Zelensky's daily meltdown

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3:57p, 2/18/25
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Still not sure where I fall in this whole debate…but it is troubling to learn that they postponed their elections…seems like they should've moved forward with those…does he still speak for the masses? Just not sure…

I do know that this effort to defend Ukraine has helped to launder "aid" money into people's pockets that had zero to do with providing aid…
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In reply to deddog • 3:58p, 2/18/25
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deddog said:
Hullabaloonatic said:
45-70Ag said:


If he truly wants the Ukrainian government to be involved in negotiations, have an open election that's monitored and whoever wins can represent Ukraine.

This clown is mad his free ride is over with president dementia.
I don't understand why you're celebrating the downfall of an ally. Truly baffling times we're in where Republicans cheer for Russia.
Wanting to not fund Ukraine's war, doesn't mean you cheer for Russia.
This kind of specious logic, and corrupt politicians sending money to a corrupt Ukraine regime is exactly why Trump was elected.
We send billons to Ukraine, but $700 dollars to Americans whose houses were burnt down.
Insanity.

One can easily be against funding this war by while also understanding why someone may not want to surrender their nation.
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In reply to deddog • 3:59p, 2/18/25
deddog said:
Hullabaloonatic said:
45-70Ag said:


If he truly wants the Ukrainian government to be involved in negotiations, have an open election that's monitored and whoever wins can represent Ukraine.

This clown is mad his free ride is over with president dementia.
I don't understand why you're celebrating the downfall of an ally. Truly baffling times we're in where Republicans cheer for Russia.
Wanting to not fund Ukraine's war, doesn't mean you cheer for Russia.
This kind of specious logic, and corrupt politicians sending money to a corrupt Ukraine regime is exactly why Trump was elected.
We send billons to Ukraine, but $700 dollars to Americans whose houses were burnt down.
Insanity.
We literally agreed to defend Ukraine if they de-nuclearized. That was the deal we made to them and we should uphold that deal because a) we said we would, b) it screws Russia while costing us little, and c) it's in the best interest of our own western alliances to keep as much space between Russia and the rest of NATO.
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In reply to Ags4DaWin • 3:59p, 2/18/25
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Ags4DaWin said:
Teslag said:
Logos Stick said:
Teslag said:
45-70Ag said:
The best thing for Ukraine is for their own people to decide who their leaders should be and if he wants to stand in the way, he should be Mussolini'd.


Their constitution does not allow for elections during martial law. In addition, how do you propose holding elections in areas under Russian occupation?


Get rid of Martial Law. Next.


They can do that as soon as the foreign invader isn't on their soil…


I seem to remember someone telling me once that Putin was free to leave anytime he wanted.

Well Zelensly can have an election anytime he wants.

Let's hold everyone to the same standard.

If the Ukrainian people want to continue the conflict and think he is doing a good job then they will reelect him.

But why not let the Ukrainian people decide what they want?


How do you hold the elections in areas of your country occupied by a foreign nation?
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In reply to Teslag • 3:59p, 2/18/25
Teslag said:
deddog said:
Hullabaloonatic said:
45-70Ag said:


If he truly wants the Ukrainian government to be involved in negotiations, have an open election that's monitored and whoever wins can represent Ukraine.

This clown is mad his free ride is over with president dementia.
I don't understand why you're celebrating the downfall of an ally. Truly baffling times we're in where Republicans cheer for Russia.
Wanting to not fund Ukraine's war, doesn't mean you cheer for Russia.
This kind of specious logic, and corrupt politicians sending money to a corrupt Ukraine regime is exactly why Trump was elected.
We send billons to Ukraine, but $700 dollars to Americans whose houses were burnt down.
Insanity.

One can easily be against funding this war by while also understanding why someone may not want to surrender their nation.


If we don't fund the war, there won't be a war.
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4:02p, 2/18/25
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I do have some sympathy for the situation Zelenski is in. NATO and the West did promise to protect Ukraine from Russian aggression when they agreed to give up their nukes. You can make a valid argument on whether or not we have done enough to fulfill the obligation we gave them.

Additionally, a peace agreement was on the table early in the war. Biden and company trashed it so they could cash in with their military industrial complex buddies. Russia deserves a vast majority of the blame this debacle, but we shouldn't pretend to be innocent as the fresh snow.

