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I have followed closely the major crisis that is taking place in the United States with the initiation of a program of mass deportations

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I like how this Pope (and frankly the media and the Left) frame the deportations as a "major crisis".

while they all but ignored the caravans of hundreds of thousands that trekked up here to begin with, the foul practice of human trafficking and use of coyotes that gave the cartels a major income stream, the endangerment of children and people to make the trek all encouraged/aided by certain Catholic NGOs and our own POTUS at the time, and the importation of thousands of criminals and terrorists. That wasn't a crisis, the deportation is.

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Bob Lee said:

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I know y'all don't care, but what the heck. This is the actual quote from the letter to the Bishops. That's not the same as the thread title. Strictly speaking, this is true.

"What is built on the basis of force, and not on the truth about the equal dignity of every human being, begins badly and will end badly."

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First: There is a reason that the Pope has to be clarified about everything that is reported about him. And even though I don't like Pope Francis, he is often misconstrued and misquoted in the press. I don't know what the agenda is there or whose agenda it is, but the pattern of 'clarifying' his statements afterwards is very observable.

Second: If he actually believes his own quote, then he should realize that the crime against the dignity happens first at the beginning. Which is to say, where these 'immigrants' felt compelled to leave their homeland in the first place, not when they arrived at our border. If he is worrying about the end being bad, he should focus more on whatever is causing these people to leave in the first place, not on what the people at the end have to do to rectify the problem.

Additionally, where is his concern about the human dignity of the native people of America who have to suffer through the confiscation of their property to provide for these invaders, or worse those who have to suffer directly for the personal violence and crimes against them?

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It's good to engage with what he actually is saying. If you want to be critical of that, then fine. I didn't offer any clarification. I quoted his letter directly because the OP lied about what he said.

Worth the watch....

"Stick to the Catholic Church. Leave border enforcement to us."

— Border czar Tom Homan responded to the Pope's criticism of U.S. deportation policies@RealTomHoman @SharlaMcBride @Marc_Lotter pic.twitter.com/pgDzGRSUIW

— NEWSMAX (@NEWSMAX) February 11, 2025

And if mass deportations DO end badly, whose fault is that, Mr. Pope?

Don't know how much catholic charities was getting but the USCCB (Council of Catholic Bishops) were getting lots of $$$

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• The USCCB received about $122.6 million in 2022 and about $129.6 million in 2023 in funding from government agencies for refugee-related services.

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That's from Google's generative AI when I searched for gov't funding for Catholic Charities

Bob Lee said:

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American Hardwood said:

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Bob Lee said:

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I know y'all don't care, but what the heck. This is the actual quote from the letter to the Bishops. That's not the same as the thread title. Strictly speaking, this is true.

"What is built on the basis of force, and not on the truth about the equal dignity of every human being, begins badly and will end badly."

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First: There is a reason that the Pope has to be clarified about everything that is reported about him. And even though I don't like Pope Francis, he is often misconstrued and misquoted in the press. I don't know what the agenda is there or whose agenda it is, but the pattern of 'clarifying' his statements afterwards is very observable.

Second: If he actually believes his own quote, then he should realize that the crime against the dignity happens first at the beginning. Which is to say, where these 'immigrants' felt compelled to leave their homeland in the first place, not when they arrived at our border. If he is worrying about the end being bad, he should focus more on whatever is causing these people to leave in the first place, not on what the people at the end have to do to rectify the problem.

Additionally, where is his concern about the human dignity of the native people of America who have to suffer through the confiscation of their property to provide for these invaders, or worse those who have to suffer directly for the personal violence and crimes against them?

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It's good to engage with what he actually is saying. If you want to be critical of that, then fine. I didn't offer any clarification. I quoted his letter directly because the OP lied about what he said.

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No lie about what I said (and the article headline said). I'm sorry that you feel the need to defend this horrible pope (and I'm Catholic).

Catholics, take your church back!

Let's start sending folks to the Vatican. If he cares about his fellow man so much time to open the gates

What is ending badly are the intentional incentives, invitations, and "free stuff" offers that encouraged an invasion of criminals and poor people to put their lives and life savings at risk in order to make false asylum claims and engage in mass migration that empowers cartels and socialist politicians yet hurts our economy, infrastructure/housing/education, and safety.

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Worth the watch....

"Stick to the Catholic Church. Leave border enforcement to us."

