline, eight? If appealing, he still has to put up?

Does he have $355 MM liquid? How do the finances work on this?

Short answer. Never.

NY Appeals just tossed it aside. Link incoming.

ohhhhh thats gonna upset the OP.

Why would you think that? Cite quotes of mine that suggested I was happy about this.
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 10:17a, 8/21/25
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flown-the-coop said:


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The court, which was split on the merits of the lawsuit and the lower court's fraud finding, dismissed the penalty Engoron imposed in its entirety while also leaving a pathway for further appeals to the state's highest court, the Court of Appeals.


It is disappointing that they split on the merits instead of overturning on the merits. Setting aside the penalty on 8th amendment grounds is nice, but the finding of fraud when no bank suffered or claimed any damages, and said they would continue to do business with Trump, is absurd.
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In reply to VegasAg86 • 10:22a, 8/21/25
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It is disappointing that they split on the merits instead of overturning on the merits. Setting aside the penalty on 8th amendment grounds is nice, but the finding of fraud when no bank suffered or claimed any damages, and said they would continue to do business with Trump, is absurd.

This case was a massive distortion of a state statute. I suspect the Court of Appeals will address that misuse.
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In reply to fc2112 • 10:23a, 8/21/25
fc2112 said:

SORRY YOUR COUNTDOWN LOST!!!

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In reply to Im Gipper • 10:28a, 8/21/25
Im Gipper said:
fc2112 said:

SORRY YOUR COUNTDOWN LOST!!!

That does not indicate I was happy about this. Try again.
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In reply to fc2112 • 10:32a, 8/21/25
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fc2112 said:
Im Gipper said:
fc2112 said:

SORRY YOUR COUNTDOWN LOST!!!

That does not indicate I was happy about this. Try again.

The number of people who think it means you're happy indicates you didn't communicate clearly.
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In reply to VegasAg86 • 10:38a, 8/21/25
VegasAg86 said:
fc2112 said:
Im Gipper said:
fc2112 said:

SORRY YOUR COUNTDOWN LOST!!!

That does not indicate I was happy about this. Try again.

The number of people who think it means you're happy indicates you didn't communicate clearly. their bias

FIFY
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In reply to VegasAg86 • 10:39a, 8/21/25
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VegasAg86 said:
flown-the-coop said:


Quote:
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The court, which was split on the merits of the lawsuit and the lower court's fraud finding, dismissed the penalty Engoron imposed in its entirety while also leaving a pathway for further appeals to the state's highest court, the Court of Appeals.


It is disappointing that they split on the merits instead of overturning on the merits. Setting aside the penalty on 8th amendment grounds is nice, but the finding of fraud when no bank suffered or claimed any damages, and said they would continue to do business with Trump, is absurd.

My understanding is the split still allows for Trump to appeal those areas for a more complete exoneration / dismissal.

The added benefit of it not being completely tossed is it allows Letitia to keep twisting herself all up. She is already yelling about how she is not giving up this fight.

Good, you go get him Tish!
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 10:41a, 8/21/25
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My understanding is the split still allows for Trump to appeal those areas for a more complete exoneration / dismissal.

The added benefit of it not being completely tossed is it allows Letitia to keep twisting herself all up. She is already yelling about how she is not giving up this fight.

Tish would be better advised to turn her attention to her own legal troubles.
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In reply to VegasAg86 • 11:07a, 8/21/25
He was just concerned. Moderately of course. That's why he kept looking for jpgs.

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11:08a, 8/21/25
"We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution."

- Abraham Lincoln
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