The impact of USAID shutting down...

29,261 Views | 234 Replies | Last: 6 days ago by nortex97
AgBQ-00
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Not sure when he (James Lindsay) started getting funds...could be before he started in on the woke left, could be when he lately started going on a tangent about what he terms the 'woke right". But his reporting and breakdown of the background of all the Marxist left stuff is invaluable.
God loves you so much He'll meet you where you are. He also loves you too much to allow to stay where you are.

We sing Hallelujah! The Lamb has overcome!
confucius_ag
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Time for a congress of the states and strip this federal scam of power.
FireAg
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
USAID was established by Congress…but there are no spending bills specifically passed for each of their cash outlays…therein lies the rub, and it's also why, though DOGE can't abolish them, they can point out the trail of $ they spend that is not specifically granted, dollar for dollar, by Congress…

USAID has basically had carte blanche to spend money wherever they see fit…

DOGE is simply advising the new administration where the funds have been spent and/or are earmarked to be spent, and shutting down their authority to spend it carte blanche…

It's a technicality, per my understanding, but since there is no Congressional spending bills specifically passed that say $X must be spent on Iraqi Sesame Street and $Y must be spent on Venezuelan sex changes for minors, then the executive branch has the authority to cut off USAID's carte blanche spending power…

I think what DOGE and the Executive Branch are doing will pass any legal challenges because there is a clear loophole at USAID that basically never defined congressional control and oversight of where each dollar was spent…so DOGE/Trump are closing the loophole…
nortex97
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
One nice impact of all of this coming out and significant funding being stripped will be a further marginalization of the 'main stream media' and greater folks going to/supporting/using/trusting 'new media' in it's various forms (hotair/redstate etc, but also podcasts, substacks, X account subscriptions etc).

I think most folks here already do that mostly, but in the greater public likely only around 40 percent (throwing out a number) really use 'new media' primarily for their news sources. I don't think the below is really 'correct' in absolute terms but it is sobering with the headlines this week:

Heartening:

But still room for improvement over time:

People who get their news from TV just 95% of the time get a very incomplete picture, imho. I watch about half an hour of news programming (mostly local) daily, but tend to watch about half of 'Fox News Sunday' (after it's recorded) and probably would be wholly ignorant of current events if that was it.
G Martin 87
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
JamesPShelley said:

Aggie95 said:

This guy is big mad…sent to a friend of mine:

I'm astounded that as a lawyer you have no use for the rule of law. USAID was funded by the normal appropriations process. Many of the programs you don't care for were funded under Trump and Biden. And for the ones funded exclusively by Biden--tough ***** Elections have consequences and they were funded legally through. The executive branch doesn't have the authority to summarily end them. That's impoundment and it's unconstitutional.

If the scales have fallen from Trump's eyes as to the true nature of an agency he was in charge of for 4 years, then he can have Mike Johnson submit legislation and a budget that removes funding or bans certain programs. This should be easy to do since Trump's party controls both chambers. But allowing an unelected, unconfirmed campaign donor run roughshod through an independent enterprise and shutdown programs that are legally funded is illegal and frankly scary. Imagine if Biden let some billionaire donor shut out Department of Energy employees and start shutting down programs that benefitted oil and gas production. Is your opinion of that action only informed by your opinion of the program at risk, or do you think the rule of law should be abided regardless of the program? Because if it's the former, turn in your law license.
I'm not an attorney... so I say shut that **** down. **** all that hoops noise.

Chips fall, then rebuild.
I'm no attorney either, but a law license isn't required to recognize sanctimonious BS.
Secolobo
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
4% newspapers. My question has always been who's funding them? They don't care about ad space anymore.
William K. Klingaman
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Did the big Clinton scam with Haiti involve USAID, or their own personal Clinton Foundation. Or both?
FCBlitz
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Where's AggieHawg and other good lawyers who bring proper context to these matters.
AgBQ-00
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
I have an oddly happy demeanor today...All those years of intuition KNOWING there was a "man behind the curtain" are proven true. Being told over and over again that "no, that is crazy. no way all of the media is controlled like that" Very excited to watch it all burn down so we can rebuild on our founding principles
God loves you so much He'll meet you where you are. He also loves you too much to allow to stay where you are.

