Heineken-Ashi said:

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For his own health, Pope Marx needs to retire.

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Maybe there is another version of Pope John Paul II to step up and be the Pope the catholic church needs right now.

Regardless of all media misinformation about things the current Pope has said and done (and NOT done - despite the MSM's and catholic bashers attempts to credit him with), he has done a lot of harm to the Church's image.

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It's not this Pope that matters. It's the people that decided he should be the Pope. Those people are not in the hospital and will not be retiring.

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I find Catholic politics fascinating and followed the last two papal elections fairly closely. The Cardinals didn't elect Francis because they wanted a socialist, they elected him because they wanted a different ethos. John Paul II was a warrior, Benedict XVI was a thinker, and Francis is a humanitarian. I don't think anyone realized at the time that Francis had such naive and ignorant political views or that he would struggle to articulate his messages so much that his words could be twisted to fit almost any agenda. I also doubt the current cardinals would elect another pope like Francis just based on the number of very public disagreements and embarrassing "clarifications" the church has had to issue in response to some of his statements. Regardless, I think the next pope will again have a completely different ethos than the last three and I think, given the confusion wrought by Francis, it will be a strong teacher/communicator.

Francis appointed 75% of the college of cardinals so expect more of the same.

Forced retirement of cardinals has made change in the "unchanging church" a guarantee

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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For his own health, Pope Marx needs to retire.

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It won't matter because the whole of the higher levels of priesthood are corrupt and they were the ones who put him there. Catholic church hierarchy needs a divine intervention.

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Does it need DOGE?

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DOCE - Department of Catholic Efficiency.

Just give him a couple jabs and he'll be fine.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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For his own health, Pope Marx needs to retire.

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This.

He's a horrible pope, The political comments and the hypocrisy that he has spewed, especially over the last few years is really disconcerting, but I don't wish ill health on him. But it's clear that he has not been well for a long time. He needs to take the route that Benedict did.

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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For his own health, Pope Marx needs to retire.

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This.

He's a horrible pope, The political comments and the hypocrisy that he has spewed, especially over the last few years is really disconcerting, but I don't wish ill health on him. But it's clear that he has not been well for a long time. He needs to take the route that Benedict did. In fact I think Benedict is still alive.

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Benedict died 12-31-2022

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I nominate Cardinal Dolan. But since I grew up Southern Baptist & Pentecostal and now a non-practicing Methodist, then I am not sure my ballot counts.

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random sidenote: A buddy of mine from Houston was on the same flight to Dublin as him that got detoured to Newfoundland for an unplanned overnight this weekend.

I'll take things I don't care about for $500, Alex

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annie88 said:

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This.

He's a horrible pope, The political comments and the hypocrisy that he has spewed, especially over the last few years is really disconcerting, but I don't wish ill health on him. But it's clear that he has not been well for a long time. He needs to take the route that Benedict did. In fact I think Benedict is still alive.

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Benedict died 12-31-2022

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Oh wow. I missed or forgot that. Thanks. I'll edit.

I would like to see the next one take the name of Luke.

Rumor mill tonight is that he's sicker than the Vatican is letting on.

Has he been delivered Last Rites?

We don't do it that way anymore. It's called Anointing of the Sick now and I'm sure he has received the sacrament.

Lots of unchristian comments in this thread

The Young Pope and The New Pope are both good series to watch. Really intriguing about the election and politics of electing a pope.

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If the Catholic Church really cared about poverty, they would pick a pro capitalist pope.

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Selling indulgences is how things got hairy...

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Rumor mill tonight is that he's sicker than the Vatican is letting on.

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Unfortunately that would be par for the course. Its not far from true that only the Politburo of the 20th C was more opaque about the fact when the leaders got ill. Reading between the lines is tricky as sometimes it really is not super serious.

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Lots of unchristian comments in this thread

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about an unChristian marxist.

The Catholic church "leadership" seems to be more concerned with growing their power than actually helping people escape poverty. It seems to be no different than any political party.

This guy is a prime example and couldn't hold a candle to John Paul II.

I certainly don't agree with a some of his stances on things, but I do think he genuinely cares for the poor.

Latest update:
No fever. Stable condition. Doing some work and reading.

https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2025-02/pope-francis-condition-stable-and-he-does-not-have-a-fever.html

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We don't do it that way anymore. It's called Anointing of the Sick now and I'm sure he has received the sacrament.

