B-1 83 said:

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Gaeilge said:

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ELON MUSK JOINED TRUMP'S CALL WITH ZELENSKY - AXIOS.

— FinancialJuice (@financialjuice) November 8, 2024

Oh...and Elon was on the call as well. I'm thinking this call consisted of "You're not going to see another dime and you better be ready to sit your ass down."

Your thoughts?

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Do people really think Trump will cut Ukraine off?
Bwahahahahahaha……get ready to be seriously disappointed. He's not letting Putin have all of Ukraine. Fortunately, he smarter than the TexAgs Putin lovers.

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Trump will have Ukraine - Russia settled by next June. Mark it.

Watch Tucker's interview with Putin. Putin goes in to the history of how Ukraine was never really a separate country. Also, Putin talks about how Biden shot down a peace deal.

Yukon Cornelius said:

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We started it. We kept it going when they had a peace agreement. It's what we do. We start wars.

Time to end that way of thinking and behavior.

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No. Putin wanted Ukraine to be a part of Russia. That's it. It wasn't NATO. Or the CIA. Or Nazis. Of any of that.

It was simply land grab. He just didn't expect Ukrainians to really really not want to be Russians.

Yukon Cornelius said:

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We started it. We kept it going when they had a peace agreement. It's what we do. We start wars.

Time to end that way of thinking and behavior.

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We started nothing. Putin drove his tanks over the border...he's a megalomaniac and wants Ukraine and the Baltic states back in the old club again.

Gigem314 said:

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I think Trump will continue aid...but it might come with conditions now moving forward. I could absolutely see him making certain demands and not just giving Ukraine a blank check with no plan.

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This is a great bargain. Ukraine gets what they need, and no one else (politicians, MIC, etc.) skim from it.

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Teslag said:

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They are notoriously paranoid and further surrounding them is not going to work out well.

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And yet, they did just this by having Finland and Sweden now join NATO over the past year as a result of this war. Finland in NATO was another of their supposed "red lines".

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Uh......not really. Russians never have had any concerns about those two countries....read: non-threatening.

Ukraine on the other hand, has always been their "red line in the sand!" Historically. History. Centuries of it.

If Kamala, and the Biden Administration had not mouthed off about bringing Ukraine into NATO, then maybe none of this would have happened....

Harris/Biden Ukaine NATO

Plenty of news reports around that time frame.

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Except Russia had already taken Crimea and begun stirring trouble in eastern Ukraine long before that. This was planned quite some time ago and had nothing to do with NATO.

Russia wanted to take control of Ukraine like they did Belarus but due to the willingness of the US and Europe to get involved, a wrench was thrown in the works. Then it looked like they'd try a more aggressive variant of what they're doing in Georgia. However, Trump screwed with that during his term by beginning to provide aid annd training that enabled Ukraine to more effectively combat Russian shenanigans in Donbas.

What precipitated this war was Biden's projection of weakness once Putin began amassing troops along the border and claiming it to be a "training exercise". The Biden administration whizzed down their leg and tripped over themselves to back down and signal that they weren't going to do anything in opposition, while lots of others waved it off as a bluff. Both of these were exactly the worst things you can do, as Russia and Putin historically shrink from opposing strength and take advantage of weakness. Hence, Russia proceeded as planned since we effectively gave them the green light.

This is also exactly why Trump isn't going to outright bail on Ukraine. Doing so will be seen as a sign of weakness by Putin and will signal to him that future acts in the same vein will pay dividends. China will also receive the same message. Trump will force negotiations but he will also ensure that Russia pays a sufficient price so as to leave a bad taste in their mouth, deterring future jackassery on his watch and sending a message to China that any juice they may get from screwing around with us will similarly not be with the squeeze.

Yukon Cornelius said:

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100% incorrect. You are regurgitating propaganda by the same people who also told you weapons of mass destruction were in Iraq and we needed to start that war.

If this war is so important to get on a plane and join the meat grinder. I heard Ukraine is looking for warm bodies.

If it's not that important then again I ask you Kindly. stfu. let's put an end to the senseless killing and destruction.

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I'm basing it on Putins own written words and interviews.

And mostly, his actions.