We sing Hallelujah! The Lamb has overcome!
LMCane
How long do you want to ignore this user?
96AgGrad said:

If you haven't done so, go watch the Joe Rogan interview of Mike Benz:

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3515375

Benz makes it clear that USAID has nothing to do with foreign aid. Collectively it's a tool for regime change in foreign countries using NGO's to influence elections.

When Trump and other right wingers came to power, the intelligence community turned all of these resources inward and redefined "threat to democracy" as anything that affected the status quo of government institutions, not the will of the people.

In fact, they treated populism as their biggest threat, and felt completely justified using the NGOs to censor and undermine it at every opportunity. Barely a month into Covid worldwide and they were already using USAID to control the allowable narrative of what Covid was, where it came from, and what effective treatments were allowed.

This is greatly oversimplified. However convoluted you thought it was, it's worse than you think. Make the time to listen to the podcast if you can.


For 25 years AID and CIA and the White House have been trying to get rid of Bibi Netanyahu in Israel.

Under Clinton, under Obama, under Biden.
LMCane
How long do you want to ignore this user?
MouthBQ98 said:

So many social justice warriors getting paid to take sanctimonious ego feeding vacations overseas will have to find productive employment.
it can not be true that SIMPLE JACK from Tropic Thunder

was paid $4 million to visit our friend Zelensky in Kyiv!!



jsc8116
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Hopefully most of them are the swamp career creatures in DC that have fleeced working Americans pout of their tax money.
Dr. Mephisto
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Krombopulos Michael said:









I CANNOT STAR THIS POST ENOUGH!!!!
nortex97
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
He's strongly denied it, fwiw. I dunno, my suspicion is the transportation/security was paid for by a grant. I doubt the CIA would be stupid enough not to have the celebrities pay for some portion of the trip.

The one I have a more difficult time accepting is that Angelina Jolie got "$20 million" though. C'mon, no matter the accounting estimate, that didn't happen. Her trip wasn't 'worth' that to the war press, even if it's proverbially Monopoly money being used.
Fireman
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Aggie95 said:

This guy is big mad…sent to a friend of mine:

I'm astounded that as a lawyer you have no use for the rule of law. USAID was funded by the normal appropriations process. Many of the programs you don't care for were funded under Trump and Biden. And for the ones funded exclusively by Biden--tough ***** Elections have consequences and they were funded legally through. The executive branch doesn't have the authority to summarily end them. That's impoundment and it's unconstitutional.

If the scales have fallen from Trump's eyes as to the true nature of an agency he was in charge of for 4 years, then he can have Mike Johnson submit legislation and a budget that removes funding or bans certain programs. This should be easy to do since Trump's party controls both chambers. But allowing an unelected, unconfirmed campaign donor run roughshod through an independent enterprise and shutdown programs that are legally funded is illegal and frankly scary. Imagine if Biden let some billionaire donor shut out Department of Energy employees and start shutting down programs that benefitted oil and gas production. Is your opinion of that action only informed by your opinion of the program at risk, or do you think the rule of law should be abided regardless of the program? Because if it's the former, turn in your law license.
All this is BS if the aid is fraudulent or criminal (or both). They have every right to shut it down, and shame on all the career civil servants, who sat on their asses doing nothing while they watched the government literally waste and piss away billions of dollars.
agent-maroon
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
"Shame"...

lol
No material on this site is intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis or treatment. See full Medical Disclaimer.
samurai_science
How long do you want to ignore this user?
FireAg
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
samurai_science said:



Adios, mofos…
G Martin 87
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Afuera!
Nanomachines son
How long do you want to ignore this user?


The absolute state of Washington politicians.
Matt Hooper
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
That's one of many great examples of the cancer that is/was USAID. Good riddance.

Ted Cruz is spot on. And making a factual statement is not dispositive of other reasons to detest the cancer within USAID. To say this is "his biggest take away" is illogical and sophomoric.

