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TheEternalOptimist said:

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aTmAg said:

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What age?

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22

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Just keep in mind that her brain isn't even finished developing. Stay the course and she'll at least calm down, if not convert.

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I would gladly give up my own life if I knew I could save her and bring her to Christ.

Captain Pablo said:

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TheEternalOptimist said:

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gabehcoud said:

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I can't imagine choosing politics over family. You don't have to agree. Just try not talking politics

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"I can not call anyone who supports Elon Musk my parents. He is a Nazi and he gave a Nazi salute'.

Yep. She said that.

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Good grief. That's terrible

Is she still in your will?

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In a limited capacity.

There are some specific things in her name as well, like long term life insurance, and a small fund we manage.

But she will not receive any part of the bulk of what we leave behind if she persists. Material blessings that are handed down come from persisting under the shade tree of Faith and Love that we provide. That's our view.

TheEternalOptimist said:

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......who calls you 'Nazi' and says 'You are not my parents'. Who rejects the precepts of God and morality.

I can not be alone. But it is a very lonely feeling at times.

Thankful for my other two children who encourage me to be faithful and stand true.

What we are dealing with personally has made me loathe the whole woke nonsense even more. It is a mind virus and it harms families deeply. I righteously resent it.

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Another story, I had a son who went through the "I hate you" phase as a late teen-young adult. He never fell for wokeism, but he did spout off a few things about America that he learned from peers and likely from schooling too that I would call woke adjacent and quasi-Marxist. It was just parroting without any real depth of knowledge. Like a lot of kids he is very intelligent, but lacks wisdom.

Ever since he was about 13, he had the attitude that he knew everything there was to know and his parents were stupid and out of touch. He said when he moved out, he was never coming back. Now at 25 and trying to get his career going and finding the job market difficult, he calls almost every day asking for advice about many things. He hasn't totally gotten over his swollen ego, but he certainly doesn't reject us or our wisdom like he did when he was 18. There is always hope.

I say this all the time, but kids today -- especially young women -- are steeped in progressive thinking. It's everywhere -- in social media, in entertainment, in the songs they hear and the shows they watch and the websites they visit and on and on.

You can share your thoughts and beliefs but you are one voice in a sea of opposite voices.

One of the many benefits of Trump winning and the zeitgeist shifting is that it makes it okay and even cool to be patriotic and conservative. That's huge. Or YUUUGE.

You sound like Elon.

Praying for you. That stinks and is unfair to you.

TheEternalOptimist said:

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......who calls you 'Nazi' and says 'You are not my parents'. Who rejects the precepts of God and morality.

I can not be alone. But it is a very lonely feeling at times.

Thankful for my other two children who encourage me to be faithful and stand true.

What we are dealing with personally has made me loathe the whole woke nonsense even more. It is a mind virus and it harms families deeply. I righteously resent it.

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It's passing insanity.

Anybody who takes politics so seriously that it infects their family life is worshipping a false idol. Pray for them every day not to convert to your point of view, but that God will, in His Mercy, guide them into His plan for that life.

22 is the mental equivalent of 13 from the 1980s. Still plenty of time for reality to hit.

The ones that flummox me are the older (40 plus) children of successful hard working parents. They are plenty smart. But they have never struggled or had real financial worries or had to do real hard work. They bristle at the government telling them what to do and avoid taxes any way they think they can get away with it. Yet want to government to rule hard and tax the hell out of everyone else.

Complete lack of self awareness.

TheEternalOptimist said:

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TheEternalOptimist said:

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What age?

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22

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Just keep in mind that her brain isn't even finished developing. Stay the course and she'll at least calm down, if not convert.

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I would gladly give up my own life if I knew I could save her and bring her to Christ.

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you sound like a really good parent and i know right now it's tough but God does have a plan in all of this it's just hard for us to see from our ground level. i would also say kids rebel, and kids by and large are idiots. keep praying for her and i'll pray she comes back around to the light.

Pray.

Pray for their wisdom and yours. Pray they are reached by the spirit. Pray for forgiveness for any sins you may have committed against your child (even unintentionally). Pray for patience and courage to keep honestly engaging your child without reacting to the venom. You may even pray that someone else intervenes and gets the kid to stop being so stubborn.

