No Covid jab, no heart transplant

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redcrayon said:

The girl was adopted from China at four years old so she would have been vaccinated up to that point at least.


That's not necessarily true
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Teslag said:

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88planoAg said:

The article only says because of no flu and covid vaccines, but I wonder if it is because the kid has no vaccines at all.
who cares if she does or doesn't?!?

that ought to have ZERO impact on her ability to get other healthcare.

A kid without the measles vaccine should be brought into a hospital, or even surgical ward? Are you for real?


Measles vaccine status isn't going to impact a hospital treating a child. This is specifically with respect to listing for organ transplant.

No child with an asthma exacerbation requiring intubation is gonna be denied care because they aren't vaccinated.
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Would definitely agree with that for emergency medicine. Was more alluded to things like planned and scheduled surgeries and procedures, and of course organ transplant lists.
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Ingestion =/= Injection.


I never said otherwise, but the serum concentrations of various aluminum salts relative to ingested quantities and injected quantities are well studied and understood.

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Aluminum in our food does not get absorbed into the body


That's unequivocally false

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Because of this the FDA has set a limit on recommended injectable aluminum.


They also have a limit on recommended ingested aluminum and how much aluminum should be in the stuff you eat and drink

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And we are surprised at the levels of Autism rising?


The rates of autism have risen because diagnostic criteria for it have changed dramatically over the last 30 years and both provider fluency on the topic and overall healthcare access for children has expanded.

More inclusive criteria + more people knowing about it/testing for it + more kids getting tests for = many more diagnosis

Here's the thing: Even IF anything in vaccines could be definitively linked to autism, which none have been, it could not possibly explain by itself the percentage rise in autism diagnosis. The expansion in terms of number of childhood vaccines as quantities of the various proposed compounds could not possibly cause the jump we have seen over the last 30 years. The relative rise in aluminum exposure specifically has been looked into with respect to this and the math just doesn't math. It's statistically impossible to be even the predominant cause of such a thing.
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Infection_Ag11 said:

redcrayon said:

The girl was adopted from China at four years old so she would have been vaccinated up to that point at least.


That's not necessarily true


In our experience it is.

Can you provide a link to the articles stating this child is completely unvaccinated?
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I like the little medical symbol next to usernames. It lets me know who was so full of themselves during Covid that they went out of their way to get that little validation to try to make their propaganda more believable.

Makes it easy to spot those that shouldn't be trusted.
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Muy said:

usmcbrooks said:

Covid jab is the reason I'll need a new heart in the future.


If you're serious, I hope you are able to get it fixed and you get back to health.
Very serious.
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Unvaccinated people get surgeries all the time. Bizarre assertion that they shouldn't.
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Sorry Dorothy; he's not vaccinated.
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Infection_Ag11 said:

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It would not only be bad medicine, it's fundamentally immoral.


Lol but jabbing children with unsafe levels of aluminum that could kill them over diseases that are minimally threatening is totally moral. Right.


Infants ingest more aluminum from routine household/dietary exposures in their first six months of life than they do from all the vaccines they will receive in their entire lives combined. And in both cases those levels are demonstrably not harmful in any way.

For perspective, ALL childhood vaccines combined have about 4.4 milligrams of various aluminum salts used as adjuvants. A breast fed infant ingests 5-10 mg in their first six months. A formula fed infant ingests 30-40 milligrams of aluminum in their first six months alone. The average adult ingests over 10 mg of aluminum EVERY DAY.
Serious question, is there any difference in ingesting/digesting, vs mainlining straight into the veins? I know there is with all other types of drugs and substances...just not sure about aluminum. i.e. it's pretty ok to ingest oxidized metal/rust, but you wouldn't want to inject yourself.

All I know is that I saw a map of autism cases throughout the world and North America and Western Europe, and maybe an Asian country or two were WAYYYY higher than everyone else. Is this because our detection is better, or perhaps we over-diagnose compared to other countries?

We definitely seem to have a lot more austistic kids nowadays than back in my father's day. At least according to him and other codgers I've talked to. Also, thyings like deathly peanut allergies etc. weren't even a thing back then. How'd that happen? Can you blame people if wondering if there is some correlation to the insane amount of shots we are giving newborns and infants?
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88planoAg said:

The article only says because of no flu and covid vaccines, but I wonder if it is because the kid has no vaccines at all.
Does not matter to me if this child has had all or none of the vaccinations. This is a cruel hospital policy in my opinion.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
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Infection_Ag11 said:

And for the record, the article is misleading (or at least unclear). Other reports on the story clarify the parents haven't given ANY of their their children ANY vaccinations at all.
Please explain how that is relevant?
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
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richardag said:

88planoAg said:

The article only says because of no flu and covid vaccines, but I wonder if it is because the kid has no vaccines at all.
Does not matter to me if this child has had all or none of the vaccinations. This is a cruel hospital policy in my opinion.

