the Draggieland embarrassment

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Squadron7
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This is absolutley a free speech issue.

The BOR aren't stupid. They knew we would lose this.

They "banned" it knowing this...but now they can tell their donors "we tried".

Tanya 93
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rwtxag83 said:

Waffledynamics said:

I think this is fine. I'm not a fan of drag myself, but they're keeping it 18+. That's what we all wanted for this stuff.


Speak for yourself. I don't want them on the A&M Campus-period, kids or no kids.. Texas A&M is an educational institution and drag shows are not part of that.

I say if they want to have a drag show, then go have one. Just do it at a private venue. This has no place on the A&M campus. I hope the administration fights this tooth and nail.


Did you feel the same way about concerts on campus?
Stand up comedians?
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Tanya 93 said:

rwtxag83 said:

Waffledynamics said:

I think this is fine. I'm not a fan of drag myself, but they're keeping it 18+. That's what we all wanted for this stuff.


Speak for yourself. I don't want them on the A&M Campus-period, kids or no kids.. Texas A&M is an educational institution and drag shows are not part of that.

I say if they want to have a drag show, then go have one. Just do it at a private venue. This has no place on the A&M campus. I hope the administration fights this tooth and nail.


Did you feel the same way about concerts on campus?
Stand up comedians?
Sporting events?
Richard Spencer?
Breakaway?
Flo Rida will be here in April. Is that OK?
How about the George Strait concert? Any issue?
Gig 'Em
HTownAg98
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rwtxag83 said:

Waffledynamics said:

I think this is fine. I'm not a fan of drag myself, but they're keeping it 18+. That's what we all wanted for this stuff.


Speak for yourself. I don't want them on the A&M Campus-period, kids or no kids.. Texas A&M is an educational institution and drag shows are not part of that.

I say if they want to have a drag show, then go have one. Just do it at a private venue. This has no place on the A&M campus. I hope the administration fights this tooth and nail.

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When, as here, "a university by policy and practice opens up an area for indiscriminate use by the general public, or by some segment of the public, such as student organizations, such area may be deemed to be a designated public forum." Pro-Life Cougars, 259 F. Supp. 2d at 582; Cf. Widmar v. Vincent, 454 U.S. 263, 267 n.5 ("the denial to particular groups of use of campus facilities for meetings and other appropriate purposes" must be subject to strict scrutiny) (internal quotations omitted) (alterations adopted)).
From the opinion, page 13.
Flower Child
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rwtxag83 said:

Waffledynamics said:

I think this is fine. I'm not a fan of drag myself, but they're keeping it 18+. That's what we all wanted for this stuff.


Speak for yourself. I don't want them on the A&M Campus-period, kids or no kids.. Texas A&M is an educational institution and drag shows are not part of that.

I say if they want to have a drag show, then go have one. Just do it at a private venue. This has no place on the A&M campus. I hope the administration fights this tooth and nail.

Of all the reasons posited of why it shouldn't be held, this continues to be the weakest. Let's go ahead and ban every student organization/group/activity on campus that is non-educational. While we're at it let's ban all television channels on campus except PBS. Nonsense.
TxSkyCop
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The only way to kick it off campus is to kick ALL student organization supported speech events off campus. So the Baptist Student Ministry bible study on the quad would be eliminated, as would many other speech-related events. There are over 1300 student organizations at TAMU. If you don't like drag shows (I'm not fond of them), find something else to support.
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I say if they want to have a drag show, then go have one. Just do it at a private venue. This has no place on the A&M campus.
I think you are missing the point. They want it PUBLIC, and they want it in YOUR FACE. This is homosexuality spiking the football after scoring a deviant touchdown. Same as the Islamist spiking the football in the face of the French. It is a political statement to demoralize you and to attack our traditional institutions!!! Both are actions are battering rams against Western Civ. Against your values, against you !!!