— Border czar Tom Homan responded to the Pope's criticism of U.S. deportation policies@RealTomHoman @SharlaMcBride @Marc_Lotter pic.twitter.com/pgDzGRSUIW

— NEWSMAX (@NEWSMAX) February 11, 2025

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Holy carp, I didn't realize the Pope was such a morbidly obese glutton. So much for the "your body is a temple" stuff. Looks like he only eats Little Debbies.

Pope Marx should consider a vow of silence.

He is so full of ****, his eyes are brown.

There's a lot of areas to be critical of him. That one is pretty stupid. I don't imagine any of us look 'good' at 88.

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So, does Papal Infallibility apply to this guy? Asking for a friend.

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Papal infallibility is limited to divinely revealed dogmas of faith and morals that are spoken "ex cathedra" (from the chair), to be held by the universal Church. This is not such a pronouncement and is therefore not infallible.

Pope knows where his worldly bread is buttered. Illegals are a cash cow for the church.

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Bob Lee said:

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American Hardwood said:

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Bob Lee said:

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I know y'all don't care, but what the heck. This is the actual quote from the letter to the Bishops. That's not the same as the thread title. Strictly speaking, this is true.

"What is built on the basis of force, and not on the truth about the equal dignity of every human being, begins badly and will end badly."

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First: There is a reason that the Pope has to be clarified about everything that is reported about him. And even though I don't like Pope Francis, he is often misconstrued and misquoted in the press. I don't know what the agenda is there or whose agenda it is, but the pattern of 'clarifying' his statements afterwards is very observable.

Second: If he actually believes his own quote, then he should realize that the crime against the dignity happens first at the beginning. Which is to say, where these 'immigrants' felt compelled to leave their homeland in the first place, not when they arrived at our border. If he is worrying about the end being bad, he should focus more on whatever is causing these people to leave in the first place, not on what the people at the end have to do to rectify the problem.

Additionally, where is his concern about the human dignity of the native people of America who have to suffer through the confiscation of their property to provide for these invaders, or worse those who have to suffer directly for the personal violence and crimes against them?

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It's good to engage with what he actually is saying. If you want to be critical of that, then fine. I didn't offer any clarification. I quoted his letter directly because the OP lied about what he said.

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No lie about what I said (and the article headline said). I'm sorry that you feel the need to defend this horrible pope (and I'm Catholic).

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"and I'm Catholic" makes this worse. You're still lying. Can you show me where the Pope said that Mass deportations will end badly in the letter he sent to the U S. Bishops? I quoted word for word what you are distorting.

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There's a lot of areas to be critical of him. That one is pretty stupid. I don't imagine any of us look 'good' at 88.

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Fair enough...also, that image may be distorted or just a very unflattering picture. Still hope I am leaner at that age, like my grandaddies were.

I wasn't being critical of you or your post specifically. I agree that the commentary should be about what he actually said, which is still worthy of criticism as I provided. My apologies if you felt targeted, it wasn't my intention.

Still, I see a very obvious intent behind how Pope Francis' quotes are handled by the media of all types. The obvious reasoning, that being to drive a wedge between the Pope and conservative Catholics, seems too simple, too shallow. I think there is deeper purpose to this pattern. My gut tells me that Francis and his ilk WANT his quotes to be misconstrued and misreported.

Read the article and search on 'badly'.

Ends badly for who? Be specific. How can getting rid of thousands of illegal alien criminals possibly be bad for Americans?

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I wasn't being critical of you or your post specifically. I agree that the commentary should be about what he actually said, which is still worthy of criticism as I provided. My apologies if you felt targeted, it wasn't my intention.

Still, I see a very obvious intent behind how Pope Francis' quotes are handled by the media of all types. The obvious reasoning, that being to drive a wedge between the Pope and conservative Catholics, seems too simple, to shallow. I think there is deeper purpose to this pattern. My gut tells me that Francis and his ilk WANT his quotes to be misconstrued and misreported.

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Yes, that's been my criticism. He very often speaks and writes in a way that lends itself to distortion.

And the letter itself is suggestive of the premise that Trump is indiscriminately rounding up all immigrants and deporting them and violating the dignity of the human person, which Homan has said is not what's happening. And I've seen no evidence of that either.

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"This does not impede the development of a policy that regulates orderly and legal migration. However, this development cannot come about through the privilege of some and the sacrifice of others. What is built on the basis of force, and not on the truth about the equal dignity of every human being, begins badly and will end badly," he added.

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Here is actually the expanded quote. This is the reason I believe that Francis is either not very smart or is intentionally obtuse so as to create ambiguity leading to my aforementioned observation regarding the media response.