You're not alone in this. We all have family and friends that are well past TDS. It's full fledged radical brainwashing.

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Anyone seen Tanya lately? Haven't seen her posting recently. Hope she's ok!

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She posted yesterday or the day before.

She'd been in the hospital but she's out now.

So that's a great thing.

You guys are the best.

F16 For Politics....... and some Hope too!

I showed my wife this thread - most of your responses meant a lot to her too. She wants a TexAgs account now. Get ready!

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akm91 said:

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Anyone seen Tanya lately? Haven't seen her posting recently. Hope she's ok!

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She posted yesterday or the day before.

She'd been in the hospital but she's out now.

So that's a great thing.

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I hope she is well..

I have been hard on her at times.

Bless her.

As with my child, this is narcissistic disorder. But you can't tell a narcissist that they are a narcissist.

Just show love and pray.

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I say this all the time, but kids today -- especially young women -- are steeped in progressive thinking. It's everywhere -- in social media, in entertainment, in the songs they hear and the shows they watch and the websites they visit and on and on.

You can share your thoughts and beliefs but you are one voice in a sea of opposite voices.

One of the many benefits of Trump winning and the zeitgeist shifting is that it makes it okay and even cool to be patriotic and conservative. That's huge. Or YUUUGE.

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I too am seeing this shift among high school age kids and pray it persists as my kids get older.

It's been amazing to watch

TheEternalOptimist said:

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You guys are the best.

F16 For Politics....... and some Hope too!

I showed my wife this thread - most of your responses meant a lot to her too. She wants a TexAgs account now. Get ready!

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TheEternalOptimist said:

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Captain Pablo said:

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TheEternalOptimist said:

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gabehcoud said:

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I can't imagine choosing politics over family. You don't have to agree. Just try not talking politics

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"I can not call anyone who supports Elon Musk my parents. He is a Nazi and he gave a Nazi salute'.

Yep. She said that.

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Good grief. That's terrible

Is she still in your will?

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In a limited capacity.

There are some specific things in her name as well, like long term life insurance, and a small fund we manage.

But she will not receive any part of the bulk of what we leave behind if she persists. Material blessings that are handed down come from persisting under the shade tree of Faith and Love that we provide. That's our view.

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I've generally made it a policy to reject to work for those that want to have their will leave different things to different kids rather than splitting it equally (except for specific items like maybe jewelry, etc.). While I'm generally against a non-equal split in general, the main reason I won't do it is because I think when all is said and done, the kids will end up hating each other, hating the testator (parents), and more-so the attorney (i.e. "he talked them into it...").

However, this new breed of total lunacy with kids disassociating with their parents over political issues has started me rethinking the issue. They've purposely chosen to make their parents' lives miserable (beyond that, in fact) due to their mental illness that is at least somewhat controllable.

I haven't made a decision but the more I read things like this -- and I know couples who've had to deal with this absolute stupidity -- the more I think there are valid reasons to differentiate bequests.

Sorry to hear this. Girls are harder to deal with than boys. For some reason girls become world citizens and go through a woke phase. I have a teen daughter in HS and I am very politically incorrect around her. She counters with "dad, that's racist" and I explain the reality that it is not racist and explain why not, but I always stand my ground. She has something to learn from me, not vice versa. Schools are generally left leaning and woke but real life education needs to come from home.

One of the things I've told her stay away from Muslim boys. Racist? Don't care. Hateful? Don't care. I don't my grandkids named Mohammed or Abdul. I don't want her in a burqa. I explain it to her to the extent I can. Life isn't pretty, you have to deal with the filth with honesty.

I think she will grow out of it. Just don't fight with her, keep giving her love.

Never close the door of communication with your child no matter what they say or what they believe.

Our kids have gone through many stages and varying views of us as parents.

One kid went from "you only think I'm smart because you are my parents" to "as I meet more of my friends' parents I've realized parents don't have to love their kids."

Continue to speak truth, but more importantly, live the example. When the world fails them... and it will... you always have to be the refuge they need. The prodigal son isn't just a story, it is a reminder. The parent who waits daily for their child to return home. The resentful sibling who did nothing wrong... and the child that just needed to come to the end of themself to realize who they are.

