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dysentery, cholerae and typhoid. the 'plague'. LOL

Again, understanding the disease and how it thrives and spreads, and thus eliminate it at it's source and proper hygiene and actually having treatments to help on get through them and thus build up natural immunities is much more important then creating a vax.

The question is with 'gain of function' and the creation of biological warfare. Has big pharma been a net help or harm to the worlds health, I wouild argue harm.

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People understood polio and smallpox pretty well and never could build up a natural immunity for some reason, then something was invented to helped eradicate those diseases. I can't recall what that invention was called though...

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It's no different than requiring someone stop smoking and doing drugs, or losing weight before a transplant. Getting a heart transplant only to die of preventable pneumococcal meningitis 3 months later would be a travesty.

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So will they deny organ transplants to anyone who smokes or drinks alcohol at all? By your logic, they should, right? Hell, they should also make sure this person ONLY eats very healthy foods, right? If you ever eat a microwave meal or fast food, no transplant for you. It would be immoral, when there are healthier people on standby.

I'm no fool...drinking/smoking/bad diet is WAY worse for a recipient or potential recipient than not being vaccinated against a bunch of diseases that are almost all but snuffed out in the modern western world.

No offense, but your reputation took a bit of a ding on here, starting in March of 2020. You were one of the big Covid Karens of the board and ardent defenders of Fauci. We don't really defer to you as any type of medical authority, although you do provide some interesting information from time to time, and are not a bad poster.

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And how do you think those diseases were all but snuffed out?

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Not by vaccines.

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You don't think measles was all but eradicated in the western world by vaccines? What about polio?

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It's no different than requiring someone stop smoking and doing drugs, or losing weight before a transplant. Getting a heart transplant only to die of preventable pneumococcal meningitis 3 months later would be a travesty.

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So will they deny organ transplants to anyone who smokes or drinks alcohol at all? By your logic, they should, right? Hell, they should also make sure this person ONLY eats very healthy foods, right? If you ever eat a microwave meal or fast food, no transplant for you. It would be immoral, when there are healthier people on standby.

I'm no fool...drinking/smoking/bad diet is WAY worse for a recipient or potential recipient than not being vaccinated against a bunch of diseases that are almost all but snuffed out in the modern western world.

No offense, but your reputation took a bit of a ding on here, starting in March of 2020. You were one of the big Covid Karens of the board and ardent defenders of Fauci. We don't really defer to you as any type of medical authority, although you do provide some interesting information from time to time, and are not a bad poster.

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And how do you think those diseases were all but snuffed out?

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Not by vaccines.

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You don't think measles was all but eradicated in the western world by vaccines?

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No

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Teslag said:

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SociallyConditionedAg said:

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It's no different than requiring someone stop smoking and doing drugs, or losing weight before a transplant. Getting a heart transplant only to die of preventable pneumococcal meningitis 3 months later would be a travesty.

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So will they deny organ transplants to anyone who smokes or drinks alcohol at all? By your logic, they should, right? Hell, they should also make sure this person ONLY eats very healthy foods, right? If you ever eat a microwave meal or fast food, no transplant for you. It would be immoral, when there are healthier people on standby.

I'm no fool...drinking/smoking/bad diet is WAY worse for a recipient or potential recipient than not being vaccinated against a bunch of diseases that are almost all but snuffed out in the modern western world.

No offense, but your reputation took a bit of a ding on here, starting in March of 2020. You were one of the big Covid Karens of the board and ardent defenders of Fauci. We don't really defer to you as any type of medical authority, although you do provide some interesting information from time to time, and are not a bad poster.

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And how do you think those diseases were all but snuffed out?

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Not by vaccines.

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You don't think measles was all but eradicated in the western world by vaccines?

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No

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Please do tell. What eradicated measels from the western world? And polio?