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Last rites still very much exist.

https://www.catholic.com/video/what-is-the-difference-between-anointing-of-the-sick-and-last-rites

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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For his own health, Pope Marx needs to retire.

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Maybe there is another version of Pope John Paul II to step up and be the Pope the catholic church needs right now.

Regardless of all media misinformation about things the current Pope has said and done (and NOT done - despite the MSM's and catholic bashers attempts to credit him with), he has done a lot of harm to the Church's image.

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It's not this Pope that matters. It's the people that decided he should be the Pope. Those people are not in the hospital and will not be retiring.

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I find Catholic politics fascinating and followed the last two papal elections fairly closely. The Cardinals didn't elect Francis because they wanted a socialist, they elected him because they wanted a different ethos. John Paul II was a warrior, Benedict XVI was a thinker, and Francis is a humanitarian. I don't think anyone realized at the time that Francis had such naive and ignorant political views or that he would struggle to articulate his messages so much that his words could be twisted to fit almost any agenda. I also doubt the current cardinals would elect another pope like Francis just based on the number of very public disagreements and embarrassing "clarifications" the church has had to issue in response to some of his statements. Regardless, I think the next pope will again have a completely different ethos than the last three and I think, given the confusion wrought by Francis, it will be a strong teacher/communicator.

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So well stated. All the blue stars

Praying for a speedy and full recovery

As a lapsed Catholic, I just may start going to church again if they bring in somebody that is not a hard core leftist. JP II has always been my exemplar of what a Pope should be.

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The power structure of the Catholic Church, much like many Western countries now, is beyond repair.

For the Catholics on here, please do not take this as me bashing on your faith. I live in a heavily Catholic community and support many of their causes and charities locally. They do plenty good. I do find the Vatican and larger hierarchy repulsive though.

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Is this recency bias caused by a bad pope and a relatively ineffective one before that? Or would you have said the same thing during the JP II years?

I wish him no ill will, but he gots to go.

I'm not Catholic, nor am I wishing their pope death etc, but I laughed at this thought; we need Pope Pizza; this guy seems genuinely good.

Cardinal Pierbattista Pizzaballa, the Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem, offered himself as a hostage in exchange for the release of Israeli children taken by Hamas during the October 7 attacks. pic.twitter.com/rkhndEYffg

— Sachin Jose (@Sachinettiyil) February 18, 2025

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I certainly don't agree with a some of his stances on things, but I do think he genuinely cares for the poor.

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plenty of socialists genuinely care for the poor. that doesn't excuse the fact that they create more poverty and suffering.

Popes come and go (a few are saints or great or good or bad or evil), but the Church continues. Pope Francois needs to accept that and retire.

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I certainly don't agree with a some of his stances on things, but I do think he genuinely cares for the poor.

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Does he care for the poor, or does he hate those he considers wealthy?

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Time to call it a day like Ratzinger did. Retire and enjoy your days.

I liked this Pope as he said some positive stuff. Usually all they care about is "heathens" and how to "convert the world" which is total bs.

Time for a new modern pope.

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for false christ's and false prophets will arise, and they will show great signs and wonders so as to lead astray. if possible even the elect.

this pope is a false prophet. nothing he said leads people to christ.

the devil knows scripture this false prophet used scripture when it helped him lead peole astray. he believes there are multiple paths to heaven not jut through christ

you may like what he said but he is wrong. i am not equipped to pass judgement but i know enough to know he is wrong and it is purposeful.

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OK.

Unfortunately, his death, though tragic, would save lives

Ellis Wyatt said:

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I certainly don't agree with a some of his stances on things, but I do think he genuinely cares for the poor.

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Does he care for the poor, or does he hate those he considers wealthy?

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One can be both.

In the Pope's case, I'd imagine God knows what's in the heart of the one who leads His church.

That said, thank God the Pope will be alright and can continue to lead the church.

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If the Catholic Church really cared about poverty, they would pick a pro capitalist pope.

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ever heard of Saint John Paul II?

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I'm a protestant and I'd star this a millions times. That dude was a hero in every regard. Worked with Reagan and Thatcher to bring down the commies so the imprisoned in the old Soviet block could worship and spread the word in peace.