In the end, there will be no winners in this mess. Only farmlands full of corpses and daisies.
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In reply to Teslag • 4:02p, 2/18/25
I still expect you overestimate Ukrainian support for the current situation. 2 years without a material change in battle lines. Just more dead and maimed sons. What's best for Ukraine: an unending meat grinder or officially losing land that's already been captured?
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4:03p, 2/18/25
A whole page and not a Clarkson meme to be seen. This place is going the way of the Zoo.
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In reply to Logos Stick • 4:03p, 2/18/25
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Logos Stick said:
Teslag said:
deddog said:
Hullabaloonatic said:
45-70Ag said:


If he truly wants the Ukrainian government to be involved in negotiations, have an open election that's monitored and whoever wins can represent Ukraine.

This clown is mad his free ride is over with president dementia.
I don't understand why you're celebrating the downfall of an ally. Truly baffling times we're in where Republicans cheer for Russia.
Wanting to not fund Ukraine's war, doesn't mean you cheer for Russia.
This kind of specious logic, and corrupt politicians sending money to a corrupt Ukraine regime is exactly why Trump was elected.
We send billons to Ukraine, but $700 dollars to Americans whose houses were burnt down.
Insanity.

One can easily be against funding this war by while also understanding why someone may not want to surrender their nation.


If we don't fund the war, there won't be a war.


That's not how it works. They will keep fighting as an insurgency plus with whatever Europe gives them.

They don't want to be Russians. It's complete naivety to think they'll just lay down and accept that.
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In reply to Get Off My Lawn • 4:05p, 2/18/25
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Get Off My Lawn said:
I still expect you overestimate Ukrainian support for the current situation. 2 years without a material change in battle lines. Just more dead and maimed sons. What's best for Ukraine: an unending meat grinder or officially losing land that's already been captured?


I think at this point they are fighting to ensure the ones on the western side of those lines remain Ukrainian.
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In reply to 45-70Ag • 4:07p, 2/18/25
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45-70Ag said:


If he truly wants the Ukrainian government to be involved in negotiations, have an open election that's monitored and whoever wins can represent Ukraine.

This clown is mad his free ride is over with president dementia.
Man, the brain rot is just as bad for the right as it ever was for the left. The Ukes themselves have polled strongly against holding elections right now. It is purely a talking point for those who would capitalize on it currently. An open and fair election would be impossible with nearly a million members under arms and fighting an existential war and many other citizens in occupied territory or abroad. Not to mention polling stations would absolutely draw Russian strikes. It's literally their way of war, proven countless times over three years in this war alone.

Biden and his admin ran that aid to Ukraine in the dumbest and most inefficient way possible and I am positive it was done that way on purpose. For both as a political weapon and to draw out the conflict for monetary and power gain among the players. Both right and left. Zelensky got screwed over just as much by Biden as anyone else. And if Zelensky was as corrupt as everyone alludes to, Putin would have just bought him off day one and been done with it.

Zelensky is pissed because the US just decided to unilaterally hold talks with Russia with zero invites to either Ukraine or Europe. I don't care how much of a Trump idol you are, that is f'ing stupid. Not to mention while literally giving up all the leverage we could have had in any sort of deal against Russia before the talks even began. So the US and Russia are dealing right now as we speak with the fate of Ukraine and Zelensky is purposely sidelined from the talks and he is supposed to be happy? I swear if any of yall cannot understand that basic ass concept of human interaction and dealings, I am ashamed to have graduated from the same school as you.

I am a 3x Trump voter and I knew there would be things I would disagree with each time. Well, this is one of them right off the bat. Europe is a mess, yes, and deserve to have their peepees smacked. But to spurn them completely overnight while seemingly cozying up to Russia in the same breath is gross to see and something that could possible lead to a path of long term regret IMO. I don't like where this is going personally....
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In reply to FIDO95 • 4:09p, 2/18/25
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Additionally, a peace agreement was on the table early in the war.


That was just a surrender and they were right not to agree with it.
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In reply to Eliminatus • 4:10p, 2/18/25
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Eliminatus said:
45-70Ag said:


If he truly wants the Ukrainian government to be involved in negotiations, have an open election that's monitored and whoever wins can represent Ukraine.