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dysentery, cholerae and typhoid. the 'plague'. LOL

Again, understanding the disease and how it thrives and spreads, and thus eliminate it at it's source and proper hygiene and actually having treatments to help on get through them and thus build up natural immunities is much more important then creating a vax.

The question is with 'gain of function' and the creation of biological warfare. Has big pharma been a net help or harm to the worlds health, I wouild argue harm.

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People understood polio and smallpox pretty well and never could build up a natural immunity for some reason, then something was invented to helped eradicate those diseases. I can't recall what that invention was called though...

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Yeah, I don't know about that.

https://archive.legmt.gov/bills/2021/Minutes/Senate/Exhibits/phs69a04.pdf

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dysentery, cholerae and typhoid. the 'plague'. LOL

Again, understanding the disease and how it thrives and spreads, and thus eliminate it at it's source and proper hygiene and actually having treatments to help on get through them and thus build up natural immunities is much more important then creating a vax.

The question is with 'gain of function' and the creation of biological warfare. Has big pharma been a net help or harm to the worlds health, I wouild argue harm.

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People understood polio and smallpox pretty well and never could build up a natural immunity for some reason, then something was invented to helped eradicate those diseases. I can't recall what that invention was called though...

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Yeah, I don't know about that.

https://archive.legmt.gov/bills/2021/Minutes/Senate/Exhibits/phs69a04.pdf

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Exactly!

So I know how rabies works, I keep myself, my home and dog clean, so all I have left to do is find a racoon foaming at the mouth to bite him and he will build natural immunity? Would this also work with rusty nails for tetanus?

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It's no different than requiring someone stop smoking and doing drugs, or losing weight before a transplant. Getting a heart transplant only to die of preventable pneumococcal meningitis 3 months later would be a travesty.

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So will they deny organ transplants to anyone who smokes or drinks alcohol at all? By your logic, they should, right? Hell, they should also make sure this person ONLY eats very healthy foods, right? If you ever eat a microwave meal or fast food, no transplant for you. It would be immoral, when there are healthier people on standby.

I'm no fool...drinking/smoking/bad diet is WAY worse for a recipient or potential recipient than not being vaccinated against a bunch of diseases that are almost all but snuffed out in the modern western world.

No offense, but your reputation took a bit of a ding on here, starting in March of 2020. You were one of the big Covid Karens of the board and ardent defenders of Fauci. We don't really defer to you as any type of medical authority, although you do provide some interesting information from time to time, and are not a bad poster.

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And how do you think those diseases were all but snuffed out?

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Not by vaccines.

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You don't think measles was all but eradicated in the western world by vaccines?

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No

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Please do tell. What eradicated measels from the western world? And polio?

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Sanitation and reducing/eliminating pesticides, along with redefining the definition of polio.

I'm a donor. Can I note that I don't want any of my organs going to n people who got the jab that did NOT have any existing health issues? If my lungs go to someone who got the jab, but they have IPF, I'm fine with that. But I don't want it going to some ding dong who got vaxxed and ruined his lungs vaping.

The source of that paper you posted is a facebook page called "rageagainstvaccines"...not exactly what I would call a scientific paper. I did however notice a lack of scientific sources cited...

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It's no different than requiring someone stop smoking and doing drugs, or losing weight before a transplant. Getting a heart transplant only to die of preventable pneumococcal meningitis 3 months later would be a travesty.

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So will they deny organ transplants to anyone who smokes or drinks alcohol at all? By your logic, they should, right? Hell, they should also make sure this person ONLY eats very healthy foods, right? If you ever eat a microwave meal or fast food, no transplant for you. It would be immoral, when there are healthier people on standby.

I'm no fool...drinking/smoking/bad diet is WAY worse for a recipient or potential recipient than not being vaccinated against a bunch of diseases that are almost all but snuffed out in the modern western world.

No offense, but your reputation took a bit of a ding on here, starting in March of 2020. You were one of the big Covid Karens of the board and ardent defenders of Fauci. We don't really defer to you as any type of medical authority, although you do provide some interesting information from time to time, and are not a bad poster.