Yukon Cornelius said:

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100% incorrect. You are regurgitating propaganda by the same people who also told you weapons of mass destruction were in Iraq and we needed to start that war.

If this war is so important to get on a plane and join the meat grinder. I heard Ukraine is looking for warm bodies.

If it's not that important then again I ask you Kindly. stfu. let's put an end to the senseless killing and destruction.

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I've got Putin on line one. He wants to know what this putting an end to senseless killing and destruction things you speak of are.

I guess he, and too many Americans, don't want to accept that Putin started it on his own and he can finish it on his own whenever he wants.

The only "Bad Guy" (i.e. invaded a country causing mass death and destruction for no reason) is Putin.

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B-1 83 said:

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Gaeilge said:

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ELON MUSK JOINED TRUMP'S CALL WITH ZELENSKY - AXIOS.

— FinancialJuice (@financialjuice) November 8, 2024

Oh...and Elon was on the call as well. I'm thinking this call consisted of "You're not going to see another dime and you better be ready to sit your ass down."

Your thoughts?

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Do people really think Trump will cut Ukraine of?
Bwahahahahahaha……get ready to be seriously disappointed. He's not letting Putin have all of Ukraine. Fortunately, he smarter than the TexAgs Putin lovers.

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I think Ukraine and Russia were to meet in Turkey with terms to end the war over a year ago and USA/NATO sent Boris Johnson to squash it so we could keep funding and running a shadow forever war. Trump will get them back to the table with their terms and end the senseless killing.

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When is the last time Russia negotiated something in good faith? Ukraine knows any agreement with Russia isn't worth the paper it's printed on. No one needed to "squash it so we could keep funding and running a shadow forever war," because Ukraine isn't stupid enough to agree to it again.

Yukon Cornelius said:

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Everyone who wants the war to continue should go over there and fight.

If you're not willing to do that stfu and support the ending of this pointless war started by democrats and Kamala.

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The only person who wanted this war is sitting in Moscow, surrounded by security and luxury, continuing to conscript tens of thousand of the Russian poor and minority classes to hurl to their deaths as he pursues his personal legacy of returning Russia to the imperial behemoth of days gone by.

Granted, others are now taking advantage of it but there's only one guy largely responsible for lighting the fire and continuing to shovel coal into the boiler.

Yukon Cornelius said:

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It really amazes me people can't think in complex terms.
It's not black and white.
It's not good guy vs bad guy. It's bad guy vs bad guy orchestrated by another bad guy so a 4th bad guy can get rich.

Here's some advice. You don't have to fall victim to the false dichotomy that you have to pick a side and support them endlessly.

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I appreciate the advice, but in the end, everyone's a bad guy to someone, so I'll call that a wash.

That still doesn't mean Putin didn't invade unprovoked, nor does it mean he can't end it whenever he wants.

You do agree, that Putin invaded Ukraine unprovoked and that he can end his invasion whenever he wants, right?

Yukon Cornelius said:

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It really amazes me people can't think in complex terms.
It's not black and white.
It's not good guy vs bad guy. It's bad guy vs bad guy orchestrated by another bad guy so a 4th bad guy can get rich.

Here's some advice. You don't have to fall victim to the false dichotomy that you have to pick a side and support them endlessly.

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It also doesn't mean you have to give Russia and Putin a free pass to what they have done

Artorias said:

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B-1 83 said:

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On the contrary, I'm showing off 60+ years of being raised by a dad who is a veteran of 3 wars and studied Russia and Russian mentality for years. Any capitulation to Russian is in Putin's favor and strengthens Russia. Sorry your world view is so narrow and short sighted due to what ever "education" you received.

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So are you willing to put US soldiers on the ground in Ukraine? Because that is the only way UKE is getting the land back, and it will end up with dead US soldiers. Maybe your kids can be on the front lines of fighting against the "capitulation", mine sure won't be.

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Classic f16….. Jump to baseless conclusions much?

Yukon Cornelius said:

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100% incorrect. You are regurgitating propaganda by the same people who also told you weapons of mass destruction were in Iraq and we needed to start that war.

If this war is so important to get on a plane and join the meat grinder. I heard Ukraine is looking for warm bodies.

If it's not that important then again I ask you Kindly. stfu. let's put an end to the senseless killing and destruction.