We have a friend who was a pastor and church leader his entire life. His oldest went wayward for about a decade. One day she returned home and her testimony is a great encouragement for both parents and child.

You are not alone and we are dealing with the exact same thing with two of three of our Aggie graduates. The last two weeks have been extremely rough on my wife and I unfortunately. Our children were not raised that way and we are heartbroken. I blame some of the woke Aggie organizations and also the Bush School but pray they will come to their senses and realize family is more important than politics.

Are you yourself Catholic? If so, I don't know if you are aware of St Monica. She kept her Christian faith despite her abusive husband and heretical son. She prayed every day for their conversation. Both would eventually convert to Christianity and her son would become St Augustine, one of the greatest church fathers. Her story and struggle will hopefully give you strength. It's evidence that this kind of thing has been going on in Christian families for 2000 years.

TheEternalOptimist said:

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gabehcoud said:

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I can't imagine choosing politics over family. You don't have to agree. Just try not talking politics

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"I can not call anyone who supports Elon Musk my parents. He is a Nazi and he gave a Nazi salute'.

Yep. She said that.

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Yeah, my genius daughter said Musk is really a Nazi too when she absolutely should know better. She didn't denounce my wife or me though... yet.

Females are way too susceptible to extremely dangerous thinking. Either the voting age should be at least 40 for females or probably not at all until someone can figure out how to talk some sense into them or else America can't last.

All I can say is pray they come back, and they just might.

Growing up in small town Texas in the 90s and early 00s, there wasn't near the indoctrination I'm guessing kids from larger cities or later generations have received. My parents word and those of my church leaders were gospel.

I went to A&M, already had propensity for music genres that pushed politics left, and no longer was around my parents daily and church members weekly. I fell into a deep "leftist" phase from about 19-23. I was all about hope and change in 2008. I was all about conservative leaders being war mongers after oil money.

Then I grew up. I ended up at a private religious school for grad school and it definitely helped. As did having to earn my own money and seeing where the people that thought like I did in that phase were going in life.

I guess I lived the "if you aren't a liberal when you're younger you have no heart, if you're not a conservative when you get older you have no brain" mantra.

This is a little therapy for me. I have three daughters. One is very conservative; one is totally disconnected from politics and the other has shown signs of drifting left for some time. She is in her mid-40s and called me a few days ago to confirm that she was born in the City of Dallas, since they maintain birth certificates those born with the city limits. She is getting her passport. I asked her if she was going somewhere, and she said she was told that we would soon need a passport to vote!

I asked where that came from and she said you would need to prove you are a citizen to vote. I scoffed at that and she threw up the fact that I was ignoring Musk's Nazi salute! I sort of went off on her at how ridiculous she sounded and asked if she had seen the context of that incident. We also discussed DOGE and she said it was illegal and I told her it was a department Obama created, Trump just changed the name.

She went to a juco, then got BS and Masters at TWU and works in education for a DFW ISD. It's obvious where she jumped off the rails...our education system. I am close with all three kids and I have avoided talking politics with her as much as possible. We have had a nice facetime visit since and no politics came up.

She was raised in a very conservative home with Christian principles, even though we didn't attend church regularly. It hurts to see this happening, but I can only hope that she comes around some day.

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Sorry to hear it. And your username must be hard to live up to when facing things like this, my friend.

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Somehow God is using this for my good..... but ultimately ..... for HIS GLORY.

At the foot of the Cross there is Hope. Always.

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Amen, brother.

I'm a grandparent so my child raising years are far behind me. My two children ('07 and '11) couldn't have turned out to be better people. And they don't always agree with me and my wife's opinions but they are at least respectful of us and of others. That's good enough for me.

I have to say that anyone that raises children successfully in today's "world of woke" and social media has my congratulations. It's definitely a tougher assignment now.

You are not alone.

We homeschooled all of our children and they run from Wiccan to Catholic Nun and from Strong Conservative to Proud Extreme Leftist.

We haven't been called "Nazi" ourselves, but we've been accused of supporting them.