He is perfectly contradictory in the two highlighted statements. On the one hand he says policies that regulate migration need not be impeded, yet in the following sentence he says that no one should be treated unequally which essentially means that regulation would be impossible because the whole point of regulation is to allow some migrants but not others. Some have to sacrifice and remain outside while others are privileged with entry.

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I am not a catholic, but they seem to be desperately in need of a Trump / MAGA type movement.

Make Our Catholicism Holy Again - MOCHA.

You are welcome. No need to send any trademark royalties on the name, but I can setup a Venmo QR code if anyone insists.

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That's the hope amongst us Catholics

The fear, however, is that he's stacked the College with Cardinals that think like him, which in theory, would select another liberal Pope

Hoping not. Another 20 years of liberal leadership would inflict significant damage on the Church, IMO. All you have to do is look to the Protestant denominations destroyed by liberals as your paradigm

It's a cancer, and no denomination is immune

EDIT - As was pointed out above, there is good news. New priests and seminarians are MUCH more orthodox than the older priests and bishops

This whole thing with the Pope is very disappointing. Especially since there are more Catholics per capita at TAMU than at Notre Dame.
I wasn't raised Catholic. I was raised Episcopalian which unfortunately is run by a bunch of angry lesbians now. I will never set foot in that satanic church again.
As a cadet back in the 80's I was one of the 3 in my fish class that was not Catholic so I went to Mass with my buddies.

There has not been a good pope since John Paul II.

This current pope is a marxist scumbag.

I hate to say this, but the Catholic church is a cult of evil. It did not use to be that way.

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As a practicing Catholic, this pope can piss up a rope.

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And to that quote, America already has a policy which regulates orderly immigration. These illegals have violated the policy. It isn't about privilege, it's about following the law. We do not have the ability to integrate tens of millions of people into our culture and there should be no expectation of such. He is advocating for "forced charity," at best. It is actually theft.

And if the Pope were not a Marxist, he would be demanding that the hordes of invaders follow American law.

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"This does not impede the development of a policy that regulates orderly and legal migration. However, this development cannot come about through the privilege of some and the sacrifice of others. What is built on the basis of force, and not on the truth about the equal dignity of every human being, begins badly and will end badly," he added.

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Here is actually the expanded quote. This is the reason I believe that Francis is either not very smart or is intentionally obtuse so as to create ambiguity leading to my aforementioned observation regarding the media response.

He is perfectly contradictory in the two highlighted statements. On the one hand he says policies that regulate migration need not be impeded, yet in the following sentence he says that no one should be treated unequally which essentially means that regulation would be impossible because the whole point of regulation is to allow some migrants but not others. Some have to sacrifice and remain outside while others are privileged with entry.

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Respectfully, you'll have to go and read what's meant by the dignity of the human person in Catholic theology. It's part and parcel of our humanity. Equal treatment doesn't imply a right to stay in the country. There is still a distinction between a citizen and non-citizen. There's no tension between that distinction and equal treatment under the law.

Catholic here. This pope is from Argentina and also represents the migrants from his homeland. He knows what his country of origin is all about. He's also the first Jesuit to become pope. While I had high hopes for him, I'm not sure he could say anything other than what would support the efforts of the poor and downtrodden. I'm not interested in his politics. He should stick to offering and encouraging prayers and marshaling Vatican resources for those who suffer.

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I am not a catholic, but they seem to be desperately in need of a Trump / MAGA type movement.

Make Our Catholicism Holy Again - MOCHA.

You are welcome. No need to send any trademark royalties on the name, but I can setup a Venmo QR code if anyone insists.

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That's the hope amongst us Catholics

The fear, however, is that he's stacked the College with Cardinals that think like him, which in theory, would select another liberal Pope

Hoping not. Another 20 years of liberal leadership would inflict significant damage on the Church, IMO. All you have to do is look to the Protestant denominations destroyed by liberals as your paradigm

It's a cancer, and no denomination is immune

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Absolutely agree. It is not limited to Catholicism and not limited to just religion.

Catholics bare the brunt of the criticism due to the central authority of the Vatican and the "power" vested in the Pope.

To be clear, I am not criticising Catholics nor the church itself (meaning the body of followers, not the organization).

My assumption is that the Vatican is getting a huge cut of the USAID funding illegal human trafficking and that is why he's saying this. A money play and a money play only.

Will end badly for who?

SEND THE BUSES TO ROMA!

In a shocker these comments are only ever made when white nations do these things. He is of course silent when non-white nations engage in the same activities.

He's just mad the gravy train for free money is cutoff.

The church is responsible for the right hand of God, leave the left hand to the government.