Not sure how this is going to work in a fair way

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SpaceX engineers are going to look in-depth to Air Traffic Control Systems and get interviews for what works well and what doesn't from users.

What are they going to do with this information and are they going to share it with every company that would like to bid on future work or is Elon going to bid on this with his engineers?
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Assumption this will be the requirements for new system to replace the currently antiquated system.
"And liberals, being liberals, will double down on failure." - dedgod
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Well hopefully they don't just show up one day and be like "hey here's the new system we just came up with yesterday."
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I'm more concerned about bringing rapid improvements to air safety than I am if Elon somehow gets a business advantage from this.

Biden and team had every opportunity to revitalize this area but chose instead to focus on DEI, school board parents, LGBTQIA+, letting in illegals, and all kinds of other stuff.

I welcome a fresh set of eyes on this.
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I'm not liking the Musk relationship very much TBH. If he left his day job for 4 years then I would 100% appreciate his support, but he really can profit with the direction the government takes. His influence with AI is one thing. Space X and electric vehicles are another.

I hope his partnership with DC will help everyone and not be slanted to his company interests.
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FriscoKid said:

I'm not liking the Musk relationship very much TBH. If he left his day job for 4 years then I would 100% appreciate his support, but he really can profit with the direction the government takes. His influence with AI is one thing. Space X and electric vehicles are another.

I hope his partnership with DC will help everyone and not be slanted to his company interests.


You worried he might get rich?
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Libs hate Musk because he's coming after their well paying government jobs and showing they aren't even needed
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FriscoKid said:

I'm not liking the Musk relationship very much TBH. If he left his day job for 4 years then I would 100% appreciate his support, but he really can profit with the direction the government takes. His influence with AI is one thing. Space X and electric vehicles are another.

I hope his partnership with DC will help everyone and not be slanted to his company interests.


I'm sorry, are you new to the whole "Federal government " thing? How exactly do you think it has been working for decades? Even if it was what Musk is doing, he'd be just one of a long line of people.
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This needs to be handled in usual way. Contractors should grease Congress to get the contract to upgrade the system that cost 10x what it should, be deployed 10 years late, then be obsolete the minute it's installed.
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It's been know way before Trumps first term that ATC needed massive upgrades, plus their ATC school in Oklahoma needs mayor changes.
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Phatbob said:

FriscoKid said:

I'm not liking the Musk relationship very much TBH. If he left his day job for 4 years then I would 100% appreciate his support, but he really can profit with the direction the government takes. His influence with AI is one thing. Space X and electric vehicles are another.

I hope his partnership with DC will help everyone and not be slanted to his company interests.


I'm sorry, are you new to the whole "Federal government " thing? How exactly do you think it has been working for decades? Even if it was what Musk is doing, he'd be just one of a long line of people.

Should be different. I'm not a fan of it from either side.
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FriscoKid said:

I'm not liking the Musk relationship very much TBH. If he left his day job for 4 years then I would 100% appreciate his support, but he really can profit with the direction the government takes. His influence with AI is one thing. Space X and electric vehicles are another.

I hope his partnership with DC will help everyone and not be slanted to his company interests.


What existed before Elon was that bureaucrats would "retire" to the private sector then leverage their connections in Congress and in the Executive to define requirements for new government "needs" then talk to their other friends about how to meet those "needs" then lobby the funding and millions later we have a study saying we need a new system and a failed implementation due to HUB/Section 3/DEI requirements.

At least with Elon it is all happening in the open. And he doesn't come across as someone who just wants more money or to be even more richer. He seems to view the wealth as a means to keep pursuing endeavors he believes benefits mankind.

Let him and Trump do their thing. If they are successful and make some bank doing it, we all benefit. With the libs, they get their wealth through destruction. So this is better.
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FriscoKid said:

I'm not liking the Musk relationship very much TBH. If he left his day job for 4 years then I would 100% appreciate his support, but he really can profit with the direction the government takes. His influence with AI is one thing. Space X and electric vehicles are another.

