Again, we're talking about organ transplants here. There are specific policies in place in who gets them and not because they are a very expensive limited resource with health complications of their own.

Thank God that you don't have to be in the position to make those kind of decisions.

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In February 2018, Citizens For Community Values "called on Ohio's Medical Board to investigate the Director of Cincinnati Children's Hospital Medical Center's Transgender Clinic based on testimony that all children seen by the clinic are deemed candidates for treatment."

In March 2018, Citizen GO petitioned the Ohio Medical Board to investigate Cincinnati Children's Transgender Clinic for gender-affirming practices.

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The girl was adopted from China at four years old so she would have been vaccinated up to that point at least.

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That's not necessarily true

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In our experience it is.

Can you provide a link to the articles stating this child is completely unvaccinated?

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Can you provide a link that the child is completely vaccinated? Works both way?

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No, but I didn't claim she was. I don't know her vaccine status. He said he read she's not.

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Reading comprehension my friend. You stated emphatically she would have been vaccinated now you claim you didn't say that - read above. Infection Ag claim "not necessarily true" so he didn't claim she wasn't but you claimed she was. Soooooo....the burden of proof looks like its in your court!

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He said he had read that she wasn't vaccinated at all. I asked for the articles he read because the one posted here doesn't say that. The child had already been diagnosed in China with some pretty serious conditions. If she was receiving that type of care in China, she likely would have gotten some childhood vaccines. I don't know her vaccines status (what she has or hasn't had) i.e. whether she's "completely vaccinated" except for COVID and Flu, which is keeping her off the list according to what's been posted.

So, no, I never said she was "completely vaccinated." Reading comprehension, my friend.

HIs first post on this thread.

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I leave open the possibility that she received no vaccines in China but I'd be very surprised by that for the reason stated.

Her full vaccination status is likely private in her health records. Unless the parents state personally you won't hear or know. It won't come from the hospital unless they want to violate HIPAA privacy laws.

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I didn't claim he said it.

And not one single person should take any medical advice from you. Ever.

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IMO, a physician who wants to go against pharmaceutical and insurance standards should be questioned if not totally ignored. There are plenty of bad doctors who claim to be 'doing right by patients' but are full of **** and have their heads up their insolent a-holes. Doctors are not miracle workers, even if they claim to be.

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Because the framing here is "child denied transplant due to COVID vaccine status" when the actual story is "child denied transplant due to not having any vaccines at all".

No facility anywhere in the world is going to agree to give an organ to someone unwilling to receive any vaccines at all. It would not only be bad medicine, it's fundamentally immoral. There are a very finite numbers of organs. Most people who need a transplant never get one. You owe it both to people on the transplant list as well as those that donated their organs to maximize the likelihood that a recipient will survive and the organ won't be wasted. It's no different than requiring someone stop smoking and doing drugs, or losing weight before a transplant. Getting a heart transplant only to die of preventable pneumococcal meningitis 3 months later would be a travesty.

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It's immoral to force vaccines on someone for life saving procedures.

There's a Cincinnati Enquirer article that gives a bit more detail. The claim that it's only the COVID and flu vaccines preventing access to the list comes from the parents. But in that article it says the parents refused them on religious grounds. I don't think it's going to be much of a stretch to say she isn't up to date on any and that the parents are refusing any preparatory vaccination for the procedure.

They're also going to go to a different transplant organization that doesn't require vaccines to get on the list, so I don't really see the problem here. They aren't entitled to get on the Cincinnati hospital list. Healthcare providers can set their own policy.

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Oh, here we go again with the medical community deciding who gets to live or die based on their personal beliefs. Here's a thought, just do the damn job you signed up for. Help people. I swear, if you find a doctor that cares more about patients and doing right by patients rather than following protocol dictated by big pharma and big insurance then you've found a truly good one. Health professionals can be just as corrupt as the damned politicians. Sad what the medical community has become. A cured patient is no longer a patient...better to just treat the symptoms.

