All the hate for the educated, elite libs

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8:48p, 11/8/24
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People please do your homework. This country is full of good, educated people. Why are we demonizing education? This is like supporting Hamas.

People who have Ivy League degrees:

Donald Trump
JD Vance
Elon Musk
Ron DeSantis
Ted Cruz
RFK Jr.



People who do not have Ivy League degrees:

Kamala Harris
Tim Walz
Nancy Pelosi
Bernie Sanders
Elizabeth Warren
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
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8:51p, 11/8/24
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Leave my outrage alone.
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8:52p, 11/8/24
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Obviously 90 percent of this board has degrees. We simply don't look down on those that don't.

Education does not mean intelligence or work ethic. That's the point.
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In reply to Danimal • 8:54p, 11/8/24
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Danimal said:
People please do your homework. This country is full of good, educated people. Why are we demonizing education? This is like supporting Hamas.

People who have Ivy League degrees:

Donald Trump
JD Vance
Elon Musk
Ron DeSantis
Ted Cruz
RFK Jr.



People who do not have Ivy League degrees:

Kamala Harris
Tim Walz
Nancy Pelosi
Bernie Sanders
Elizabeth Warren
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
I have zero hate for libs or anyone.

Libs do not like me.
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8:57p, 11/8/24
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Those that think a degree or credential deems them an expert.

A strange class of arrogant, busy bodies that think a degree (or particular degree) makes them above the "riff raff". That is the difference and a pivot point for the OP.

Logic required. Show your work. Engage in a discussion on how we solve the problem.
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In reply to e=mc2 • 8:57p, 11/8/24
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e=mc2 said:
Obviously 90 percent of this board has degrees. We simply don't look down on those that don't.

Education does not mean intelligence or work ethic. That's the point.
And Ivy League doesn't mean squat over other universities. In fact, Ivy League graduates these days are more likely to be DEI selections and grossly incompetent compared to graduates of those institutions from decades earlier.
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8:58p, 11/8/24
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I would love to have a beer with you, if you buy.

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In reply to Danimal • 9:00p, 11/8/24
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All the hate for the educated, elite elitist libs
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9:01p, 11/8/24
It's literally the same media talking point as 2016. Within a couple days all the liberal outlets (NPR, MSNBC, Colbert, Bill Maher, etc.) had coalesced around the narrative that large turnout among "uneducated whites" was the reason Trump beat Hillary. I wrote a commentary on it at the time, pointing out that none of those same media pundits ever thought to say Obama got elected because of "uneducated blacks" even though that was a demographic which turned out in historically high numbers for him.

And the thing is, there is absolutely nothing disqualifying about being "uneducated" whether you are black white or chartreuse. You still get to vote and your vote still carries the same weight. My point isn't to say they are wrong about non-college-graduates voting for Trump in higher numbers. It's to point out why they keep saying it. The fact that nobody ever ever ever has gone on national TV and said, "Obama won the uneducated black vote" is because the racial and prejudicial motivation of the person saying it would immediately be obvious to everyone listening. Even though the data is, strictly speaking, true, the only reason someone would want to frame the narrative that way would be to dog-whistle "black people are dumb ignorant lowlifes who don't have the intellect to make good voting choices".

That is exactly the payload of the media pundits and the entertainment actors like Colbert, Maddow, Stewart, etc. The only reason to keep saying "uneducated whites" is to dog-whistle "poor white folk are dumb ignorant lowlifes who don't have the intellect to make good voting choices".

But as others have pointed out this week -- please do keep telling people they are dumb and deplorable. It's how we are well on the way to a SCOTUS that actually follows the US Constitution for the first time in 3 generations.

Please... someone tell me I'm wrong. Someone give me the alternate explanation for why a talking head would have such a strong need to pair "uneducated white" together over and over? What's the charitable, gentle interpretation here? Include your explanation of how, if it is harmless and not entirely intended as a personal epithet, it has never been used to discuss the exact same dispassionate data analysis about "uneducated blacks".
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In reply to Danimal • 9:05p, 11/8/24
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In reply to Danimal • 9:05p, 11/8/24
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Please define "education" in the context you are referring to…like people being smart and knowing how to wire a house, chemistry, aerodynamics, or sending people out of our atmosphere…or people who spend six plus figures going to school to sit in a classroom and learn about white supremacy being behind every tree type of "education"?
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9:07p, 11/8/24
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"Let's make litter out of those literati!"

