I think they only polled single white women/girls. Hell, if you go based on women on dating apps you'd think that 80% of the population are far left progressive idiots whose interests are only trans/lgsbtchsn rights, BLM, pro-abortion, etc etc.

Good god it sucks to date right now...

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Everyone takes an exam during HS, and you either score high enough or you don't. There is corruption, just like everywhere, but what could be more fair than an exam that everyone gets a chance to take? If you score high enough, you go to college.

The left believe they're morally superior and will not capitulate. This is good news though; people generally do not like this *****

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It's not really a puzzling contradiction, then, is it?

Oh...you need more money to "tell people how good it really is". I see where this is going. If something is really a net-good, you dont need money to tell people how really good it is.

AFUERA! Learn to pick fruits and vegetables!

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But you agree that a standardized test is fair, right? I mean, everybody has the same chance.

This is similar to the whole BLM thing from 2020. It's possible to believe that black lives matter without supporting the organization that calls itself Black Lives Matter just as it's possible to believe that diversity, equity, and inclusion are good things without supporting policies that promote DEI over merit. These "researchers" either don't understand the distinction or are intentionally suppressing it for their own ideological reasons. Either way, I hope we continue to see this kind of nonsense reinforcing the woke left's belief that people actually support what they stand for and they keep themselves tied to that political lead balloon.

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If the goal is to get the smartest people into college (which should only be a concern for state schools), then a standardize test does not accomplish that. Also if you are aware at all about the issues of kids dying / ODing on Adderall you would know it has serious negative outcomes.

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This is similar to the whole BLM thing from 2020. It's possible to believe that black lives matter without supporting the organization that calls itself Black Lives Matter just as it's possible to believe that diversity, equity, and inclusion are good things without supporting policies that promote DEI over merit. These "researchers" either don't understand the distinction or are intentionally suppressing it for their own ideological reasons. Either way, I hope we continue to see this kind of nonsense reinforcing the woke left's belief that people actually support what they stand for and they keep themselves tied to that political lead balloon.

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Yes, being a normal, rational human being is possible without stealing taxpayer dollars and giving them to racist organization with absolute ******s at the top. It's also possible to be a normal, rational human and not pay people to burn, loot, and murder to progress your "cause".

These "researchers" are sad that they are no longer being paid to basically do nothing. That's why they are "confused".

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This is similar to the whole BLM thing from 2020. It's possible to believe that black lives matter without supporting the organization that calls itself Black Lives Matter just as it's possible to believe that diversity, equity, and inclusion are good things without supporting policies that promote DEI over merit. These "researchers" either don't understand the distinction or are intentionally suppressing it for their own ideological reasons. Either way, I hope we continue to see this kind of nonsense reinforcing the woke left's belief that people actually support what they stand for and they keep themselves tied to that political lead balloon.

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Will never, ever support and will actively fight against equity. I will support equality with everything I am. But equity is straight communist BS.

Equality= all men created equal and endowed with inalieanable rights

Equity= all people get the same outcome and the game is rigged based on immutable traits or sexual preference.

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This is a pic of the crack team of aviation mechanics working to correct an issue with my flight from Los Angeles to Houston. Some 30 year old tech supervisor they found in line at sea world and a Benjamin Franklin impersonator who can't figure out how to change the background on his iPhone.

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If there is any group of people that I want to take their time to make sure they get things right, airplane mechanics are number 2.

Number 1 is a group of people in deep bunkers in the Dakotas.

Sometimes, taking your time to get things right is more important than efficiency.

The problem is that DEI is built on a false premise. You can't artificially move people into middle-class jobs, or the middle class in general, and assume that they will magically take on middle-class values, become middle class and pass all of that on to their family. People who do the work and move up (in any "class" designation) understand the work and value it accordingly. Most people who don't, won't.

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If the goal is to get the smartest people into college (which should only be a concern for state schools), then a standardize test does not accomplish that. Also if you are aware at all about the issues of kids dying / ODing on Adderall you would know it has serious negative outcomes.

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In that case which contest/competition is truly fair?

In my opinion, there is nothing that is 100%. We can get close but never perfect. But since you saying an SAT is not fair, what do you propose instead?

Diversity isn't a problem in and of itself. Mandating diversity is. It needs to be organic and based on merit. Merit can be squishy at times because there is some subjectivity involved in it, but there should be some underlying competency standards imo for professions that involve safety and welfare of people . There is some base level of knowledge that is necessary to properly perform certain professions whether it be air traffic controllers , pilots , doctors , nurses, plumbers, electricians, teachers, engineers, forklift operators , drivers , etc, etc, etc

Inclusion to me just means any opportunity should be open to any person that can demonstrate competency in a chosen endeavor. If you can't , sorry , this opportunity simply isn't for you. Try something else.

Economic Equity is just flat out a stupid concept imo. It has never existed in the history of mankind and it never will. The only way to get to equity is to have a very low standard of living and even then some will use their resources better than others to rise above and others will do nothing positive and their lives will suck. The concept is a just a tool to transfer power and influence and is indeed an underlying untrue base premise that Marxists employ to achieve their goal of absolute power.

The best system is capitalist at its core with some reasonable rule of law . Use the very human characteristic of trying to improve your living standard for you and yours to uplift . If the overwhelming percentage of people take on that goal then all boats can be lifted by a rising tide . IMO this does require some sort of broader moral code to work and that's where God comes in. That's not to say that an atheist can't be successful in this sort of system but that the broad society needs some common moral basis and I believe most (not all) of that comes from some sort of religious basis. This is of course the first thing Marxists can't tolerate . There can be no competition … the state is the basis for everything (mostly all bull**** of course).