Transplant organs are in very limited supply. You put them in people that are most like to not have health complications.
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This isn't the first hospital to deny a spot on the transplant list for refusing the COVID vaccine. Reprehensible.
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redcrayon said:

Infection_Ag11 said:

redcrayon said:

The girl was adopted from China at four years old so she would have been vaccinated up to that point at least.


That's not necessarily true


In our experience it is.

Can you provide a link to the articles stating this child is completely unvaccinated?
Can you provide a link that the child is completely vaccinated? Works both way?
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Well considering the fact that the covid jab makes any transplanted heart more likely to fail because of the cardiac issues it causes.....you would think that the cardiology team would want her to avoid the jab.

Ya know.....if they cared at all about producing good outcomes.
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Infection_Ag11 said:

Madagascar said:

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It would not only be bad medicine, it's fundamentally immoral.


Lol but jabbing children with unsafe levels of aluminum that could kill them over diseases that are minimally threatening is totally moral. Right.


Infants ingest more aluminum from routine household/dietary exposures in their first six months of life than they do from all the vaccines they will receive in their entire lives combined. And in both cases those levels are demonstrably not harmful in any way.

For perspective, ALL childhood vaccines combined have about 4.4 milligrams of various aluminum salts used as adjuvants. A breast fed infant ingests 5-10 mg in their first six months. A formula fed infant ingests 30-40 milligrams of aluminum in their first six months alone. The average adult ingests over 10 mg of aluminum EVERY DAY.
This is ingesting whereas a vaccine is injecting. Does this matter? I'm seriously asking.
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88planoAg said:

The article only says because of no flu and covid vaccines, but I wonder if it is because the kid has no vaccines at all.


Who cares, it's bs
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Obviously need more details but parents definitely need to get ahead of the game by checking every box:Illegal migrant, LGBTQ, furry, or even Rachel Dolezal syndrome.
Throw in some Jussie Smollet defense while your at it
Thank god for Trump. Lock up these libtards
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itsyourboypookie said:

Even if you're a child. RFK needs to end this madness. What's the medical reason a child should ever need a Covid vaccine?

https://www.fox19.com/2025/02/11/childrens-hospital-denies-girl-spot-transplant-list-due-vaccine-status/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR08PMkLcFLA-PDZ-EPJmyyLnKTdbQ2k80bNqSG8vZ-iX759eKh30y2SoG0_aem_tn4dZz6o9bQ-SS6HzgDyxQ#n2ewlqkglik02ghsiyvu18fjk3fwhjx6g


Risking a patients life in order to coerce them into a vaccine ?!

The decision maker here should lose their med license or public health masters degree or both
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usmcbrooks said:

Covid jab is the reason I'll need a new heart in the future.
Prayers for you brother.
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richardag said:

Infection_Ag11 said:

And for the record, the article is misleading (or at least unclear). Other reports on the story clarify the parents haven't given ANY of their their children ANY vaccinations at all.
Please explain how that is relevant?


Because no facility anywhere transplants organs to patients who refuse all vaccinations. It's a fundamental aspect of insuring survival post-transplant.
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redcrayon said:

Unvaccinated people get surgeries all the time. Bizarre assertion that they shouldn't.


Transplant surgery is fundamentally different from an appendectomy or cholecystectomy. These patients are put on medicines after transplant that profoundly suppress their immune systems. Certain vaccines are vital for their survival. And because organs are in very limited supply, they cannot in good faith give an organ to one patient (necessarily denying that organ to others) if that person is not willing to do the things other patients are willing to do to maximize their survival post transplant.
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Tecolote said:

redcrayon said:

Infection_Ag11 said:

redcrayon said:

The girl was adopted from China at four years old so she would have been vaccinated up to that point at least.


That's not necessarily true


In our experience it is.

Can you provide a link to the articles stating this child is completely unvaccinated?
Can you provide a link that the child is completely vaccinated? Works both way?


No, but I didn't claim she was. I don't know her vaccine status. He said he read she's not.
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A kid without the measles vaccine should be brought into a hospital, or even surgical ward? Are you for real?
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"At Cincinnati Children's, clinical decisions are guided by science, research, and best practices. We tailor care plans to each patient in collaboration with their family to ensure the safest, most effective treatment."
So they deny a kid a heart transplant based on this reasoning, but have had no problem chemically and physically damaging hundreds of kids with gender dysphoria. Because, you know, science says a 6 year old boy can actually be a girl.

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Lee Ann E. Conard, RPh, DO, MPH is the director and founder of The Transgender Health Clinic. "I founded and direct our Transgender Health Program, where we offer medical care for transgender and gender-nonconforming youth from age 4 to their 25th birthday."
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In December 2023, leadership from Cincinnati Children's testified against House Bill 68, which restricted child sex change procedures.

In February 2018, Citizens For Community Values "called on Ohio's Medical Board to investigate the Director of Cincinnati Children's Hospital Medical Center's Transgender Clinic based on testimony that all children seen by the clinic are deemed candidates for treatment."