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And how do you think those diseases were all but snuffed out?

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Not by vaccines.

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You don't think measles was all but eradicated in the western world by vaccines?

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No

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Please do tell. What eradicated measels from the western world? And polio?

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Sanitation and reducing/eliminating pesticides, along with redefining the definition of polio.

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oh boy

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The source of that paper you posted is a facebook page called "rageagainstvaccines"...not exactly what I would call a scientific paper. I did however notice a lack of scientific sources cited...

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"No one is anti-vax, we just are against experimental MRNA vaccines being forced on us"


Pepperidge Farm remembers...

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It's no different than requiring someone stop smoking and doing drugs, or losing weight before a transplant. Getting a heart transplant only to die of preventable pneumococcal meningitis 3 months later would be a travesty.

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So will they deny organ transplants to anyone who smokes or drinks alcohol at all? By your logic, they should, right? Hell, they should also make sure this person ONLY eats very healthy foods, right? If you ever eat a microwave meal or fast food, no transplant for you. It would be immoral, when there are healthier people on standby.

I'm no fool...drinking/smoking/bad diet is WAY worse for a recipient or potential recipient than not being vaccinated against a bunch of diseases that are almost all but snuffed out in the modern western world.

No offense, but your reputation took a bit of a ding on here, starting in March of 2020. You were one of the big Covid Karens of the board and ardent defenders of Fauci. We don't really defer to you as any type of medical authority, although you do provide some interesting information from time to time, and are not a bad poster.

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That's another debate. A 12 year old girl in need of a heart shouldn't be punished for not joining the gang and getting her now-worthless polio vax.

If people want to argue about things like RSV etc....that's a different debate. I still think it's crazy to deny her because she's pure blooded. But we live in a crazy world run largely by secular democrats, so...

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The article only says because of no flu and covid vaccines, but I wonder if it is because the kid has no vaccines at all.

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who cares if she does or doesn't?!?

that ought to have ZERO impact on her ability to get other healthcare.

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A kid without the measles vaccine should be brought into a hospital, or even surgical ward? Are you for real?

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If everyone else is vaccinated, what's the risk?

Waiting to hear which vaccines don't actually work

"Pure blooded"? What does that even mean?
All the weird antivax stuff aside it is really pretty simple. There is a organization that has something you need, there is a set of rules for you to get that thing that you need, you follow the rules to get it. You are free to disagree with their rules, and they are free to not give you that thing you need.

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"Pure blooded"? What does that even mean?
All the weird antivax stuff aside it is really pretty simple. There is a organization that has something you need, there is a set of rules for you to get that thing that you need, you follow the rules to get it. You are free to disagree with their rules, and they are free to not give you that thing you need.

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We get that they have the right to do it...we are saying these rules are stupid, bordering on evil. Just like the hospital rules that your dying mother of grandfather has to go F themselves and die scared and alone so that you don't catch a cold from them.

You're a liberal, your allies believe LGBTQ cartoon p0rn like "Gender Queer" belongs in elementary schools and that puberty blockers and mastectomies for confused 12 and 13 yr olds is not only humane, but the only ethical approach.

Your best and brightest can't define what a woman is and literally believed that I had to get my "vaccine" in order for your "vaccine" to work.

Stop calling others weird or crazy.

Wow, I point out that the term "pure blooded" used in the context that you used it is weird and cringey AF, and you go on a name calling rant about liberals and issues unrelated to those at hand. Then you top it off by saying we shouldn't call antivaxxers crazy or weird….

It is neither weird nor cringy.


Sorry your shot lost

Lmao! Use that term to describe yourself in public and report back how people respond.

I am headed to H-E-B, I will do that and report back shortly.