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If the goal is to get the smartest people into college (which should only be a concern for state schools), then a standardize test does not accomplish that. Also if you are aware at all about the issues of kids dying / ODing on Adderall you would know it has serious negative outcomes.

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A standardized test is "not fair". A test that is literally the same for every single person, regardless of race, religion, or sexuality is "not fair".

A standardized test is about as fair as it's gonna be. The heavy lift is educating our children to accept the challenge and excel.

You've adopted the woke left's extreme definition of equity.

The classical definition of equity is justice according to natural law, free from bias or favoritism. The idea of "justice according to natural law" has been perverted by the left to mean equal outcomes for all people when in fact equity was developed as a legal concept to ensure unequal outcomes. Murder, for example, is charged according to degrees depending on the circumstances. To take it a step further, a jury finding a man not guilty of murder for killing his child's rapist (when it's clear he did it) would be an example of equity since the father is a murderer by letter of the law but the jury found the circumstances justified his actions.

Equity, according to its true definition, is a good and necessary thing, and exists to allow common sense to be applied in systems that can't account for every possible individual situation. The woke left definition of equity is actually the opposite of true equity since it's built on a foundation of favoritism and bias toward groups arbitrarily determined to be disadvantaged while ignoring the circumstances of the individual.

I'm using the term as it is applied in current everyday life. I don't go around telling people I'm gay today intending to tell them I'm happy, because its use in current everyday life has a totally different meaning.

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Posters respond with well what is fair then.

I don't know. Just because something isn't fair doesn't mean it is the best way to do something. But don't call something fair when it isn't. Life isn't fair so I don't foolishly have the expectation that it should be.

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The amount of ethnic and cultural bigotry in China is monumental and yes it is diametrically opposed to meritocracy.
The Plight of Christians in China
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They claim there is broad support for DEI but what they actually asked people was simply if they supported "diversity"

Almost no one is going to say they're against "Diversity" but that's not the same as asking "Do you support forced diversity that prioritizes skin color, genitals and sexual preferences over actual competency"

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Diversity in and of itself is a good thing. We all are fine with an ethnically diverse society.

Inclusion in an of itself is a good thing. If one believes in equality, all should be included in the opportunity to excel, and no one should be excluded.

Diversity and Inclusion together is not the same as the above. It is a code phrase for an ideology based upon the third paragraph in your post.

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Defend your support for state sponsored bigotry in the form of group based rights which deny the rights of individuals who are not in the group.

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They claim there is broad support for DEI but what they actually asked people was simply if they supported "diversity"

Almost no one is going to say they're against "Diversity" but that's not the same as asking "Do you support forced diversity that prioritizes skin color, genitals and sexual preferences over actual competency"

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I support the Black Lives Matter movement.

I support affirmative action.

It is important to develop affordable housing options in affluent neighborhoods to promote racial integration.

We should make major efforts to reduce the White-Black wealth gap in half by 2035.

I am not bothered by the fact that White people will eventually be a numerical minority in the US.

It is okay with me if my state taxes are used for college scholarships for students from minority groups so that they can attend the state's public university.

Discrimination against minority groups is still a serious problem in the US.

It is okay with me if my local taxes are used for programs that help students from minority groups succeed in school.

It is important to support businesses owned by Black people and other non-White people.

I frequently try to create a welcoming environment for individuals from other racial or ethnic groups in my community.

It is important to promote diversity and inclusion in the workplace.

Racial diversity benefits the country.

It is important that employers ensure their company/organization fosters an inclusive workplace climate.

I am in favor of policies that protect members of minority groups from discrimination.

I make an effort to behave in an inclusive and respectful way when I interact with individuals belonging to a minority group.

I support my employer's pro-diversity initiatives.

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So what would have happened if someone being questioned made the point that if question #5 is true, then also question #14 must be true? I'm guessing that would have triggered the surveyor.

Normal people would have issues with most all of this. This is a Purity Test.

This is simply trying to figure out who is in their guild.

They found out that it's basically nobody. And the only solve that they can come up with (and they cant just toss this idiotic idea in the piss-ditch because they have spent a significant amounts of their lives on this) is that they need more taxpayer money to whine normal people into submission.

That's IT!

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No a standardized test is not fair. Standardize tests always end up favoring the affluent who can study the test better. It is why SAT and ACT aren't really fair. A kid whose parents can pay for him to take prep classes on the weekend isn't necessarily smarter or better qualified for college then a kid who had to work on weekends and couldn't study the test.
If the goal is to get the smartest people into college (which should only be a concern for state schools), then a standardize test does not accomplish that. Also if you are aware at all about the issues of kids dying / ODing on Adderall you would know it has serious negative outcomes.

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This is a pic of the crack team of aviation mechanics working to correct an issue with my flight from Los Angeles to Houston. Some 30 year old tech supervisor they found in line at sea world and a Benjamin Franklin impersonator who can't figure out how to change the background on his iPhone.

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How much have you considered deplaning? But maybe not as befuddled as they seem to you; can hope.

I'm willing to bet the repair took one hour, the paperwork took the remaining three.

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That could be well be! Or receiving the authorization to proceed.

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Well, if it is United then you can be assured that this repair was done to the highest standards of diversity!