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Yep, with a few exceptions (there's 1-2 good ones on here), I just see "look at me, I am good at memorizing stuff, and capitalized on it so I could live in a nice house and drive a porche, but don't ask me to think outside of the box, because I only understand what is in the user manual that I memorized and what the government has told me to think and do...btw EGGS AND RED MEAT WILL KILL YOU!"

Man did they show their ass during Covid. Very few doctors didn't.

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Because the framing here is "child denied transplant due to COVID vaccine status" when the actual story is "child denied transplant due to not having any vaccines at all".

No facility anywhere in the world is going to agree to give an organ to someone unwilling to receive any vaccines at all. It would not only be bad medicine, it's fundamentally immoral. There are a very finite numbers of organs. Most people who need a transplant never get one. You owe it both to people on the transplant list as well as those that donated their organs to maximize the likelihood that a recipient will survive and the organ won't be wasted. It's no different than requiring someone stop smoking and doing drugs, or losing weight before a transplant. Getting a heart transplant only to die of preventable pneumococcal meningitis 3 months later would be a travesty.

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To each his own.

As for me and my family, the last several years have made it abundantly clear that the entire modern American medical establishment is corrupted to the core and not actually interested in curing people. The entire system is set up to perpetually "treat the symptoms" of chronic diseases, the vast majority of which could be cured through lifestyle or diet changes.

But there's no money in helping somebody make better lifestyle and diet choices.

Covid did a lot of things. One of the good things it did was open people's eyes to how corrupt and dumb the whole system has been allowed to become.

And then the trans stuff just pushes the entire edifice over the ledge.

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1) Trust a good provider for acute issues (broken bones/burns etc)

2) Question everything else.

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It's no different than requiring someone stop smoking and doing drugs, or losing weight before a transplant. Getting a heart transplant only to die of preventable pneumococcal meningitis 3 months later would be a travesty.

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So will they deny organ transplants to anyone who smokes or drinks alcohol at all? By your logic, they should, right? Hell, they should also make sure this person ONLY eats very healthy foods, right? If you ever eat a microwave meal or fast food, no transplant for you. It would be immoral, when there are healthier people on standby.

I'm no fool...drinking/smoking/bad diet is WAY worse for a recipient or potential recipient than not being vaccinated against a bunch of diseases that are almost all but snuffed out in the modern western world.

No offense, but your reputation took a bit of a ding on here, starting in March of 2020. You were one of the big Covid Karens of the board and ardent defenders of Fauci. We don't really defer to you as any type of medical authority, although you do provide some interesting information from time to time, and are not a bad poster.

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The problem is most people are unwilling to make those changes despite repeated discussions and in many cases even after life threatening events related to them.

This idea that we don't want people to eat better, lose weight and exercise is absurd. It's just that many people have little to no interest in doing so. So here we are.

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Agreed

The problem is most people are unwilling to make those changes despite repeated discussions and in many cases even after life threatening events related to them.

This idea that we don't want people to eat better, lose weight and exercise is absurd. It's just that many people have little to no interest in doing so. So here we are.

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I think the public is really stating to wake up. Having RFK advance the fight against ultra processed food is going to help a lot.

If we can remove seed oils and fake food coloring and a few other things from our food supply, there will be less chronic diseases.

If we can remove pharma's ability to do Direct to consumer advertising (which is really just a bribe being paid to media outlets) than maybe we can have some real investigative journalism look into the drug makers that are killing Americans and keeping them sick.

This isn't a topic I ever thought about pre 2020 (thanks Covid!) but now I've spent considerable time researching these things.

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Agreed

The problem is most people are unwilling to make those changes despite repeated discussions and in many cases even after life threatening events related to them.

This idea that we don't want people to eat better, lose weight and exercise is absurd. It's just that many people have little to no interest in doing so. So here we are.