I hope his partnership with DC will help everyone and not be slanted to his company interests.


You think he's going to try something shady while he's under a media microscope that rivals what was done to Trump?
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Maybe Elon can come up with something that prevents aircraft carriers colliding with ships.
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flown-the-coop said:

FriscoKid said:

I'm not liking the Musk relationship very much TBH. If he left his day job for 4 years then I would 100% appreciate his support, but he really can profit with the direction the government takes. His influence with AI is one thing. Space X and electric vehicles are another.

I hope his partnership with DC will help everyone and not be slanted to his company interests.


What existed before Elon was that bureaucrats would "retire" to the private sector then leverage their connections in Congress and in the Executive to define requirements for new government "needs" then talk to their other friends about how to meet those "needs" then lobby the funding and millions later we have a study saying we need a new system and a failed implementation due to HUB/Section 3/DEI requirements.

At least with Elon it is all happening in the open. And he doesn't come across as someone who just wants more money or to be even more richer. He seems to view the wealth as a means to keep pursuing endeavors he believes benefits mankind.

Let him and Trump do their thing. If they are successful and make some bank doing it, we all benefit. With the libs, they get their wealth through destruction. So this is better.
Disagree that we shouldn't care - The system needs to be fixed but replacing one issue with a different set of issues isn't the way to do it. There needs to be transparency across the board and Elon's companies getting insight into systems and being able to manipulate that for their interest isn't really any better than the prior issues, its just different.
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At this point, I'm hoping Elon gets a percentage of the money he is saving the U.S.
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Literally nothing BUT transparency when they are telling you EXACTLY what their plan is and what they are doing.

Trump has already said that Elon would be excluded if conflicts of interest exist.

You know how many eyes are on Elon versus how its operated in the past?

People are up in arms assuming Elon will cheat the system whilst turning a blind eye for DECADES to the establishment circle jerk.

I don't think I said not to care, I said let them proceed. We got eyes on it for once.
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I want Elon revolutionizing everything government does. But mainly, I want Elon to get rid of as much government as possible. Nothing and no one does more damage to Americans than "our" federal government..
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Is he doing this for free? Because that's redass if so.

That's one way to cut through the red tape. Do it for free, prove it works then ket congress vote to adopt it as a gift.
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Hopefully they talk to the actual users - airlines, military, GA - and not just the controllers union members. I've dealt with some ****ty controllers who think they exist to be sky gods and make their own rules.
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He's also going to space to save the astronauts Biden abandoned and has been launching NASA satellites for years now. He didn't just show up during the campaign all of a sudden. He's been worjiwith our Government for decades.
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flown-the-coop said:


People are up in arms assuming Elon will cheat the system whilst turning a blind eye for DECADES (and even now) to those that ACTUALLY cheated the system.


FIFY
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VegasAg86 said:

FriscoKid said:

I'm not liking the Musk relationship very much TBH. If he left his day job for 4 years then I would 100% appreciate his support, but he really can profit with the direction the government takes. His influence with AI is one thing. Space X and electric vehicles are another.

I hope his partnership with DC will help everyone and not be slanted to his company interests.


You think he's going to try something shady while he's under a media microscope that rivals what was done to Trump?

He already has. Look at how he is trying to crush OpenAI which would benefit X. I think he's an absolutely brilliant man that is doing revolutionary things, but I'm worried about replacing one swamp with another one. No crony capitalism from either side. Just, cut our bloated government.
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So how on Earth do you think he's going to leverage ATC somehow to his benefit?

He doesn't make airplanes dude.