#FJB
TexasAGGIEinAR
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Maybe they can drop a pile of gravel and a cooler full of beer close to their gathering. Would make for some great pitching practice.
HTownAg98
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EX TEXASEX said:

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I say if they want to have a drag show, then go have one. Just do it at a private venue. This has no place on the A&M campus.
I think you are missing the point. They want it PUBLIC, and they want it in YOUR FACE. This is homosexuality spiking the football after scoring a deviant touchdown. Same as the Islamist spiking the football in the face of the French. It is a political statement to demoralize you and to attack our traditional institutions!!! Both are actions are battering rams against Western Civ. Against your values, against you !!!



This is very fake news. They sold tickets to hold the event in an enclosed theater. But funny enough, A&M admitted that if the event were to be held outside, it would be permissible.
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Turning to the first requirement, the Board does not identify why A&M's stated interests are better served by banning drag shows from Special Event Venues as opposed to other venues on campus. Indeed, at oral argument, counsel for the Board conceded that under the five-factor test, if the drag show was held outdoors on the campus, it would pass muster under the Board's test. But a drag show held outdoors would expose those who are simply passing byincluding childrento the performance, rather than limiting the exposure to those who choose to attend by holding it in a theater and requiring a ticket for admission. Counsel also conceded that if the event was limited to A&M students, it would pass the Board's test because it would not be "open to the public," which is inconsistent with the Board's stated concerns about the effect of the performance on students.
You tell me what is more "in your face:" A drag show held indoors where tickets had to be purchased, and shown during the evening hours, or a drag show held in the free speech area between the MSC and Rudder Tower at 2:00 in the afternoon?
dixichkn
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So when's the first topless show with stripper poles etc? Can't wait. Keep me posted
frenchtoast
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Take the gay stuff to Austin. This doesn't belong on a Christian campus.
Ol_Ag_02
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frenchtoast said:

Take the gay stuff to Austin. This doesn't belong on a Christian campus.


When did we go private?
Tanya 93
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frenchtoast said:

Take the gay stuff to Austin. This doesn't belong on a Christian campus.


Um
I think you have the campus confused with Baylor
frenchtoast
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Aggies are overwhelmingly conservative Christians. Check your facts.
BCG Disciple
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I have no problem as long you're keeping it respectful and clean. Just because we don't like it doesn't mean we silence it. Not sure what is wrong with you people, but try to take a step back and gain some perspective.
Tanya 93
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frenchtoast said:

Aggies are overwhelmingly conservative Christians. Check your facts.


Then no one will go and it eventually dies out

Are you forced to see this?
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EX TEXASEX said:

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I say if they want to have a drag show, then go have one. Just do it at a private venue. This has no place on the A&M campus.
I think you are missing the point. They want it PUBLIC, and they want it in YOUR FACE. This is homosexuality spiking the football after scoring a deviant touchdown. Same as the Islamist spiking the football in the face of the French. It is a political statement to demoralize you and to attack our traditional institutions!!! Both are actions are battering rams against Western Civ. Against your values, against you !!!





It's an indoor event, nobody has to "have it in their face" who doesn't want to. Just. Don't. Go.
buda91
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"Some Like it Hot"
"Bosom Buddies"
Old-time dances where everyone cross-dressed (even on campus)

Where to draw the line between funny drag and degenerate drag. I will generally go for freedom.
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Actually yes, part of the point is absolutely to be proudly, visibly, publicly queer in a time and place where there is a concerted attempt by people with the levers of power to erase queer existence from the public sphere. **** that. Spike that football hard in all the right faces.
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Actual Talking Thermos said:

Actually yes, part of the point is absolutely to be proudly, visibly, publicly queer in a time and place where there is a concerted attempt by people with the levers of power to erase queer existence from the public sphere. **** that. Spike that football hard in all the right faces.
Spreadsheet updated
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dixichkn said:

So when's the first topless show with stripper poles etc? Can't wait. Keep me posted


Just so I'm clear: it's believed on this board that women are objectified and demeaned at drag shows, and so the only way to combat that is to further objectify and demean women with a topless show.
Gig 'Em
Bucketrunner
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So it's okay to make fun of women? Who else gets this treatment?
Tanya 93
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Bucketrunner said:

So it's okay to make fun of women? Who else gets this treatment?



