DOGE working at private sector speed

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Logos Stick
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5:27p, 2/17/25
So this TAS field is critical in auditing and tracking, but obviously government IT never got around to making it required. Or perhaps it was required at one point and they changed it to optional so they could fund whatever the bureaucrats wanted to fund for the left.


"In the Federal Government, the TAS field was optional for ~$4.7 Trillion in payments and was often left blank..."


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5:33p, 2/17/25
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nice!
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5:34p, 2/17/25
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I knew it was bad. But holy crap. 4.7 TRILLION dollars of likely fraud.

SMH
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5:36p, 2/17/25
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At this rate, the budget may be balanced in the next month or two
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5:38p, 2/17/25
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It's infuriating that something so basic as coding a check is seen as groundbreaking for the federal government.

No private citizen or business would get away with it without getting hammered by the IRS. Hell, you couldn't even get a CPA that would sign off on a return.

Bureaucrats need to do prison time over this one. It was a purposeful policy to cover WFA.
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Get Off My Lawn
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In reply to Logos Stick • 5:45p, 2/17/25
Cue the EDS screeching about "new code" to toggle the system from optional to required.
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In reply to Tailgate88 • 5:47p, 2/17/25
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Tailgate88 said:
I knew it was bad. But holy crap. 4.7 TRILLION dollars of likely fraud.

SMH
Thats not what this means.
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In reply to Get Off My Lawn • 5:51p, 2/17/25
Get Off My Lawn said:
Cue the EDS screeching about "new code" to toggle the system from optional to required.


I'm surprised a liberal judge has not issued a ruling that they make it optional again and remove the code.
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In reply to Tailgate88 • 5:55p, 2/17/25
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Tailgate88 said:
I knew it was bad. But holy crap. 4.7 TRILLION dollars of likely fraud.

SMH


I won't be happy until our DOJ starts putting people in prison for life.
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In reply to Jeeper79 • 5:55p, 2/17/25
Jeeper79 said:
Tailgate88 said:
I knew it was bad. But holy crap. 4.7 TRILLION dollars of likely fraud.

SMH
Thats not what this means.


Explain then.
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deddog
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5:59p, 2/17/25
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It means ineptitude that makes fraud easier.

The system didn't require you to identify who payments were being made to. That's now fixed. You have to identify who the payment goes out to
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In reply to DrEvazanPhD • 5:59p, 2/17/25
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DrEvazanPhD said:
Jeeper79 said:
Tailgate88 said:
I knew it was bad. But holy crap. 4.7 TRILLION dollars of likely fraud.

SMH
Thats not what this means.


Explain then.


I think he's saying it doesn't mean fraud was likely, however, proving fraud without traceability of payments would be damn hard to do.
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In reply to Jeeper79 • 6:00p, 2/17/25
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Jeeper79 said:
Tailgate88 said:
I knew it was bad. But holy crap. 4.7 TRILLION dollars of likely fraud.

SMH
Thats not what this means.


So you're just going to go with "it's gross negligence and incompetence" as opposed to fraud every single time. I mean, what's the end goal of yours? If you're just trying to prove to us that government employees are mostly incapable of exhibiting basic job skills and intelligence, then we already know that. No one here needs convincing.
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6:15p, 2/17/25
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Yeah, we just wasted money, no fraud at all. That's why only leftists are outraged now. Just a mistake folks, a rounding error, nothing to see.
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6:21p, 2/17/25
Here is what Elon thinks the ratio is on incompetence and fraud:

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6:22p, 2/17/25
Again, they are not fixing simple errors. They are closing open threads that allowed fraud to take place.
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In reply to DrEvazanPhD • 6:24p, 2/17/25
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DrEvazanPhD said:
Jeeper79 said:
Tailgate88 said:
I knew it was bad. But holy crap. 4.7 TRILLION dollars of likely fraud.

SMH
Thats not what this means.


Explain then.


Just because they were left optional means they were inappropriate. The vast majority are most likely real payments, just not coded properly
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6:27p, 2/17/25
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What is particularly infuriating is that they would put executives in jail for such an egregious lack of internal controls and fraud
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6:39p, 2/17/25
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Fraud requires intent.
In my world of AML and stock market manipulation, there is so many actors who don't appreciate their actions as manipulative or are willing participants so they can catch a deal, or pull one over on 'the man.'

The difference between being incompetent, a foolish follower, and a slimy POS can become very hard to distinguish
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In reply to Heineken-Ashi • 6:44p, 2/17/25
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Heineken-Ashi said:
Again, they are not fixing simple errors. They are closing open threads that allowed fraud to take place.

If you have a nice government contract, does it benefit you to solve problems that would ultimately result in an end to that contract?

In some ways the government's use of contractors, without oversight and guarantees, is the real fraud.
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In reply to jt16 • 6:58p, 2/17/25
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jt16 said:
......Just because they were left optional means they were inappropriate. The vast majority are most likely real payments, just not coded properly

They will know who received the payment, just not why the payment was made. Go back to the vendor and make them show why the payment was made.