"That's too clever. You're one of THEM!"
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In reply to wannaggie • 9:10p, 11/8/24
wannaggie said:
It's literally the same media talking point as 2016. Within a couple days all the liberal outlets (NPR, MSNBC, Colbert, Bill Maher, etc.) had coalesced around the narrative that large turnout among "uneducated whites" was the reason Trump beat Hillary. I wrote a commentary on it at the time, pointing out that none of those same media pundits ever thought to say Obama got elected because of "uneducated blacks" even though that was a demographic which turned out in historically high numbers for him.

But as others have pointed out this week -- please do keep telling people they are dumb and deplorable. It's how we are well on the way to a SCOTUS that actually follows the US Constitution for the first time in 3 generations.
Good to have you back posting. One of txags best.
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9:11p, 11/8/24
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I don't know why you're demonizing education. You said "we" so let me ask you, why are you demonizing education?
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9:17p, 11/8/24
The hate isn't for "educated" people.

The hate exudes from the "educated" toward the "uneducated".

I got 4 years at A&M. My wife got her masters from St Thomas. We don't hate educated people. But we are rather tired of "educated" people hating on the "uneducated" people in our friend group that chose not to waste 6 figures on a degree they didn't want and didn't need as they work their way up the blue collar ladder and/or start their own businesses.

Lastly, "educated" is becoming a euphemism for LGBTQ+ and/or DEI believer. If you have a PHD but don't subscribe to those programs, you magically become "uneducated". If you're allowed to remain "educated" you are still a bigot.
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In reply to ttu_85 • 9:19p, 11/8/24
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wannaggie said:
It's literally the same media talking point as 2016. Within a couple days all the liberal outlets (NPR, MSNBC, Colbert, Bill Maher, etc.) had coalesced around the narrative that large turnout among "uneducated whites" was the reason Trump beat Hillary. I wrote a commentary on it at the time, pointing out that none of those same media pundits ever thought to say Obama got elected because of "uneducated blacks" even though that was a demographic which turned out in historically high numbers for him.

But as others have pointed out this week -- please do keep telling people they are dumb and deplorable. It's how we are well on the way to a SCOTUS that actually follows the US Constitution for the first time in 3 generations.
Good to have you back posting. One of txags best.
Aww shucks. Yeah, I haven't been here for 4 years. I just logged back in today because I wanted to see what Forum16 had to say about this election. Forgot how much I liked it here back in the day.
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9:22p, 11/8/24
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Yeah, since all of those arts, history, dance, music, and women's studies majors are WAY more intelligent…
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9:24p, 11/8/24
Because a degree means **** all now a days with the exception of a few professions. I make six figures and can do my job without any need for my degree from A&M.
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In reply to Danimal • 9:25p, 11/8/24
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Danimal said:
People please do your homework. This country is full of good, educated people. Why are we demonizing education? This is like supporting Hamas.

People who have Ivy League degrees:

Donald Trump
JD Vance
Elon Musk
Ron DeSantis
Ted Cruz
RFK Jr.



People who do not have Ivy League degrees:

Kamala Harris
Tim Walz
Nancy Pelosi
Bernie Sanders
Elizabeth Warren
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez


The point.



















Your head.
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9:34p, 11/8/24
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Universities are indoctrination centers for the left in a massive way. They constantly brainwash young people to believe in progressive socialism. They are the fundamental problem with America and the world frankly.

At a fundamental level, this can happen by appealing to peoples arrogance and making them feel part of the elite class. The educated elite think they have a right to think for all of us and to manage our lives.

Universities are corrupt institutions and are more about money than education. They need to be cleansed, frankly. Progressive socialism has to be balanced and it isn't.
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9:38p, 11/8/24
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So, CNN is talking about how the Dems can win over "uneducated voters".

But, they are talking about people with or without college degrees, and the difference between the votes from those two camps. I can think of many, many different terms for skilled tradesman that don't have college degrees that is better than "uneducated."

I guarantee you that an airplane mechanic is more educated than someone with a social studies degree specializing in gender studies.