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Oh, here we go again with the medical community deciding who gets to live or die based on their personal beliefs. Here's a thought, just do the damn job you signed up for. Help people. I swear, if you find a doctor that cares more about patients and doing right by patients rather than following protocol dictated by big pharma and big insurance then you've found a truly good one. Health professionals can be just as corrupt as the damned politicians. Sad what the medical community has become. A cured patient is no longer a patient...better to just treat the symptoms.

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i agree. That little red + icon doesn't mean nearly as much as it did pre covid.

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To me it's a big red flag.

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Yup - especially the quack, on this thread, that so happened to join this site on Dec 2019.

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I am headed to H-E-B, I will do that and report back shortly.

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Small world, just told the butcher at my HEB to go to the back and cut me off some grass fed beef because I like my cows pure blooded, like myself. He chuckled, winked, gave me a fist bump, and said "Hellya, I'm a pure blood too!"…he then said "can you keep a secret?", and tacked on an extra 1lb NY Strip for free.

Point being….It's an exclusive club that pays dividends…and cslifer ain't in it.

You do know that Reddit has a whole subreddit for people to make up stories and post them, right?

so in the meat section where there is always a lot of people congregated, I announced that I was a pure blood. At first, I got some strange looks from people and a couple of smiles from what appeared to be Harry Potter fans.

Then I explain to them that by "pure blood" I meant I had not taken the Trump Fauci-Vax. Not only did I get a round of applause from everyone in the area, several from wine section and the deli also joined in the clapping.

But it was not everyone. A couple of transgendered people and a few in longhorn shirts were clearly not happy about my proclamation.

Four voluptuous blonde women in their early 30s asked if I would sire their children. I was also asked to be the godparent of several Hispanic immigrants. I don't know if they are legal or not, but that's the topic of another thread.

Overall, I'd say people responded favorably.

Let us know how the drag show at the kindergarten takes the announcement you got your 18th booster.

The obsession with drag shows really makes me start wondering…

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I am headed to H-E-B, I will do that and report back shortly.

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Small world, just told the butcher at my HEB to go to the back and cut me off some grass fed beef because I like my cows pure blooded, like myself. He chuckled, winked, gave me a fist bump, and said "Hellya, I'm a pure blood too!"…he then said "can you keep a secret?", and tacked on an extra 1lb NY Strip for free.

Point being….It's an exclusive club that pays dividends…and cslifer ain't in it.

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Grass fed beef is trash for liberal urban hippy dorks

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It's no different than requiring someone stop smoking and doing drugs, or losing weight before a transplant. Getting a heart transplant only to die of preventable pneumococcal meningitis 3 months later would be a travesty.

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So will they deny organ transplants to anyone who smokes or drinks alcohol at all? By your logic, they should, right? Hell, they should also make sure this person ONLY eats very healthy foods, right? If you ever eat a microwave meal or fast food, no transplant for you. It would be immoral, when there are healthier people on standby.

I'm no fool...drinking/smoking/bad diet is WAY worse for a recipient or potential recipient than not being vaccinated against a bunch of diseases that are almost all but snuffed out in the modern western world.

No offense, but your reputation took a bit of a ding on here, starting in March of 2020. You were one of the big Covid Karens of the board and ardent defenders of Fauci. We don't really defer to you as any type of medical authority, although you do provide some interesting information from time to time, and are not a bad poster.

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And how do you think those diseases were all but snuffed out?

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Not by vaccines.

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You don't think measles was all but eradicated in the western world by vaccines?

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No

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Please do tell. What eradicated measels from the western world? And polio?

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Sanitation and reducing/eliminating pesticides, along with redefining the definition of polio.

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Yikes

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Many were snuffed out by understanding what causes the disease to go into a pandemic.

So when we begin to understand how we handle waste. Killing the source of the pathogen and how it spreads.

It was not always vaccines. Of course the big pharma's want you to believe that, it is their cash cow.


It is also the largest lobby group and the largest payer of advertisements.