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Wonder where people got this idea from? Good diet, exercise, being outdoors and getting sunlight, taking lots of vitamin D etc should have been FRONT AND CENTER of the discussion from February of 2020, through now, if they TRULY cared about peoples' health. Almost no one in any sort of prominent position was mentioning this. Instead, we were arresting surfers and beachgoers, closing gyms, but keeping liquor stores and bars open. You can take your mask off as long as you are sitting down! LOLOL

Constantly focusing on the importance of good health would obviously be bad for business from the view of the medical and pharma industries, but it would have been the right thing to do. That is a FACT. I am not making allegations, but one does start to wonder, when the medical leaders almost never mentioned the importance of good diet, sunlight, exercise and vitamin D. The only things, pre-vaccine, that would have actually helped people more than anything else. Should have been front and center of every presser, but it wasn't. Not to mention the horrible effects on mental and metabolic health of constantly pum[ping people with fear and demanding that they stay indoors as much as possible and stay away from family and friends.

But when doctors were saying that you had to get the "vaccine" in order for other peoples "vaccine" to magically work, I think a lot of people woke up. Doctors are not special. They are just good at memorizing things and they want nice car and house. That's it.

Haha forgot to add doctors saying it's ok to protest and riot in massive numbers on narrow crowded streets as long as it is for a social justice cause. You magically become immune to viruses if you are rioting and looting in honor of a violent-pregnant-woman-robbing-thug who overdosed on enough fentanyl to kill a small village.

Lots of dumb@ss doctors and scientists. No one is impressed by the "Dr." label anymore.

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The problem is most people are unwilling to make those changes despite repeated discussions and in many cases even after life threatening events related to them.

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By the way, I love hummus. If anyone knows where I can buy hummus without canola or sunflower oil, please let me know. I recently discovered that every single brand at HEB and Kroger is polluted with this inflammatory crap.

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The problem is most people are unwilling to make those changes despite repeated discussions and in many cases even after life threatening events related to them.

This idea that we don't want people to eat better, lose weight and exercise is absurd. It's just that many people have little to no interest in doing so. So here we are.

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Wonder where people got this idea from? Good diet, exercise, being outdoors and getting sunlight, taking lots of vitamin D etc should have been FRONT AND CENTER of the discussion from February of 2020, through now, if they TRULY cared about peoples' health. Almost no one in any sort of prominent position was mentioning this. Instead, we were arresting surfers and beachgoers, closing gyms, but keeping liquor stores and bars open. You can take your mask off as long as you are sitting down! LOLOL

Constantly focusing on the importance of good health would obviously be bad for business from the view of the medical and pharma industries, but it would have been the right thing to do. That is a FACT. I am not making allegations, but one does start to wonder, when the medical leaders almost never mentioned the importance of good diet, sunlight, exercise and vitamin D.

But when doctors were saying that you had to get the "vaccine" in order for other peoples "vaccine" to magically work, I think a lot of people woke up. Doctors are not special. They are just good at memorizing things and they want nice car and house. That's it.

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Also don't forget the suppression of news that off the shelf repurposed drugs were helping people with Covid because that would have prevented an emergency authorization to make the "vaccine" which of course was the only track the system cared about because…well, the trillions of dollars at stake forcing people to take a new vaccine. They couldn't let a 12 cent "horse dewormer" cancel that bonanza.

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Agreed

The problem is most people are unwilling to make those changes despite repeated discussions and in many cases even after life threatening events related to them.

This idea that we don't want people to eat better, lose weight and exercise is absurd. It's just that many people have little to no interest in doing so. So here we are.

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Agreed

The problem is most people are unwilling to make those changes despite repeated discussions and in many cases even after life threatening events related to them.

This idea that we don't want people to eat better, lose weight and exercise is absurd. It's just that many people have little to no interest in doing so. So here we are.

