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I trust Elon Musk with my IRS data more than I trust the IRS with it.

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. You trust a guy who has 13 children with 4 different women, smokes pot on air and founded two major companies with heavy government subsidies as a major part of their success. Interesting.

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I didn't say I trust him to be my husband...I'm not sure I see your point.

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. Everyone seems to think Musk is incorruptible, when he has major business interests all over the world. I am more of a trust but verify kind of guy. As I think all should be.

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Do you not think IRS agents are corruptible? If the richest man in the world can be corruptible, and an IRS agent making <$80k can be corruptible, I will take my chances with the billionaire 10/10 times. Did I ever say he's a perfect person? No. But I don't trust much that has been going on over the past several years and I'll put my trust in the change, not the status quo.

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Lets see. Do I trust a low level accountant who stands to go to jail for a long long time and lose their job or do I trust a billionaire who can weaponize all of our data to make billions and billions and not go to jail? That's the question you're asking me? I think I would trust the low level accountant. Call me crazy.

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The Dems have already beaten Elon to the punch on weaponization.

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wow. That's crazy. Seems like it should be easier for normal Americans to access this information. Thank you for the response. Very enlightening.

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I can see your point, but FOIA / PIA requests can place a tremendous burden not only on the responding agency, but anyone else who may need to respond. In our instance, looking into procurements will lead to requests for information from all submitting parties as their information may / will also be disclosed.

You can submit one on your own and I guess you could navigate on your own. But the responding agency has their own staff and counsel to handle the responses.

Rest assured, the FOIA requests on DOGE activities will be funded by Soros and friends, no one here on f16 will need to hire the lawyers on their own.

And that is the broader point. This stuff is of the highest profile and will be subject to all of the tricks, tactics and tantrums the left can muster up.

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. Puke time. It's all sickening.

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What nefarious things are they going to do with my information? Can someone be specific about that? Assuming that they actually have that level of access and not just metadata access.

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. You don't think that meta data has massive value? You think Google got rich just providing a web browser. Wake up dude.

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I think it's much more likely some fatass bureaucrat making $150K can be bribed than it is that Elon would "weaponize" my metadata. This thread is absurd.

Joe the Plumber had his info leaked. Trump's tax returns were leaked. Elon had nothing to do with it.

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. My point is these are one offs. How much damage can one do when you have it all?!!! Scale and accountability matter. DOGE will have scale and no accountability. That doesn't bother you? For the record I am not condoning the leaks either way.

They can look as much as they want…I pay my taxes correctly…as painful as it usually is…

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I trust Elon Musk with my IRS data more than I trust the IRS with it.

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. You trust a guy who has 13 children with 4 different women, smokes pot on air and founded two major companies with heavy government subsidies as a major part of their success. Interesting.

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I didn't say I trust him to be my husband...I'm not sure I see your point.

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. Everyone seems to think Musk is incorruptible, when he has major business interests all over the world. I am more of a trust but verify kind of guy. As I think all should be.

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Do you not think IRS agents are corruptible? If the richest man in the world can be corruptible, and an IRS agent making <$80k can be corruptible, I will take my chances with the billionaire 10/10 times. Did I ever say he's a perfect person? No. But I don't trust much that has been going on over the past several years and I'll put my trust in the change, not the status quo.

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Lets see. Do I trust a low level accountant who stands to go to jail for a long long time and lose their job or do I trust a billionaire who can weaponize all of our data to make billions and billions and not go to jail? That's the question you're asking me? I think I would trust the low level accountant. Call me crazy.

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No, I never asked you if you trust a billionaire. Not once. I said that I trust the billionaire. I never questioned you and where you stand on the issue; I simply stated where I stand, whether it's something you agree with or not.

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What does everyone think Musk is going to do with this info?

Steal some rando's SSN, open up a MasterCard account in their name and max it out at Best Buy?

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No, Musk is going to give it to Big Balls and he's going to max it out at Best Buy. That way Musk has plausible deniability, that evil genius!!!

I just hope the Dems keep squealing, this is definitely a winning issue for them. Everyone knows their private data has been kept super secret by the government for decades and we certainly don't read about breaches every 2-3 months in all facets of our lives.

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“Under pressure from the White House, the IRS is considering a memorandum of understanding that would give DOGE officials broad access to tax-agency systems, property and datasets.” https://t.co/ot2nHm2zzv

— Cathleen Decker (@cathleendecker) February 17, 2025

Can you imagine what House Republicans would be doing if this was happening 6 months ago??

"The unusual request would put sensitive data about millions of American taxpayers in the hands of Trump political appointees."