On the other side of the Aisle, you have the candidate for the POTUS Donald Trump asking his gardener his opinion on who the best pick for VP would be.

That is the difference that I find so distasteful. It's not that people get college degrees. More power to them. It's looking down your nose on everyone that didn't get a college degree that makes you look like an ass.

Until the Dems can internalize this, they are going to be irrelevant.
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In reply to e=mc2 • 9:41p, 11/8/24
e=mc2 said:
Obviously 90 percent of this board has degrees. We simply don't look down on those that don't.

Education does not mean intelligence or work ethic. That's the point.


This to infinity.
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9:45p, 11/8/24
Big diff between an Ivy Leaguer in the 90's or early 2000's and modern era. I'd bet most current Harvard students couldn't tell you which gender can get pregnant. They're clearly brilliant in world history and current domestic policy as well. Bunch of brainwashed losers.
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In reply to Danimal • 9:47p, 11/8/24
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It's not vilification of the highly educated. It's extreme disdain for the highly indoctrinated. The credentials bestowed on graduates of Ivy League institutions look the same as they always did but the liberal education based on western culture no longer backs them up.
The paper is worthless.

Every single one of the Ivies and dozens of universities around the country teach antipathy and hatred of western culture and values and Franfort School Marxist deconstructionism. Their graduates are not critical thinkers but programed ideologues. They obsessed with identity politics and race essentialism. Agent-maroon nailed it when he said that they are not elite but rather they are elitist.

Universities are mostly dead shells of what they once were. This was the outcome envisioned by Rudy Deutscher when he described the "Long march through the institutions" almost 60 years ago. The Marixists took over the faculty and then burned the institutions down around themselves in the name of equity.
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12:04a, 11/9/24
Ran into a guy a the other day is a professor at a top-tier university..

Guy is an expert in a hard science has been in academia for 40-years. Has also consulted in private industry. Bills out on consulting projects in the thousands per-hour.

Ain't nothing off about the guy or anything. A normal dude. You could sit and talk to the guy for a long time and not get a sense something was off.

But the guy is somehow still ALL IN on Covid, and also he hates Trump with every fiber of his being.

Listened to what he had to say and didn't get into it with him or anything about Trump or Covid.

But there's a mental disconnect with some of these people.

They are emotionally scarred by Trump and refuse to acknowledge what their eyes are seeing.
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In reply to Danimal • 12:20a, 11/9/24
The problem is the base OP.

Your base is a bunch of elitist that talk down to the rest of us. Those same elitists are courting old guard of Chenney and that ilk.

The Republicans don't have the elitist attitude, the base doesn't.

You idiots continually miss the forest for the trees.
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In reply to Ulysses90 • 12:35a, 11/9/24
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Ulysses90 said:
It's not vilification of the highly educated. It's extreme disdain for the highly indoctrinated. The credentials bestowed on graduates of Ivy League institutions look the same as they always did but the liberal education based on western culture no longer backs them up.
The paper is worthless.

Every single one of the Ivies and dozens of universities around the country teach antipathy and hatred of western culture and values and Franfort School Marxist deconstructionism. Their graduates are not critical thinkers but programed ideologues. They obsessed with identity politics and race essentialism. Agent-maroon nailed it when he said that they are not elite but rather they are elitist.

Universities are mostly dead shells of what they once were. This was the outcome envisioned by Rudy Deutscher when he described the "Long march through the institutions" almost 60 years ago. The Marixists took over the faculty and then burned the institutions down around themselves in the name of equity.
THIS. And it is especially true of most of the legacy media talking head class. Always about "highly educated" --yet they and those `highly educated' unreservedly supported the Bidenites. So if that is what high education has become, it rates the scorn. Ulysses is correct.
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In reply to titan • 9:27a, 11/9/24
titan said:
Ulysses90 said:
It's not vilification of the highly educated. It's extreme disdain for the highly indoctrinated. The credentials bestowed on graduates of Ivy League institutions look the same as they always did but the liberal education based on western culture no longer backs them up.
The paper is worthless.