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Wonder where people got this idea from? Good diet, exercise, being outdoors and getting sunlight, taking lots of vitamin D etc should have been FRONT AND CENTER of the discussion from February of 2020, through now, if they TRULY cared about peoples' health. Almost no one in any sort of prominent position was mentioning this. Instead, we were arresting surfers and beachgoers, closing gyms, but keeping liquor stores and bars open. You can take your mask off as long as you are sitting down! LOLOL

Constantly focusing on the importance of good health would obviously be bad for business from the view of the medical and pharma industries, but it would have been the right thing to do. That is a FACT. I am not making allegations, but one does start to wonder, when the medical leaders almost never mentioned the importance of good diet, sunlight, exercise and vitamin D.

But when doctors were saying that you had to get the "vaccine" in order for other peoples "vaccine" to magically work, I think a lot of people woke up. Doctors are not special. They are just good at memorizing things and they want nice car and house. That's it.

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Also don't forget the suppression of news that off the shelf repurposed drugs were helping people with Covid because that would have prevented an emergency authorization to make the "vaccine" which of course was the only track the system cared about because…well, the trillions of dollars at stake forcing people to take a new vaccine. They couldn't let a 12 cent "horse dewormer" cancel that bonanza.

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We're probably closer in opinion than you may think. I was called anti-vaxx on this board before it was cool. The insurance companies, in particular, push back against unnecessary medical procedures and the over-medication of the populace. For many medical issues, there is no 'cure' only management. Pharmaceutical companies are incentivized to provide more innovative products and services. Yes, that comes at a cost, but, again, insurance companies assist in determining which products and services are meaningful and valuable and which are not. I wonder if your problem with 'big pharma' applies more to FDA regulations and government protections.

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The problem is most people are unwilling to make those changes despite repeated discussions and in many cases even after life threatening events related to them.

This idea that we don't want people to eat better, lose weight and exercise is absurd. It's just that many people have little to no interest in doing so. So here we are.

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The problem is that the food supply has been trashed through an upside down food pyramid, lies about animal fats, lies about the health benefits of seed oils, the sugar lobby, GMO wheat that leaves byproducts in our bodies, and dyes that are injected into almost every food we eat.

Every single athlete, nutritionist, and sports scientist will tell you that you can work out all you want.

But none of that matters if you are loading your body up with **** because of what you put into your mouth.

Go look at what is currently on the shelves. There was a major shift in what was being put on our grocery store shelves in the 1980's and 1990's.

People downplayed the effect of sugar and overblown the effect of animal fats and the result has been more diabetes, more heart disease, and more obesity.

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Oh, here we go again with the medical community deciding who gets to live or die based on their personal beliefs. Here's a thought, just do the damn job you signed up for. Help people. I swear, if you find a doctor that cares more about patients and doing right by patients rather than following protocol dictated by big pharma and big insurance then you've found a truly good one. Health professionals can be just as corrupt as the damned politicians. Sad what the medical community has become. A cured patient is no longer a patient...better to just treat the symptoms.

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Ding, Ding, Ding!

And that's the issue big Pharma, Rockefeller institute, and now the Gates foundation have dominated medical procedures and education for decades. And when Obama came in they went to war against natural pathic doctors. Literally!

They attacked vilified anyone who came out against the Covid scam and on this board the leader of the Covidians was Infec Ag 11.

These are the same ones who said trust the science, well they blew that trust. Sorry.

And the efficacy of many of these is no one near 100% and yet they act like it is.

Furhtermore, we really don't know what sort of long term impact some of these can have.

We have a corrupt FDA and NIH and CDC. So... yea. No vax should be forced. PERIOD.

Oh have had some vaxes and gave my children vaxes that were tried and true. A lot of the new stuff, NO WAY.

It's about the money. And docs were trained in the system, So they have been tauctaught to question the durg makers and it can be quiet harmful to ones carrier in medicine to do so, if not your life.

So many drug whitsleblowers committed suicide, So many, And so many naturopathic docs as well. Or the get attacked, Like Dr Mercola or Simon Gould or thousands of others.

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Agreed

The problem is most people are unwilling to make those changes despite repeated discussions and in many cases even after life threatening events related to them.