Thanks for posting.
Barnyard96
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Jbob04 said:

BigFred said:

Lets shut down WHO, shut down USAID. But????

Instead, lets turn our mission to some imperialistic, conquest...... (Alexander the Great type shh) by taking over Greenland, the Gaza Strip, Making Canada the 51st state, & renaming the Gulf, etc. etc.





Gonna be a long 4 years for you. Dry those tears


Remember when he posted the end of Trump after the debate?
Jbob04
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Barnyard96 said:

Jbob04 said:

BigFred said:

Lets shut down WHO, shut down USAID. But????

Instead, lets turn our mission to some imperialistic, conquest...... (Alexander the Great type shh) by taking over Greenland, the Gaza Strip, Making Canada the 51st state, & renaming the Gulf, etc. etc.





Gonna be a long 4 years for you. Dry those tears


Remember when he posted the end of Trump after the debate?

Couldn't have been more wrong
rynning
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
When businesses are grossly mismanaged, they either go under or they experience massive cuts and layoffs. Trump is treating this like a business. (I am too familiar with the phenomenon.)

The federal government and vast majority of local and state governments have never gone through these kinds of cuts before. They think they are immune from the real pain that many (most?) people in the private sector have experienced at some point in their careers.

Unfortunately, in the real world, it's not done with a scalpel but with an axe and very quickly. Notice that most critics aren't trying to defend the what. They can only criticize the who and the how.

And meat will be cut with the fat. This is understood from the beginning. That's why it's so shocking and frankly, "I don't really care, Margaret."
BTKAG97
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
FireAg said:

USAID was established by Congress…but there are no spending bills specifically passed for each of their cash outlays…therein lies the rub, and it's also why, though DOGE can't abolish them, they can point out the trail of $ they spend that is not specifically granted, dollar for dollar, by Congress…

USAID has basically had carte blanche to spend money wherever they see fit…

DOGE is simply advising the new administration where the funds have been spent and/or are earmarked to be spent, and shutting down their authority to spend it carte blanche…

It's a technicality, per my understanding, but since there is no Congressional spending bills specifically passed that say $X must be spent on Iraqi Sesame Street and $Y must be spent on Venezuelan sex changes for minors, then the executive branch has the authority to cut off USAID's carte blanche spending power…

I think what DOGE and the Executive Branch are doing will pass any legal challenges because there is a clear loophole at USAID that basically never defined congressional control and oversight of where each dollar was spent…so DOGE/Trump are closing the loophole…
Doesn't that apply to almost every federal government department?

CRs don't state how funds should be spent for the most part. They only state how much is apportioned to each department and allows those departments to spend "as needed".


Note: As needed is in quotations because many laws on the book do specify funding.
BTKAG97
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Nanomachines son said:



The absolute state of Washington politicians.
He's stating Cruz is "mentally challenged" for making a factual statement?
Squadron7
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
How many of those 14,000 are campaign ops people being warehoused in off election years?
Nanomachines son
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Matt Hooper said:

That's one of many great examples of the cancer that is/was USAID. Good riddance.

Ted Cruz is spot on. And making a factual statement is not dispositive of other reasons to detest the cancer within USAID. To say this is "his biggest take away" is illogical and sophomoric.

Thanks for posting.



We give more than $500 million to Israel through USAID that is mostly used to pay for social services there, but it's Hamas that is the problem. Both of these are an issue and neither should happen.

My point is that he chose this one specific topic instead of the myriad of other nations or special interests that we waste money on. All these people care about is what affects Israel and not what affects our nation.
whoop1995
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
rynning said:

When businesses are grossly mismanaged, they either go under or they experience massive cuts and layoffs. Trump is treating this like a business. (I am too familiar with the phenomenon.)

The federal government and vast majority of local and state governments have never gone through these kinds of cuts before. They think they are immune from the real pain that many (most?) people in the private sector have experienced at some point in their careers.

Unfortunately, in the real world, it's not done with a scalpel but with an axe and very quickly. Notice that most critics aren't trying to defend the what. They can only criticize the who and the how.