This is relatively straight forward tracking in 3 dimensional space. The one real issue is satellites don't have great accuracy for Z value (GPS). But that is a technical problem to be solved which should rely on aircraft sensors actively broadcasting altitude vs relying on radar.
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Agzonfire said:

He's also going to space to save the astronauts Biden abandoned and has been launching NASA satellites for years now. He didn't just show up during the campaign all of a sudden. He's been worjiwith our Government for decades.
He is executing a already existing contract that NASA re-planned a mission allow 2 Starliner test pilots to come home on Crew9 instead of Starliner. That planning was done under a Biden administration by NASA so tehy haven't been abandoned in a while. All SpaceX did was continue to execute their contract with NASA for services rendered. Lets not pretend that Space or Elon did something special or for altruism. He has been compensated for everything he has done while hiring retired NASA executives to help work the NASA and Congressional "machine". SpaceX delivers a first in class product, but he's happily taking Government funding for providing services.
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AlaskanAg99 said:

So how on Earth do you think he's going to leverage ATC somehow to his benefit?

He doesn't make airplanes dude.

This is relatively straight forward tracking in 3 dimensional space. The one real issue is satellites don't have great accuracy for Z value (GPS). But that is a technical problem to be solved which should rely on aircraft sensors actively broadcasting altitude vs relying on radar.
Because Elon doesn't have any history of identifying a market he feels he can disrupt and create a product/business ----
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clw04 said:

AlaskanAg99 said:

So how on Earth do you think he's going to leverage ATC somehow to his benefit?

He doesn't make airplanes dude.

This is relatively straight forward tracking in 3 dimensional space. The one real issue is satellites don't have great accuracy for Z value (GPS). But that is a technical problem to be solved which should rely on aircraft sensors actively broadcasting altitude vs relying on radar.
Because Elon doesn't have any history of identifying a market he feels he can disrupt and create a product/business ----


Some of yall are just touched with dumbassedness.
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AlaskanAg99 said:

clw04 said:

AlaskanAg99 said:

So how on Earth do you think he's going to leverage ATC somehow to his benefit?

He doesn't make airplanes dude.

This is relatively straight forward tracking in 3 dimensional space. The one real issue is satellites don't have great accuracy for Z value (GPS). But that is a technical problem to be solved which should rely on aircraft sensors actively broadcasting altitude vs relying on radar.
Because Elon doesn't have any history of identifying a market he feels he can disrupt and create a product/business ----


Some of yall are just touched with dumbassedness.
And some of you are so drunk with "winning" that critical thought has gone out the window as long as its your side winning. This is the same crap that has been criticized on this board when the democrats are in power with conflict of interest.
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clw04 said:

AlaskanAg99 said:

clw04 said:

AlaskanAg99 said:

So how on Earth do you think he's going to leverage ATC somehow to his benefit?

He doesn't make airplanes dude.

This is relatively straight forward tracking in 3 dimensional space. The one real issue is satellites don't have great accuracy for Z value (GPS). But that is a technical problem to be solved which should rely on aircraft sensors actively broadcasting altitude vs relying on radar.
Because Elon doesn't have any history of identifying a market he feels he can disrupt and create a product/business ----


Some of yall are just touched with dumbassedness.
And some of you are so drunk with "winning" that critical thought has gone out the window as long as its your side winning. This is the same crap that has been criticized on this board when the democrats are in power with conflict of interest.


What conflict of interest? What business of his does this impact? He said he was going to assign some of his engineers to work on this issue.

Youre just clutching those pearls so tight rational thought escapes you. Just imagine if the dems, who were in charge 12 of the last 16 years. Got off their dumb asses and worked for positive change vs disrupting society on pet projects.
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AlaskanAg99 said:

clw04 said:

AlaskanAg99 said:

clw04 said:

AlaskanAg99 said:

So how on Earth do you think he's going to leverage ATC somehow to his benefit?

He doesn't make airplanes dude.