My former company did consulting work for the State and they required an annual audit. We had an independent audit prepared, which was very detailed and labor intensive. It cost about $50k for my little operation. The State reviewed it and then would do their own sampling of data to verify. Additionally, our subconsulants were required to quarterly verify they had been paid.

Asking the vendor to provide the basis for the payment they received would be a minor request.
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In reply to tysker • 7:04p, 2/17/25
tysker said:
Heineken-Ashi said:
Again, they are not fixing simple errors. They are closing open threads that allowed fraud to take place.

If you have a nice government contract, does it benefit you to solve problems that would ultimately result in an end to that contract?

In some ways the government's use of contractors, without oversight and guarantees, is the real fraud.


Public administration 101 is to make tou have a reason for your department, agency, division or whatever has a reason to exist.

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In reply to Jeeper79 • 8:08p, 2/17/25
Jeeper79 said:
Tailgate88 said:
I knew it was bad. But holy crap. 4.7 TRILLION dollars of likely fraud.

SMH
Thats not what this means.
You have absolutely zero idea what this means.

They have been robbing us blind for years. Who knows how much they stole?
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8:11p, 2/17/25
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Instead of 2 week sprints, DOGE is running CICD
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8:16p, 2/17/25
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So I guess Trump would have been A-OK if he would have had his accounting dept leave the "For" portion of Stormy's check blank.

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8:17p, 2/17/25
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If government agencies had a Sarbanes-Oxley like law about internal controls, this specific type of fraud would never have happened, or the heads of the Department of Treasury for the last 3 decades would be facing jail time.

See this thread: https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3528524/replies/69680979
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8:19p, 2/17/25
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Doge is not operating at private sector speed.

It is operating at Muskermensch speed. If private sector speed is an F-1 racer, then federal government speed is a unicycle, and Doge is a SpaceX rocket.
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In reply to Ellis Wyatt • 8:22p, 2/17/25
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Ellis Wyatt said:
Jeeper79 said:
Tailgate88 said:
I knew it was bad. But holy crap. 4.7 TRILLION dollars of likely fraud.

SMH
Thats not what this means.
You have absolutely zero idea what this means.

They have been robbing us blind for years. Who knows how much they stole?
Given the scale of the wfa, there is a good reason they wanted to make it difficult to track. It's crystal clear that the federal government has been one big money laundering operation for the Democrats. Why any taxpayer would want to try and defend it is incomprehensible.

The federal government - our judge and jury - at a minimum, should have to live by the same standards it requires the private sector to live by. Period. Anything less, especially with holes of this size and scale, is inexcusable.
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In reply to Tailgate88 • 8:25p, 2/17/25
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Tailgate88 said:
I knew it was bad. But holy crap. 4.7 TRILLION dollars of likely fraud.

SMH

Quote:
At this rate, the budget may be balanced in the next month or two


Its actually good news potentially.

All the difficult task and talk about cutting entitlements and expending political capital doing that may be entirely unnecessary, or certainly no need to rush. If nearly 5 trillion of the federal govt is redundant fraud, you have alot more time to work out the complicated question of entitlements than you realized.
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In reply to Tony Franklins Other Shoe • 8:43p, 2/17/25
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Tony Franklins Other Shoe said:
So I guess Trump would have been A-OK if he would have had his accounting dept leave the "For" portion of Stormy's check blank.


Ironically, I think the answer is yes. Would have clouded the "intent" part as some of their rationale was he was HIDING it as "Legal Expense" in order to keep it from influencing his chances in the election.
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In reply to DrEvazanPhD • 8:54p, 2/17/25
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DrEvazanPhD said:
Jeeper79 said:
Tailgate88 said:
I knew it was bad. But holy crap. 4.7 TRILLION dollars of likely fraud.

SMH
Thats not what this means.


Explain then.
It means we have a flawed accounting system. One that should be fixed. But that's fundamentally different from outright fraud.
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In reply to Jeeper79 • 8:59p, 2/17/25
The accounting system is "flawed" specifically to enable fraud. A feature not a bug.
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In reply to Jeeper79 • 9:03p, 2/17/25
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Wait, are you saying there is no fraud?
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In reply to Jeeper79 • 9:03p, 2/17/25
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If the requirement for the classification was changed at some point, that would be interesting and may indicate a higher level fraud.

I would also imagine procedure required the information be inputted even if the system did not require it. That would also indicate gross incompetence or outright fraud.

It would not surprise me that at some point and in the interest of pushing money out, they may have decided to make the tag optional, and then procedure went awry.

At some point, the gross incompetence is fraudulent in itself.

Finally, congressional oversight bears much responsibility here, on both sides of the aisle. What is the point of all their committees and hearings if not to ask about the money they authorized being spent?

If a congress critter did not follow-up on how the dollars of the budgets they passed being spent, they should have to resign immediately and be barred from public office.
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In reply to Rockdoc • 9:05p, 2/17/25
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I think all they are saying is that the tweet from Elon is on point. It's not all fraud, but 20% of $4.7T is a lot of pennies.
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