Every single one of the Ivies and dozens of universities around the country teach antipathy and hatred of western culture and values and Franfort School Marxist deconstructionism. Their graduates are not critical thinkers but programed ideologues. They obsessed with identity politics and race essentialism. Agent-maroon nailed it when he said that they are not elite but rather they are elitist.

Universities are mostly dead shells of what they once were. This was the outcome envisioned by Rudy Deutscher when he described the "Long march through the institutions" almost 60 years ago. The Marixists took over the faculty and then burned the institutions down around themselves in the name of equity.
THIS. And it is especially true of most of the legacy media talking head class. Always about "highly educated" --yet they and those `highly educated' unreservedly supported the Bidenites. So if that is what high education has become, it rates the scorn. Ulysses is correct.
Both of these posts are spot on as usual.

Highly educated my ass. Unless you know economics, history, or how "things that matter" work you are NOT highly educated in a political context; Indoctrinated sure.

When you know how things really work, indoctrination via emotionalism is far less likely.
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In reply to Danimal • 9:38a, 11/9/24
I hate the evil that libs do regardless of their "education".
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In reply to ttu_85 • 9:40a, 11/9/24
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Highly educated my ass. Unless you know economics, history, or how "things that matter" work you are NOT highly educated in a political context; Indoctrinated sure.

When you know how things really work, indoctrination via emotionalism is far less likely.
Exactly. And I would add one of those things you need to know how "really work" besides obvious things like biology, is human nature. Foreign policy has to take human nature into account -- how things `should be' has nothing to do with reality or how nations interact. Nor are your side's motives necessarily much better in an argument or dispute. Same goes for some of the more complex divides between political party stances. Self-enrichment and pork is a pretty universal motive often found.
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In reply to Danimal • 9:48a, 11/9/24
Maybe the uneducated White's are pissed off that Biden levied the student debt of Ivy League educated snobs making multiples higher than they are.... onto them.

Debt Forgiveness gets paid by someone. Everyone. Those that didn't go to school and those that did go to school. It should be paid by those that took the loans!
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9:49a, 11/9/24
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Certainly having an Ivy League degree doesn't mean you aren't capable or bright but it also doesn't mean you are . There is a fair amount of evidence to suggest their campuses are Petri dishes for furthering "woke" Marxist like ideas tho and it seems to be encouraged by their respective campus leadership. In that respect I feel like some of the vitriol has been earned.
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In reply to Danimal • 10:02a, 11/9/24
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As others have said, the Ivy League graduates of today are receiving an entirely different education (indoctrination) than the Ivy League students of 20 years ago and before.

Victor Davis Hanson has spoken extensively about this issue concerning the Ivy League, as well as other "top tier" Universities such as Stanford that have abandoned their original mission in favor of a DEI-driven mandate.

Perhaps as you speak of "doing your homework", you may consider heeding your own words...
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1:34p, 11/9/24
Just a small sample of what the media said in 2016 about Trump's success being dependent on "uneducated whites":

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-educational-rift-in-the-2016-election/
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/07/us/how-trump-can-win.html
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-overwhelmingly-leads-rivals-in-support-from-less-educated-americans
https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/11/10/the-dance-of-the-dunces-trump-clinton-election-republican-democrat/
https://www.newsweek.com/why-are-white-uneducated-voters-voting-trump-515368
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/education-not-income-predicted-who-would-vote-for-trump/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/16/white-college-graduates-donald-trump-support-falling
https://www.npr.org/2020/09/03/907433511/trumps-base-is-shrinking-as-whites-without-a-college-degree-continue-to-decline
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In reply to Danimal • 1:36p, 11/9/24
Danimal said:
People please do your homework. This country is full of good, educated people. Why are we demonizing education? This is like supporting Hamas.

People who have Ivy League degrees:

Donald Trump
JD Vance
Elon Musk
Ron DeSantis
Ted Cruz
RFK Jr.



People who do not have Ivy League degrees:

Kamala Harris
Tim Walz
Nancy Pelosi
Bernie Sanders
Elizabeth Warren
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
Nobody is demonizing education. What is being discussed, is the ridiculous federal funded administrative bloat that is a byproduct of the expansion of easy money loans and has directly led to the creation and proliferation of degrees that allow people to consider themselves educated while learning absolutely zero skills or critical thinking that is productive or useless to society.

Get the government out of higher ed.
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