This clown is mad his free ride is over with president dementia.
Man, the brain rot is just as bad for the right as it ever was for the left. The Ukes themselves have polled strongly against holding elections right now. It is purely a talking point for those who would capitalize on it currently. An open and fair election would be impossible with nearly a million members under arms and fighting an existential war and many other citizens in occupied territory or abroad. Not to mention polling stations would absolutely draw Russian strikes. It's literally their way of war, proven countless times over three years in this war alone.

Biden and his admin ran that aid to Ukraine in the dumbest and most inefficient way possible and I am positive it was done that way on purpose. For both as a political weapon and to draw out the conflict for monetary and power gain among the players. Both right and left. Zelensky got screwed over just as much by Biden as anyone else. And if Zelensky was as corrupt as everyone alludes to, Putin would have just bought him off day one and been done with it.

Zelensky is pissed because the US just decided to unilaterally hold talks with Russia with zero invites to either Ukraine or Europe. I don't care how much of a Trump idol you are, that is f'ing stupid. Not to mention while literally giving up all the leverage we could have had in any sort of deal against Russia before the talks even began. So the US and Russia are dealing right now as we speak with the fate of Ukraine and Zelensky is purposely sidelined from the talks and he is supposed to be happy? I swear if any of yall cannot understand that basic ass concept of human interaction and dealings, I am ashamed to have graduated from the same school as you.

I am a 3x Trump voter and I knew there would be things I would disagree with each time. Well, this is one of them right off the bat. Europe is a mess, yes, and deserve to have their peepees smacked. But to spurn them completely overnight while seemingly cozying up to Russia in the same breath is gross to see and something that could possible lead to a path of long term regret IMO. I don't like where this is going personally....



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In reply to Get Off My Lawn • 4:13p, 2/18/25
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Get Off My Lawn said:
I still expect you overestimate Ukrainian support for the current situation. 2 years without a material change in battle lines. Just more dead and maimed sons. What's best for Ukraine: an unending meat grinder or officially losing land that's already been captured?
And yet they are still fighting hard while being grossly outgunned and outmanned at nearly every minute of this war. They have destroyed the very army that was built to dominate Europe and kept our parents awake at night and they did it while everyone expected them to lose in mere days. They did it while taking gruesome losses themselves to boot and still fight for their land and families that die every night in Russian strikes.

Why do you discount all of that? That's the simplest check for resolve in my book.
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In reply to Eliminatus • 4:17p, 2/18/25
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Eliminatus said:
I am a 3x Trump voter and I knew there would be things I would disagree with each time. Well, this is one of them right off the bat. Europe is a mess, yes, and deserve to have their peepees smacked. But to spurn them completely overnight while seemingly cozying up to Russia in the same breath is gross to see and something that could possible lead to a path of long term regret IMO. I don't like where this is going personally....
Exactly the same here. Well said. Thank you.
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4:19p, 2/18/25
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Quote:
Wanting to not fund Ukraine's war, doesn't mean you cheer for Russia.
There's a whole lot of dumbasses that still cannot figure this one out.
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In reply to Teslag • 4:20p, 2/18/25
Teslag said:
Quote:
Additionally, a peace agreement was on the table early in the war.


That was just a surrender and they were right not to agree with it.


No it wasn't it was an agreement that ceded territory in which the current Ukraine regime was persecuting prorussian people.

Please stop trying to rewrite history.
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In reply to Teslag • 4:20p, 2/18/25
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Teslag said:
Logos Stick said:
Teslag said:
45-70Ag said:
The best thing for Ukraine is for their own people to decide who their leaders should be and if he wants to stand in the way, he should be Mussolini'd.


Their constitution does not allow for elections during martial law. In addition, how do you propose holding elections in areas under Russian occupation?


Get rid of Martial Law. Next.


They can do that as soon as the foreign invader isn't on their soil…


Not our problem
It's theirs and Europe's.
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In reply to Ags4DaWin • 4:23p, 2/18/25
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Ags4DaWin said:
Teslag said:
Quote:
Additionally, a peace agreement was on the table early in the war.


That was just a surrender and they were right not to agree with it.


No it wasn't it was an agreement that ceded territory in which the current Ukraine regime was persecuting prorussian people.

Please stop trying to rewrite history.


Wow, thanks for the laugh
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4:27p, 2/18/25
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We're negotiating on Ukraine's behalf. Russia started the war, so we are talking to them to get it stopped. They didn't listen to Ukraine the first time so why do they need to be there now?