I don't think it is making fun of women but over the top celebration of them.

Lots of things aren't my cup of tea but that doesn't mean it should be banned.
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Bucketrunner said:

So it's okay to make fun of women? Who else gets this treatment?

Literally every other group under the constitution. Everyone has the right to make fun of everyone else.
Bucketrunner
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No. It is caricature of what a woman is. It is a comedy, making fun of women.
frenchtoast
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I guess we're bringing back minstrel shows now
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Anonymous Source said:

dixichkn said:

So when's the first topless show with stripper poles etc? Can't wait. Keep me posted


Just so I'm clear: it's believed on this board that women are objectified and demeaned at drag shows, and so the only way to combat that is to further objectify and demean women with a topless show.
Just so you're clear: You missed the sarcasm.
rsf0626
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I truly dont understand why its such a big deal that we have the drag shows. If you dont like it, just ignore it. Its not hurting anybody

Its 2025 people
rsf0626
Magneto
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A&M got played……..

Take one of the most conservative schools in the nation and they figured out how to embarrass it on the national stage.

This isn't about a drag show as someone dream to embarrass us as a conservative school.

We took the bait.
rwtxag83
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Tanya 93 said:

rwtxag83 said:

Waffledynamics said:

I think this is fine. I'm not a fan of drag myself, but they're keeping it 18+. That's what we all wanted for this stuff.


Speak for yourself. I don't want them on the A&M Campus-period, kids or no kids.. Texas A&M is an educational institution and drag shows are not part of that.

I say if they want to have a drag show, then go have one. Just do it at a private venue. This has no place on the A&M campus. I hope the administration fights this tooth and nail.


Did you feel the same way about concerts on campus?
Stand up comedians?


False analogy. This is not a concert and not a stand up comedian
Greater love hath no man than this....
HTownAg98
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Then how about musicals or plays?
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Stupe said:

Anonymous Source said:

dixichkn said:

So when's the first topless show with stripper poles etc? Can't wait. Keep me posted


Just so I'm clear: it's believed on this board that women are objectified and demeaned at drag shows, and so the only way to combat that is to further objectify and demean women with a topless show.
Just so you're clear: You missed the sarcasm.


Really? Because the idea of a retaliatory burlesque show has been mentioned here more than once
Gig 'Em
rsf0626
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rwtxag83 said:

Tanya 93 said:

rwtxag83 said:

Waffledynamics said:

I think this is fine. I'm not a fan of drag myself, but they're keeping it 18+. That's what we all wanted for this stuff.


Speak for yourself. I don't want them on the A&M Campus-period, kids or no kids.. Texas A&M is an educational institution and drag shows are not part of that.

I say if they want to have a drag show, then go have one. Just do it at a private venue. This has no place on the A&M campus. I hope the administration fights this tooth and nail.


Did you feel the same way about concerts on campus?
Stand up comedians?


False analogy. This is not a concert and not a stand up comedian


What does having a drag show on campus harm? Its not hate speech, its not violent, its harmless. This is such a weird hill to die on
rsf0626
HTownAg98
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Magneto said:

A&M got played……..

Take one of the most conservative schools in the nation and they figured out how to embarrass it on the national stage.

This isn't about a drag show as someone dream to embarrass us as a conservative school.

We took the bait.

They played themselves. This show had been going on for a couple of years now. Their argument will be that A&M was worried about losing funding because of Trump's EO, but a careful reading of that EO shows that's not the case.

The funniest thing about all of this would be for Trump to get big mad and pull funding because of it. I would expect A&M to fight it saying the EO doesn't apply vs. making it a 1A issue.
TAMU1990
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Oooo... an Islamic prayer with a drag show would be peak viewing. You are correct though. These people do it because they want attention and to stick it to societal norms. At least they have to fundraise their own money to pay for it instead of using school funding (from taxpayers).
 
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