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Why are children posting here?

The notion that ones support of a military action can only be shown by actively engaging in said act is stupidity personified. That's akin to me saying, as a vet, "unless you served shut the **** up about military affairs".

Grow up.

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Teslag said:

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The hope is with Trump there isn't a NEED for more aid. The best case scenario for all involved is a negotiated peace along current lines, Ukraine in NATO, Russia gets their eastern gains, and that's it. It's over. Trump can get that deal done.

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Not happening.

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More than likely happening. There's not really anything Putin can do to stop that. It also freezes the lines there in perpetuity.

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No to NATO. Just give them their nukes back.

(GASP!!! We can't do that. Yeah, we can and we should!)

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That just may be the answer. Taiwan the same. (You can be Japan has privately). Anti-proliferation was ruined by W going into Iraq and Obama backing attacking Libya. With it gone, let those two have some protection from their neighboring guerilla hostiles. Just as Israel does.

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Artorias said:

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B-1 83 said:

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On the contrary, I'm showing off 60+ years of being raised by a dad who is a veteran of 3 wars and studied Russia and Russian mentality for years. Any capitulation to Russian is in Putin's favor and strengthens Russia. Sorry your world view is so narrow and short sighted due to what ever "education" you received.

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So are you willing to put US soldiers on the ground in Ukraine? Because that is the only way UKE is getting the land back, and it will end up with dead US soldiers. Maybe your kids can be on the front lines of fighting against the "capitulation", mine sure won't be.

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Classic f16….. Jump to baseless conclusions much?

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Then define "any capitulation" for us. Or you can continue to name call and refuse to support your argument.

Yukon Cornelius said:

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It really amazes me people can't think in complex terms.
It's not black and white.
It's not good guy vs bad guy. It's bad guy vs bad guy orchestrated by another bad guy so a 4th bad guy can get rich.

Here's some advice. You don't have to fall victim to the false dichotomy that you have to pick a side and support them endlessly.

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There are certainly degrees of "bad" in describing bad guys. For example - in this case one bad guy decided to try and take over an entire country who never attacked them and start a war that he could stop whenever he wants to. Please enlighten us what, specifically, the other "bad guys" have done that has come anywhere close to causing the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people.

Yukon Cornelius said:

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Everyone who wants the war to continue should go over there and fight.

If you're not willing to do that stfu and support the ending of this pointless war started by democrats and Kamala.

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Always a stupid take. Uh, if you favor a side in a war you should go fight in it. Nobody wants it to continue, but only a short sighted, historically ignorant fool wants to throw Ukraine back to Russia.

oh good another expert on Putin here to lecture so matter of factly on the value of Russia's word, everything Ukraine knows and doesn't know, and dispute Boris Johnson's efforts in Turkie last year. so persuasive! now I'm sold! let's just spend a trillion on Ukraine now! Let's start a hot war and send my sons please! Kill em all!!! YEAH!!!

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Gigem314 said:

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I think Trump will continue aid...but it might come with conditions now moving forward. I could absolutely see him making certain demands and not just giving Ukraine a blank check with no plan.

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This is a great bargain. Ukraine gets what they need, and no one else (politicians, MIC, etc.) skim from it.

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It's what Trump does...he makes deals. Some aren't as good as others, but he's constantly looking for leverage to help the U.S.

I would imagine he'll have a conversation with Putin as well.

There was a report that Europe is poised to buy more oil from America instead of Russia as a result of the election. Maybe Trump can find a bargaining chip to Russia to back down.

Artorias said:

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B-1 83 said:

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Artorias said:

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B-1 83 said:

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On the contrary, I'm showing off 60+ years of being raised by a dad who is a veteran of 3 wars and studied Russia and Russian mentality for years. Any capitulation to Russian is in Putin's favor and strengthens Russia. Sorry your world view is so narrow and short sighted due to what ever "education" you received.

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So are you willing to put US soldiers on the ground in Ukraine? Because that is the only way UKE is getting the land back, and it will end up with dead US soldiers. Maybe your kids can be on the front lines of fighting against the "capitulation", mine sure won't be.

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Classic f16….. Jump to baseless conclusions much?

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Then define "any capitulation" for us. Or you can continue to name call and refuse to support your argument.