This idea that we don't want people to eat better, lose weight and exercise is absurd. It's just that many people have little to no interest in doing so. So here we are.

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I think the public is really stating to wake up. Having RFK advance the fight against ultra processed food is going to help a lot.

If we can remove seed oils and fake food coloring and a few other things from our food supply, there will be less chronic diseases.

If we can remove pharma's ability to do Direct to consumer advertising (which is really just a bribe being paid to media outlets) than maybe we can have some real investigative journalism look into the drug makers that are killing Americans and keeping them sick.

This isn't a topic I ever thought about pre 2020 (thanks Covid!) but now I've spent considerable time researching these things.

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Is RKF and his Zyn pouches going to make nicotine cool again? The ability to self-medicate using nicotine could assist with all the mental health and anxiety issues teens have today. It also acts as a natural weight loss aid through diet suppression.

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So will they deny organ transplants to anyone who smokes or drinks alcohol at all? By your logic, they should, right? Hell, they should also make sure this person ONLY eats very healthy foods, right? If you ever eat a microwave meal or fast food, no transplant for you. It would be immoral, when there are healthier people on standby.

I'm no fool...drinking/smoking/bad diet is WAY worse for a recipient or potential recipient than not being vaccinated against a bunch of diseases that are almost all but snuffed out in the modern western world.

No offense, but your reputation took a bit of a ding on here, starting in March of 2020. You were one of the big Covid Karens of the board and ardent defenders of Fauci. We don't really defer to you as any type of medical authority, although you do provide some interesting information from time to time, and are not a bad poster.

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And how do you think those diseases were all but snuffed out?

Many were snuffed out by understanding what causes the disease to go into a pandemic.

So when we begin to understand how we handle waste. Killing the source of the pathogen and how it spreads.

It was not always vaccines. Of course the big pharma's want you to believe that, it is their cash cow.


It is also the largest lobby group and the largest payer of advertisements.

I was totally confused on that, I guess the outbreaks of measles happening in low vaccination populations are simply because they aren't washing their hands and disposing of waste properly. I learned something new today.

I am at the point where I seriously question whether any vaccine has done more harm than good.

*Vaccines are not to be confused with inoculation which in some cases might be a smart thing to do.

I had child hood diseases, like Chicken pox and measles as well. All it did was build my immunity.

But a lot of diseases were eradicated through natural means . Like understanding the importance of drinking clear water. Or properly storing and cooking foods. Water treatment and sewage systems are huge in eliminating diseases.

Air condition and refrigeration are relatively new. Ya know, things like just modern advances.

Do you mind naming the diseases that were "all but snuffed out in the western world" as the other poster said by natural means?

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I am at the point where I seriously question whether any vaccine has done more harm than good.

*Vaccines are not to be confused with inoculation which in some cases might be a smart thing to do.

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And here we are

dysentery, cholerae and typhoid. the 'plague'. LOL

Again, understanding the disease and how it thrives and spreads, and thus eliminate it at it's source and proper hygiene and actually having treatments to help on get through them and thus build up natural immunities is much more important then creating a vax.

The question is with 'gain of function' and the creation of biological warfare. Has big pharma been a net help or harm to the worlds health, I wouild argue harm.

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So will they deny organ transplants to anyone who smokes or drinks alcohol at all? By your logic, they should, right? Hell, they should also make sure this person ONLY eats very healthy foods, right? If you ever eat a microwave meal or fast food, no transplant for you. It would be immoral, when there are healthier people on standby.

I'm no fool...drinking/smoking/bad diet is WAY worse for a recipient or potential recipient than not being vaccinated against a bunch of diseases that are almost all but snuffed out in the modern western world.

No offense, but your reputation took a bit of a ding on here, starting in March of 2020. You were one of the big Covid Karens of the board and ardent defenders of Fauci. We don't really defer to you as any type of medical authority, although you do provide some interesting information from time to time, and are not a bad poster.

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