And meat will be cut with the fat. This is understood from the beginning. That's why it's so shocking and frankly, "I don't really care, Margaret."
This is exactly right and I have explained this to my friend that works in government for the faa. He is a trump supporter but now he doesn't like him and doesn't understand why they want to move him to an office - he stated that some people he knows have kids and both mom and dad work in the same office so they both go in two days a week and the remaining day they put the child in daycare. He exclaimed that that this is an expense for daycare they are going to incur and it's not nessesary
I said in the corporate world or in small business world it is choices like these that are made constantly . He didn't like my answer too much.
I collect ticket stubs! looking for Aggie vs tu stubs - 1926 and below, 1935-1937, 1939-1944, 1946-1948, 1950, 1953, 1956-1957, 1959, 1960, 1963-1966, 1969-1970, 1973, 1974, 1980, 1984, 1990, 2004, 2008 also looking for vs Villanova 1949- all home and away 2012-2013- media or suite passes for bowl games in 2021, 2023 and 2024
texagbeliever
How long do you want to ignore this user?
BTKAG97 said:

Nanomachines son said:



The absolute state of Washington politicians.
He's stating Cruz is "mentally challenged" for making a factual statement?

I imagine this poster as one of those silly tiki torch carrying false flag guys that tried to paint Kaine as a racist. Every post has some layer of bigotry.
Here4Wins
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Man this is such great news. Im Guatemalan and USAID has always been used to pay off politicians to pass laws that they want pushed. It's a massive laundering scheme in which they give money to groups and mobilize them in order to pass the liberals agenda. not only on DEI laws but literally everything. More unions, more liberal laws and just plain stupid things that push the people out of the country and migrate north. I work in agriculture and there is literally no people left for crop picking and field work. This is not even hyperbole or exaggeration, there is really no people left for work. Just to give you an idea, we used to employ around 2500 people for sugar cane cutting. This year we are lucky to get to 1000. The people that would bring us the workers changed business and bought busses to take them to the Mexican and Guatemalan border. I wish I was kidding.
whoop1995
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Here4Wins said:

Man this is such great news. Im Guatemalan and USAID has always been used to pay off politicians to pass laws that they want pushed. It's a massive laundering scheme in which they give money to groups and mobilize them in order to pass the liberals agenda. not only on DEI laws but literally everything. More unions, more liberal laws and just plain stupid things that push the people out of the country and migrate north. I work in agriculture and there is literally no people left for crop picking and field work. This is not even hyperbole or exaggeration, there is really no people left for work. Just to give you an idea, we used to empale around 2500 people for sugar cane cutting. This year we are lucky to get to 1000. The people that would bring us the workers changed business and bought busses to take them to the Mexican and Guatemalan border. I wish I was kidding.
Man I got stuck on empale and had to re read it a lot times before it clicked in my head employ
I collect ticket stubs! looking for Aggie vs tu stubs - 1926 and below, 1935-1937, 1939-1944, 1946-1948, 1950, 1953, 1956-1957, 1959, 1960, 1963-1966, 1969-1970, 1973, 1974, 1980, 1984, 1990, 2004, 2008 also looking for vs Villanova 1949- all home and away 2012-2013- media or suite passes for bowl games in 2021, 2023 and 2024
Here4Wins
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
My bad just edited it
whoop1995
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Here4Wins said:

My bad just edited it
No worries I am a little slow today - I am glad this move by trump and musk might save your venture though - great news!
I collect ticket stubs! looking for Aggie vs tu stubs - 1926 and below, 1935-1937, 1939-1944, 1946-1948, 1950, 1953, 1956-1957, 1959, 1960, 1963-1966, 1969-1970, 1973, 1974, 1980, 1984, 1990, 2004, 2008 also looking for vs Villanova 1949- all home and away 2012-2013- media or suite passes for bowl games in 2021, 2023 and 2024
Scruffy
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
USAID
No more empal!
Chingal!

I like it.
 
×
subscribe Verify your student status
See Subscription Benefits
Trial only available to users who have never subscribed or participated in a previous trial.