In March 2018, Citizen GO petitioned the Ohio Medical Board to investigate Cincinnati Children's Transgender Clinic for gender-affirming practices.
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Total Sex Change Patients
https://stoptheharmdatabase.com/hospital/cincinnati-childrens-hospital-medical-center/
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redcrayon said:

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A kid without the measles vaccine should be brought into a hospital, or even surgical ward? Are you for real?



Yes
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Oh, here we go again with the medical community deciding who gets to live or die based on their personal beliefs. Here's a thought, just do the damn job you signed up for. Help people. I swear, if you find a doctor that cares more about patients and doing right by patients rather than following protocol dictated by big pharma and big insurance then you've found a truly good one. Health professionals can be just as corrupt as the damned politicians. Sad what the medical community has become. A cured patient is no longer a patient...better to just treat the symptoms.
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redcrayon said:

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A kid without the measles vaccine should be brought into a hospital, or even surgical ward? Are you for real?



That was my comment, not his, and he corrected me on it.
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redcrayon said:

Tecolote said:

redcrayon said:

Infection_Ag11 said:

redcrayon said:

The girl was adopted from China at four years old so she would have been vaccinated up to that point at least.


That's not necessarily true


In our experience it is.

Can you provide a link to the articles stating this child is completely unvaccinated?
Can you provide a link that the child is completely vaccinated? Works both way?


No, but I didn't claim she was. I don't know her vaccine status. He said he read she's not.
Reading comprehension my friend. You stated emphatically she would have been vaccinated now you claim you didn't say that - read above. Infection Ag claim "not necessarily true" so he didn't claim she wasn't but you claimed she was. Soooooo....the burden of proof looks like its in your court!
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Spotted Ag said:

Oh, here we go again with the medical community deciding who gets to live or die based on their personal beliefs. Here's a thought, just do the damn job you signed up for. Help people. I swear, if you find a doctor that cares more about patients and doing right by patients rather than following protocol dictated by big pharma and big insurance then you've found a truly good one. Health professionals can be just as corrupt as the damned politicians. Sad what the medical community has become. A cured patient is no longer a patient...better to just treat the symptoms.
i agree. That little red + icon doesn't mean nearly as much as it did pre covid.
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boulderaggie said:

Spotted Ag said:

Oh, here we go again with the medical community deciding who gets to live or die based on their personal beliefs. Here's a thought, just do the damn job you signed up for. Help people. I swear, if you find a doctor that cares more about patients and doing right by patients rather than following protocol dictated by big pharma and big insurance then you've found a truly good one. Health professionals can be just as corrupt as the damned politicians. Sad what the medical community has become. A cured patient is no longer a patient...better to just treat the symptoms.
i agree. That little red + icon doesn't mean nearly as much as it did pre covid.


To me it's a big red flag.
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Oh, here we go again with the medical community deciding who gets to live or die based on their personal beliefs.

Organ transplant lists by their very nature of relying on a limited resource will always decide who lives and dies. And being a good steward of those resources is ensuring that they go to people who are most able to not waste the resource in question. That means doing everything you can to make sure as a patient to make sure the organ is not rejected by your own body or that you die in your weakened state.
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riverrataggie said:

boulderaggie said:

Spotted Ag said:

Oh, here we go again with the medical community deciding who gets to live or die based on their personal beliefs. Here's a thought, just do the damn job you signed up for. Help people. I swear, if you find a doctor that cares more about patients and doing right by patients rather than following protocol dictated by big pharma and big insurance then you've found a truly good one. Health professionals can be just as corrupt as the damned politicians. Sad what the medical community has become. A cured patient is no longer a patient...better to just treat the symptoms.
i agree. That little red + icon doesn't mean nearly as much as it did pre covid.


To me it's a big red flag.
I think it should go away. Or if it doesn't then everyone needs a tag to show what they do: 1) attorney, 2) teacher, 3) agriculture, 4) construction, 5) oil/gas, etc.
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BetsyParker said:

Infection_Ag11 said:

Madagascar said:

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It would not only be bad medicine, it's fundamentally immoral.


Lol but jabbing children with unsafe levels of aluminum that could kill them over diseases that are minimally threatening is totally moral. Right.


Infants ingest more aluminum from routine household/dietary exposures in their first six months of life than they do from all the vaccines they will receive in their entire lives combined. And in both cases those levels are demonstrably not harmful in any way.

For perspective, ALL childhood vaccines combined have about 4.4 milligrams of various aluminum salts used as adjuvants. A breast fed infant ingests 5-10 mg in their first six months. A formula fed infant ingests 30-40 milligrams of aluminum in their first six months alone. The average adult ingests over 10 mg of aluminum EVERY DAY.
This is ingesting whereas a vaccine is injecting. Does this matter? I'm seriously asking.
No you're not. Know how I know?
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