I am part of the problem and you're the victim...
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4:28p, 2/18/25
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He will eventually have to leave Ukraine and go into exile. I think he is a dead man walking.


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In reply to Ags4DaWin • 4:29p, 2/18/25
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Ags4DaWin said:
Teslag said:
Quote:
Additionally, a peace agreement was on the table early in the war.


That was just a surrender and they were right not to agree with it.


No it wasn't it was an agreement that ceded territory in which the current Ukraine regime was persecuting prorussian people.

Please stop trying to rewrite history.


It would have ceded both Kherson and Kharkiv, both area comprising over a million Ukrainians to Russian control, along with hundreds of other towns and villages, that are most definitely not ethnically Russian. And all of those were later liberated by Ukraine months after your "deal".
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In reply to benchmark • 4:34p, 2/18/25
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benchmark said:
Eliminatus said:
I am a 3x Trump voter and I knew there would be things I would disagree with each time. Well, this is one of them right off the bat. Europe is a mess, yes, and deserve to have their peepees smacked. But to spurn them completely overnight while seemingly cozying up to Russia in the same breath is gross to see and something that could possible lead to a path of long term regret IMO. I don't like where this is going personally....
Exactly the same here. Well said. Thank you.
I don't see that any of them are spurned. It's just initial talks which allows the US to establish a framework for its own interests first before others get involved. This is a proxy war between the US and Russia after all.
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4:39p, 2/18/25
There is ZERO national security interest in the US trying to maintain this war.

Forget the peace agreement then like the war mongers want in here and let's stop the money flow. Ukraine and Europe can fight for "democracy", which is a laughable joke.

Countries and peoples get conquered all the time. We conquered the natives. We took a crap ton of land from Mexico. It happens.
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In reply to Eliminatus • 4:45p, 2/18/25
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Get Off My Lawn said:
I still expect you overestimate Ukrainian support for the current situation. 2 years without a material change in battle lines. Just more dead and maimed sons. What's best for Ukraine: an unending meat grinder or officially losing land that's already been captured?
And yet they are still fighting hard while being grossly outgunned and outmanned at nearly every minute of this war. They have destroyed the very army that was built to dominate Europe and kept our parents awake at night and they did it while everyone expected them to lose in mere days. They did it while taking gruesome losses themselves to boot and still fight for their land and families that die every night in Russian strikes.

Why do you discount all of that? That's the simplest check for resolve in my book.
The best men die first. The cowards and grifters and politicians stay home and Jody all the ladies. History is replete with this horror.

But let's not fall for a sunk cost fallacy. None of us cared much about Ukraine's borders in 1991 or 2008 or even in 2012. Ukrainians may have: and that's their prerogative, but i still want no part in funding the perpetuation of a European death machine when it can end with a redrawing of lines that I don't care about. Let Zelensky appeal to Europe.
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In reply to Teslag • 4:48p, 2/18/25
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Teslag said:
deddog said:
Hullabaloonatic said:
45-70Ag said:


If he truly wants the Ukrainian government to be involved in negotiations, have an open election that's monitored and whoever wins can represent Ukraine.

This clown is mad his free ride is over with president dementia.
I don't understand why you're celebrating the downfall of an ally. Truly baffling times we're in where Republicans cheer for Russia.
Wanting to not fund Ukraine's war, doesn't mean you cheer for Russia.
This kind of specious logic, and corrupt politicians sending money to a corrupt Ukraine regime is exactly why Trump was elected.
We send billons to Ukraine, but $700 dollars to Americans whose houses were burnt down.
Insanity.

One can easily be against funding this war by while also understanding why someone may not want to surrender their nation.
I completely understand Zelensky's point of view.
He's better off courting Europe. The US gravy train is ending.
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4:49p, 2/18/25
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As I game it out in my mind, the only good end to this is one that nobody is happy with. So it's in everyone's interest that someone pick up the baton to start working toward resolution, however imperfect the process may be. At least there is hope for progress, which we haven't seen since day 1.
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In reply to Logos Stick • 4:49p, 2/18/25
Logos Stick said:
There is ZERO national security interest in the US trying to maintain this war.

Forget the peace agreement then like the war mongers want in here and let's stop the money flow. Ukraine and Europe can fight for "democracy", which is a laughable joke.