Now, they’ve been SILENT!!!https://t.co/lcq6uhCou1

— Ways and Means Democrats (@WaysMeansCmte) February 17, 2025

Somebody has to do it, and Americans elected/trusted Republicans to do it.

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I didn't trust the IRS before…and I certainly don't trust Musks team. That tickle everyone feels is a political appointee giving a procto exam to all your personal data. Nothing to see here…just more government involvement in our lives. I hated when Biden hired a bunch of IRS agents. This is just the same thing but with software engineers. Just like firing all the nuke safety workers en masse and then realizing "oops…we maybe should have been more strategic". I applaud the intent but not the strategies. It's looking FUBAR

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I didn't trust the IRS before…and I certainly don't trust Musks team. That tickle everyone feels is a political appointee giving a procto exam to all your personal data.

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I am not surprised you feel that way.

Who ran the last administration? What info were they accessing? Why weren't you questioning it?

Why do you start each sentence with a period?

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Why do you start each sentence with a period?

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Bug in the bots programming.

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Why do you start each sentence with a period?

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Old habits die hard. I double space after periods and this automatically causes the period to come up.

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Why do you start each sentence with a period?

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Bug in the bots programming.

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. Unlike you. I have a ring and an Ag Tag by my name. Enjoy the period.

Unelected bureaucrats have had as much (or more) info available for decades and yet now it's somehow an i issue?

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Enjoy the farse of the statement "Under pressure from the White House. the IRS...".

In the real world, this would be akin to "Under pressure from the CEO, the tax department is looking into sharing data with the internal audit group."

The IRS is within the executive branch. Trump literally IS the executive branch, so if he wants it to happen then it SHALL happen.

No one else gets an opinion.

If you want to accuse them of misusing, then wait until you have some standing to sue. Till then, kindly STFU.

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Seems not a single IRS agent nor any of the bureaucrats in the IRS were elected. Not sure what the ruckus is about.
And I agree wholeheartedly with your statement, "If you want to accuse them of misusing, then wait until you have some standing to sue."

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I trust Elon Musk with my IRS data more than I trust the IRS with it.

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I do. He is at minimum transparent in his actions unlike the Democratic Party leadership, who have become the most corrupt, unethical, dishonest and dishonorable party in the U.S.

I don't trust musk, the irs or any politicians really.

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I didn't trust the IRS before…and I certainly don't trust Musks team. That tickle everyone feels is a political appointee giving a procto exam to all your personal data.

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I am not surprised you feel that way.

Who ran the last administration? What info were they accessing? Why weren't you questioning it?

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That poster doesn't trust Musk but was ok with Hunter sitting in on high level top secret presidential meetings. Right.

Looking at these tweets, sounds like the right people are "Reeeeing". Besides that, my tax data has been in the hands of Kleptocrats for years. I don't mind if it's in the hands of those who are doing what they need to do to continue to expose government waste, crooks and the Ponzi scheme that is the irs.

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“Under pressure from the White House, the IRS is considering a memorandum of understanding that would give DOGE officials broad access to tax-agency systems, property and datasets.” https://t.co/ot2nHm2zzv

— Cathleen Decker (@cathleendecker) February 17, 2025

Can you imagine what House Republicans would be doing if this was happening 6 months ago??

"The unusual request would put sensitive data about millions of American taxpayers in the hands of Trump political appointees."

Now, they’ve been SILENT!!!https://t.co/lcq6uhCou1

— Ways and Means Democrats (@WaysMeansCmte) February 17, 2025

Somebody has to do it, and Americans elected/trusted Republicans to do it.

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I didn't trust the IRS before…and I certainly don't trust Musks team. That tickle everyone feels is a political appointee giving a procto exam to all your personal data. Nothing to see here…just more government involvement in our lives. I hated when Biden hired a bunch of IRS agents. This is just the same thing but with software engineers. Just like firing all the nuke safety workers en masse and then realizing "oops…we maybe should have been more strategic". I applaud the intent but not the strategies. It's looking FUBAR

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what are you spending money on that you are ashamed of

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Looking at these tweets, sounds like the right people are "Reeeeing". Besides that, my tax data has been in the hands of Kleptocrats for years. I don't mind if it's in the hands of those who are doing what they need to do to continue to expose government waste, crooks and the Ponzi scheme that is the irs.

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There are some "very concerned" people as well who didn't have any questions about the last admin but now suddenly do.

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I trust Elon Musk with my IRS data more than I trust the IRS with it.

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I didn't say I trust him to be my husband...I'm not sure I see your point.