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What percentage of all pharmaceutical profits do you think come from vaccines? Just ballpark it for me.

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It's no different than requiring someone stop smoking and doing drugs, or losing weight before a transplant. Getting a heart transplant only to die of preventable pneumococcal meningitis 3 months later would be a travesty.

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So will they deny organ transplants to anyone who smokes or drinks alcohol at all? By your logic, they should, right? Hell, they should also make sure this person ONLY eats very healthy foods, right? If you ever eat a microwave meal or fast food, no transplant for you. It would be immoral, when there are healthier people on standby.

I'm no fool...drinking/smoking/bad diet is WAY worse for a recipient or potential recipient than not being vaccinated against a bunch of diseases that are almost all but snuffed out in the modern western world.

No offense, but your reputation took a bit of a ding on here, starting in March of 2020. You were one of the big Covid Karens of the board and ardent defenders of Fauci. We don't really defer to you as any type of medical authority, although you do provide some interesting information from time to time, and are not a bad poster.

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And how do you think those diseases were all but snuffed out?

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Not by vaccines.

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You don't think measles was all but eradicated in the western world by vaccines?

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No

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Please do tell. What eradicated measels from the western world? And polio?

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Sanitation and reducing/eliminating pesticides, along with redefining the definition of polio.

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Yikes

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To borrow from Reagan, the trouble with our doctor friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. It's sad how far the profession has fallen since COVID.

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I am at the point where I seriously question whether any vaccine has done more harm than good.

*Vaccines are not to be confused with inoculation which in some cases might be a smart thing to do.

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It makes total sense that the 20th C concept of an inactive disease `the flu shot' partly triggering immunity response would help rather than waiting for the full impact. The real question is the notion of something that reprograms how you respond, rna, genetic, etc. Simulating something that occurs naturally seems a different animal.

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The obsession with drag shows really makes me start wondering…

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Yep, the left really is pretty sick for obsessing over those shows and bringing children and even letting them perform sexually suggestive dances to rounds of feverish applause from leftist adults in attendance. I agree with you.

You're starting to finally see. You're being redpilled, it can be scary at first…using things like logic and starting to adopt a moral compass. Proud of you!

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OPAG said:

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Many were snuffed out by understanding what causes the disease to go into a pandemic.

So when we begin to understand how we handle waste. Killing the source of the pathogen and how it spreads.

It was not always vaccines. Of course the big pharma's want you to believe that, it is their cash cow.


It is also the largest lobby group and the largest payer of advertisements.

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What percentage of all pharmaceutical profits do you think come from vaccines? Just ballpark it for me.

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It's a very solid revenue stream that they would not want to lose. They would not be fine with that spigot drying up overnight. They'd be freaking the F out.

It's gotta be in the Billions annually worldwide, right?

El Gallo Blanco said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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OPAG said:

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Many were snuffed out by understanding what causes the disease to go into a pandemic.

So when we begin to understand how we handle waste. Killing the source of the pathogen and how it spreads.

It was not always vaccines. Of course the big pharma's want you to believe that, it is their cash cow.


It is also the largest lobby group and the largest payer of advertisements.

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What percentage of all pharmaceutical profits do you think come from vaccines? Just ballpark it for me.

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It's a very solid revenue stream that they would not want to lose. They would not be fine with that spigot drying up overnight. They'd be freaking the F out.

It's gotta be in the Billions annually worldwide, right?

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It's around 3%

If you just factor in the childhood vaccinations, which seemed to be what he was referencing in particular with that post, it's significantly less than that. The vast majority of pharmaceutical profits come from drugs that treat chronic diseases that people take for years or decades. Cholesterol medication, diabetes medication, blood pressure medication, heart failure medication, immunomodulators, etc. Vaccines that you get once or a few times in your life time just don't measure up financially.

For perspective, Pfizer made more money off of Lipitor alone than from all pre-COVID vaccination revenue combined since the founding of the company.