Countries and peoples get conquered all the time. We conquered the natives. We took a crap ton of land from Mexico. It happens.
Well… let's not say "zero interest." There's a big interest. It's merely illegitimate. Our Blob wants to collapse Russia by severing Russia's oil from Europe. Which seems foolish and evil to me, but hey - I'm just a taxpayer a hemisphere away.
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In reply to W • 4:53p, 2/18/25
W said:
does Zelenskyy want the war to end?

it doesn't seem like it
This
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4:54p, 2/18/25
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Trump himself clearly has Zelensky, Russiagate participant that he was, in his sites.

That alone simply explains the green goblin's *****ing.
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4:54p, 2/18/25
Most don't remember this but had Varennikov not attempted a failed coup in 91, Ukraine would be part of Russia right now. They voted overwhelmingly at the time, like 75%, to join a Russian federation of states. It was simply an odd twist of fate that they are not. So we are 35 years delayed.
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In reply to Get Off My Lawn • 4:55p, 2/18/25
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Get Off My Lawn said:
Eliminatus said:
Get Off My Lawn said:
I still expect you overestimate Ukrainian support for the current situation. 2 years without a material change in battle lines. Just more dead and maimed sons. What's best for Ukraine: an unending meat grinder or officially losing land that's already been captured?
And yet they are still fighting hard while being grossly outgunned and outmanned at nearly every minute of this war. They have destroyed the very army that was built to dominate Europe and kept our parents awake at night and they did it while everyone expected them to lose in mere days. They did it while taking gruesome losses themselves to boot and still fight for their land and families that die every night in Russian strikes.

Why do you discount all of that? That's the simplest check for resolve in my book.
The best men die first. The cowards and grifters and politicians stay home and Jody all the ladies. History is replete with this horror.

But let's not fall for a sunk cost fallacy. None of us cared much about Ukraine's borders in 1991 or 2008 or even in 2012. Ukrainians may have: and that's their prerogative, but i still want no part in funding the perpetuation of a European death machine when it can end with a redrawing of lines that I don't care about. Let Zelensky appeal to Europe.
It is their prerogative and exactly what my point was. You then just extended the goal posts here.
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4:55p, 2/18/25
If trump can mediate an end in which the war ceases and Russia gets a little land to save the rest of Ukrainian men and women from being killed, Zelenskyy and the world ought to see that as a win at this point.

Ukraine isn't going to win the war, I don't care how much money we send them. Putin is crazy and won't quit so anything remotely reasonable should be offered to end it.

If Zelenskyy thinks, Ukraine can somehow win without nato putting boots on the ground, he's as crazy as Putin.
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In reply to Hullabaloonatic • 4:56p, 2/18/25
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Hullabaloonatic said:
deddog said:
Hullabaloonatic said:
45-70Ag said:


If he truly wants the Ukrainian government to be involved in negotiations, have an open election that's monitored and whoever wins can represent Ukraine.

This clown is mad his free ride is over with president dementia.
I don't understand why you're celebrating the downfall of an ally. Truly baffling times we're in where Republicans cheer for Russia.
Wanting to not fund Ukraine's war, doesn't mean you cheer for Russia.
This kind of specious logic, and corrupt politicians sending money to a corrupt Ukraine regime is exactly why Trump was elected.
We send billons to Ukraine, but $700 dollars to Americans whose houses were burnt down.
Insanity.
We literally agreed to defend Ukraine if they de-nuclearized. That was the deal we made to them and we should uphold that deal because a) we said we would, b) it screws Russia while costing us little, and c) it's in the best interest of our own western alliances to keep as much space between Russia and the rest of NATO.
a) Did we sign anything?
b) It's actually costing us a lot. We are borrowing Billions of dollars and funneling it to Ukraine and American companies. Are we able to account for every dollar spent? i guarantee that we are not.
c) Agreed. So maybe the Western alliances can spend some of their own money.

b. is problematic. It's where the interests of the US and Ukraine diverge.

Ukraine should want the war to end as quickly as possible. It is in US interests to prolong the war as long as possible - doesn't cost us lives, "only money" and kills lots and lots of Russians (dead Ukrainians are collateral damage). This is problematic. The war being at a stalemate doesn't help. How long are you willing to fund a war with no end?
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In reply to nortex97 • 4:57p, 2/18/25
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Zelenskyy doesn't have a 4% approval rating. Good lord
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