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Name call? I'm not the one who called opposing opinions "Low IQ". "Capitulation" to Putin means abandoning Ukraine and leaving them defenseless against Putin in a poor defensive position and missing their key resources to recover.

Another " perfect call"

We are sooo fn back !!!

Funky Winkerbean said:

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B-1 83 said:

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Gaeilge said:

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ELON MUSK JOINED TRUMP'S CALL WITH ZELENSKY - AXIOS.

— FinancialJuice (@financialjuice) November 8, 2024

Oh...and Elon was on the call as well. I'm thinking this call consisted of "You're not going to see another dime and you better be ready to sit your ass down."

Your thoughts?

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Do people really think Trump will cut Ukraine off?
Bwahahahahahaha……get ready to be seriously disappointed. He's not letting Putin have all of Ukraine. Fortunately, he smarter than the TexAgs Putin lovers.

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Wanting to stop a war makes one a "Putin lover"? Please, tell us more.

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Not admitting Putin didn't have to invade and that he can stop whenever he wants to, sure would make it seem that way.

B-1 83 said:

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Artorias said:

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Artorias said:

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B-1 83 said:

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On the contrary, I'm showing off 60+ years of being raised by a dad who is a veteran of 3 wars and studied Russia and Russian mentality for years. Any capitulation to Russian is in Putin's favor and strengthens Russia. Sorry your world view is so narrow and short sighted due to what ever "education" you received.

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So are you willing to put US soldiers on the ground in Ukraine? Because that is the only way UKE is getting the land back, and it will end up with dead US soldiers. Maybe your kids can be on the front lines of fighting against the "capitulation", mine sure won't be.

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Classic f16….. Jump to baseless conclusions much?

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Then define "any capitulation" for us. Or you can continue to name call and refuse to support your argument.

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Name call? I'm not the one who called opposing opinions "Low IQ". "Capitulation" to Putin means abandoning Ukraine and leaving them defenseless against Putin in a poor defensive position and missing their key resources to recover.

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Yes, name call. You started it in your very first post with "Putin lovers". If you can't take it, don't dish it.

So when you said "any capitulation", you didn't really mean "any" because one cannot really argue that giving Putin/Russia the parts of east UKE they now control would not be capitulating.

Gigem314 said:

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Gigem314 said:

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I think Trump will continue aid...but it might come with conditions now moving forward. I could absolutely see him making certain demands and not just giving Ukraine a blank check with no plan.

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This is a great bargain. Ukraine gets what they need, and no one else (politicians, MIC, etc.) skim from it.

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It's what Trump does...he makes deals. Some aren't as good as others, but he's constantly looking for leverage to help the U.S.

I would imagine he'll have a conversation with Putin as well.

There was a report that Europe is poised to buy more oil from America instead of Russia as a result of the election. Maybe Trump can find a bargaining chip to Russia to back down.

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It's going to be very interesting to see what he's able to do. It's not the cluster f*k that is Israel and the ME, but it's up there.

From everything he said about things over there, I definitely think he's up to the task.

Hungry Ojos said:

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I believe Trump is on record saying that US would no longer just give Ukraine money, I believe he wants to lend them money to be paid back at a later date

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Secured by what?

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Wheat

Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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This conflict stole money from the American people and funneled it back to campaign funds and making democrats, the war industrial complex, and their buddies (some republicans) rich.

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At least we got a lot of dead Russians out of the deal, right?

/warmongers

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Hungry Ojos said:

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Ag_SGT said:

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I believe Trump is on record saying that US would no longer just give Ukraine money, I believe he wants to lend them money to be paid back at a later date

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Secured by what?

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Wheat

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And royalties on energy for our American Operating Assets--throw Total and Shell out on their ass and give Exxon and Chevron exclusivity for a few years.

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oh good another expert on Putin here to lecture so matter of factly on the value of Russia's word, everything Ukraine knows and doesn't know, and dispute Boris Johnson's efforts in Turkie last year. so persuasive! now I'm sold! let's just spend a trillion on Ukraine now! Let's start a hot war and send my sons please! Kill em all!!! YEAH!!!

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That "peace deal" was nothing more than surrender…

Elon was on the call to buy Ukraine from Zelensky.