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Do you not think IRS agents are corruptible? If the richest man in the world can be corruptible, and an IRS agent making <$80k can be corruptible, I will take my chances with the billionaire 10/10 times. Did I ever say he's a perfect person? No. But I don't trust much that has been going on over the past several years and I'll put my trust in the change, not the status quo.

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Lets see. Do I trust a low level accountant who stands to go to jail for a long long time and lose their job

• not sure if serious, when was the last time an IRS agent went to jail, their statements have been challenged in courts a lot and the judgements changed.

or do I trust a billionaire who can weaponize all of our data to make billions and billions and not go to jail?

• He would be under the same rules as they IRS agents if DOGE misuses the information.

That's the question you're asking me? I think I would trust the low level accountant. Call me crazy.

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Me personally, expect the records to be investigated will be those NGOs found to be involved in misappropriating government grants.
So you can rest easy that your records won't be examined unless you were involved in the massive misappropriation of government money.

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I trust Elon Musk with my IRS data more than I trust the IRS with it.

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As opposed to the IRS agents themselves, I think that Musk and his merry minions have more credibility, so yes.

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Absolute yikes.

Cult confirmed.

OP, if you are going to post this, you gotta do the Elon poll:

[ ] Yes
[ ] F, Yes
[ ] No

Go cry more you pansy Concerned Moderates.

The shoe is on the other foot and we're killing the golden geese. No apologies.

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As opposed to the IRS agents themselves, I think that Musk and his merry minions have more credibility, so yes.

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Absolute yikes.

Cult confirmed.

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I'm no more cult than the Biden or Hillary, or Obama, or even Bush minions. I'll try my hand with something besides a politician. I can live with that.

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What nefarious things are they going to do with my information? Can someone be specific about that? Assuming that they actually have that level of access and not just metadata access.

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. You don't think that meta data has massive value? You think Google got rich just providing a web browser. Wake up dude.

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I think it's much more likely some fatass bureaucrat making $150K can be bribed than it is that Elon would "weaponize" my metadata. This thread is absurd.

Joe the Plumber had his info leaked. Trump's tax returns were leaked. Elon had nothing to do with it.

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. My point is these are one offs. How much damage can one do when you have it all?!!! Scale and accountability matter.

DOGE will have scale and no accountability.

• Now you're making crap up

That doesn't bother you? For the record I am not condoning the leaks either way.

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As opposed to the IRS agents themselves, I think that Musk and his merry minions have more credibility, so yes.

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Absolute yikes.

Cult confirmed.

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absolute yikes someone who is pro corruption and anti accountability confirmed

No problem. Isn't that what the IRS does anyway? I'd prefer EM/DODGE instead...more faith in them than the irs.

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The government already knows everything about me and I'm sure they've had my data stolen countless times, so what's one more agency poking at it?

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. It wasn't ok in the past, but it's ok now?

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What was I going to do about it then and what am I going to do about it now?

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. I guess nothing. Will you give me your info? I have never broken a law and never so much as received a speeding ticket. Promise I won't do anything you don't want me to do with it. Plus there's no way to confirm what I did with your info anyway. So go ahead capitulate.

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Please explain the difference between Elon Musk, a temporary Gov't employee seeing your data and Joe Schmoe, a long time gov't employee see your data...

What are the exact differences and how are the suddenly bad?

Yeah, say what you want about me. My identity isn't tied to politicians like some appear to be in here.

Biden was ineffectual. Obama didn't make good on many promises. Hillary was a terrible candidate, as was Kamala. I've never had a political sticker, shirt, hat, youtube subscription, or 24/7 TV of any of these people. That's cult *****


What's the word? Simp? People simp'ing for a billionaire. Incredible.

The right pigs are squealing!

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I trust Elon Musk with my IRS data more than I trust the IRS with it.

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I didn't say I trust him to be my husband...I'm not sure I see your point.

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. Everyone seems to think Musk is incorruptible, when he has major business interests all over the world. I am more of a trust but verify kind of guy. As I think all should be.

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Do you not think IRS agents are corruptible? If the richest man in the world can be corruptible, and an IRS agent making <$80k can be corruptible, I will take my chances with the billionaire 10/10 times. Did I ever say he's a perfect person? No. But I don't trust much that has been going on over the past several years and I'll put my trust in the change, not the status quo.

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Lets see. Do I trust a low level accountant who stands to go to jail for a long long time and lose their job or do I trust a billionaire who can weaponize all of our data to make billions and billions and not go to jail? That's the question you're asking me? I think I would trust the low level accountant. Call me crazy.

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Give me a scenario/example of exactly how Musk could "weaponize all of our data to make billions..."