This is relatively straight forward tracking in 3 dimensional space. The one real issue is satellites don't have great accuracy for Z value (GPS). But that is a technical problem to be solved which should rely on aircraft sensors actively broadcasting altitude vs relying on radar.
Because Elon doesn't have any history of identifying a market he feels he can disrupt and create a product/business ----


Some of yall are just touched with dumbassedness.
And some of you are so drunk with "winning" that critical thought has gone out the window as long as its your side winning. This is the same crap that has been criticized on this board when the democrats are in power with conflict of interest.


What conflict of interest? What business of his does this impact? He said he was going to assign some of his engineers to work on this issue.

Youre just clutching those pearls so tight rational thought escapes you. Just imagine if the dems, who were in charge 12 of the last 16 years. Got off their dumb asses and worked for positive change vs disrupting society on pet projects.
How does it work any other way - SpaceX engineers come in and write requirements and then put it out for bid for other contractors to deliver a product that looks like SpaceX User interfaces since the requirements likely are based on them? We will see where all this goes, but the level of insight that they have into business strategies and such across all of government is ripe for issues with the conflict of interest protection being "trust us". Having Elon not involved in "day-to-day" operations doesn't relieve from conflict of interest - no one will know until years down the road for items like this.
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"All the gods, all the heavens, all the hells are within you". Joseph Campbell
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clw04 said:

AlaskanAg99 said:

clw04 said:

AlaskanAg99 said:

clw04 said:

AlaskanAg99 said:

So how on Earth do you think he's going to leverage ATC somehow to his benefit?

He doesn't make airplanes dude.

This is relatively straight forward tracking in 3 dimensional space. The one real issue is satellites don't have great accuracy for Z value (GPS). But that is a technical problem to be solved which should rely on aircraft sensors actively broadcasting altitude vs relying on radar.
Because Elon doesn't have any history of identifying a market he feels he can disrupt and create a product/business ----


Some of yall are just touched with dumbassedness.
And some of you are so drunk with "winning" that critical thought has gone out the window as long as its your side winning. This is the same crap that has been criticized on this board when the democrats are in power with conflict of interest.


What conflict of interest? What business of his does this impact? He said he was going to assign some of his engineers to work on this issue.

Youre just clutching those pearls so tight rational thought escapes you. Just imagine if the dems, who were in charge 12 of the last 16 years. Got off their dumb asses and worked for positive change vs disrupting society on pet projects.
How does it work any other way - SpaceX engineers come in and write requirements and then put it out for bid for other contractors to deliver a product that looks like SpaceX User interfaces since the requirements likely are based on them? We will see where all this goes, but the level of insight that they have into business strategies and such across all of government is ripe for issues with the conflict of interest protection being "trust us". Having Elon not involved in "day-to-day" operations doesn't relieve from conflict of interest - no one will know until years down the road for items like this.


Seek help.
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clw04 said:



SpaceX engineers are going to look in-depth to Air Traffic Control Systems and get interviews for what works well and what doesn't from users.

What are they going to do with this information and are they going to share it with every company that would like to bid on future work or is Elon going to bid on this with his engineers?


I know let's ask Boeing………
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clw04 said:

AlaskanAg99 said:

So how on Earth do you think he's going to leverage ATC somehow to his benefit?

He doesn't make airplanes dude.

This is relatively straight forward tracking in 3 dimensional space. The one real issue is satellites don't have great accuracy for Z value (GPS). But that is a technical problem to be solved which should rely on aircraft sensors actively broadcasting altitude vs relying on radar.
Because Elon doesn't have any history of identifying a market he feels he can disrupt and create a product/business ----
Cry harder. Is this where a previous president might have said something like "elections have consequences?"
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clw04 said:



SpaceX engineers are going to look in-depth to Air Traffic Control Systems and get interviews for what works well and what doesn't from users.

What are they going to do with this information and are they going to share it with every company that would like to bid on future work or is Elon going to bid on this with his engineers?
A good start would be asking all the defense contractors now …. Gonna be a HuGE DOGE issue I would suspect. Elon isn't there just to enrich himself, if he was he would have people doing it behind the scenes.

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