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45-70Ag said:

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🚨BREAKING: Zelenskyy just said "He no longer feels supported by the US."

— Derrick Evans (@DerrickEvans4WV) February 18, 2025

If he truly wants the Ukrainian government to be involved in negotiations, have an open election that's monitored and whoever wins can represent Ukraine.

This clown is mad his free ride is over with president dementia.

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Can we just give Ukraine back to Russia already?

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I'm old enough to remember when conservatives hated ruthless dictators.

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I remember when conservatives hated spending hundreds of billions of dollars to make Ukrainian grittier oligarchs rich sso that congress people could keep their illegal bioweapons labs and money laundering schemes intact.

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Biolabs y'all.

Teslag said:

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The gall of that guy to want what's best for his country that's being invaded

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Most successful coup leaders become dictators and then get upset when they are invaded….he is pretty much par for the course.

Finding any angle you can to tote water for Putin is something else.


Blah, blah, Biden, Zelinsky bad. STFU and stay on topic children. We're discussing the invasion of a sovereign nation by a very well established adversary, headed by a dictator. A step to place them closer to NATO alleys, territorial expansion, kinda their MO since... forever.

Never mind geopolitical stability, never mind the precedent it sets, never mind it's just a straight up challenge to NATO and Western democracies.

Ukraine should never have started it. If only Ukraine had free, fair, and monitored elections, like Russia, Zelenskyy would be voted out, and Trump would have another bro to chat with. We should pull out of Poland too. Just to own the libs.

This all was allowed when Biden said it would be okay for Russia to invade just a little bit. Then the never ending money grift was on. Sorry, this sham needs to end and we can lay the blame on Biden and the swamp. American spoke in Nov 2024.

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jrdaustin said:

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Teslag said:

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Teslag said:

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The gall of that guy to want what's best for his country that's being invaded

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Do you want American troops/NATO in this fight. This is unwinnable for Ukraine and more people are dying because of our support

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Of course not. I want a negotiated peace along current lines and Ukraine in NATO. And if not in NATO then security presence or arms for Ukraine to stave off any future Russian aggression.

Is that so bad?

And people are only dying because Russia invaded a sovereign nation. Don't forget that.

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And that, Ladies and Gentlemen, is precisely how you get the US into a kinetic war with Russia and China at the same time.

Again, look at NATO's expansion eastward over time, and tell me that Putin is unreasonable in seeing NATO as an aggressor.

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Countries that have experienced Russia all clamor to join NATO. Joining a defensive pact is somehow aggressive

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You and I might not think so, but to Putin - who has watched the NORTH ATLANTIC Treaty Organization expand from the North Atlantic eastward, gobbling up former Soviet sattelites right up to the border of Russia - the westward expansion of NATO could easily be seen as an aggression.

Why is looking at NATO through Russia's eyes so hard for some people?

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Oof. Misread

ETFan said:

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Finding any angle you can to tote water for Putin is something else.


Blah, blah, Biden, Zelinsky bad. STFU and stay on topic children. We're discussing the invasion of a sovereign nation by a very well established adversary, headed by a dictator. A step to place them closer to NATO alleys, territorial expansion, kinda their MO since... forever.

Never mind geopolitical stability, never mind the precedent it sets, never mind it's just a straight up challenge to NATO and Western democracies.

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Tell me how Ukraine sovereignty affects the prices I pay for groceries or my taxes. If you haven't learned by now, those of us who don't give a **** don't give a ***** It's not my problem what happens to Ukraine, just like it's not a Ukrainian's problem that our border was a wide open disaster.

Like they say on the airplane, secure your air mask before assisting others.

Looking forward to the green goblin's tears today from Trump's smack down yesterday:

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As for Ukraine having hurt feelings over not having a seat at the table in Riyadh?

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TRUMP: Well, they've had a seat for three years and a long time before that. This could have been settled very easily -- just a half, a half-baked negotiator could have settled this years ago without the loss of much land, very little land. Without the loss of any lives and without the loss of cities that are just laying on their sides. You have those magnificent golden domes that are shattered, will never be replaced.

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But, the president wasn't done and suggested that it may be time for the Ukrainian people to demand new elections after suffering for so long under "martial law." When a reporter asked if the United States would support Russia's desire to force a special election as part of a potential peace deal, Pres. Trump made it not-so-subtly known that the idea has merit:

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TRUMP: Well, we have a situation where we haven't had elections in Ukraine, where we have martial law, essentially martial law in Ukraine, where the leader in Ukraine -- I mean I hate to say it but he's down at 4 percent approval rating -- and where a country has been blown to smithereens.
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And, yeah, I would say that when they want a seat at the table, wouldn't the people of Ukraine have to say, "It's been a long time since we've had an election?" That's not a Russia thing, that's something coming from me and coming from many other countries.

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President Trump essentially issued a no-confidence vote in Volodymyr Zelensky, making it clear why Ukraine was not invited to Saudi Arabia. Trump emphasized repeatedly that this war would not have taken place under his watch, stating the previous American president was "grossly incompetent -- he had no idea what he was doing; he said some very stupid things."

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Gee, I wonder why Trump believes Zelensky hasn't negotiated/worked to actually end the war? He's been dropping F-bombs toward Putin instead, and categorically refused to ever even talk to him/Russian leadership.

Zelenskyy calling Putin a “f*cking terrorist” on live TV

Zelensky is in full blown PANIC mode because it's all coming to an end. A presidential election will take place right away in Ukraine as soon as Trump ends the war. This means Zelensky will be out of power. He is currently… pic.twitter.com/Ub8SnoguSg

— ♡Land Of ILLUSION♡ (@Landofillusion1) November 11, 2024

Of course Trump's full of bravado himself but he sees himself first and foremost as a deal maker. Polymarket noticed:

Following today’s statement by U.S. President Donald J. Trump, calling for presidential elections in Ukraine for the first time since 2019, while stating that current President Volodymyr Zelensky is “extremely unpopular” with a 4% approval rating; traders on Polymarket’s betting… pic.twitter.com/8l70yhsQ1c

— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) February 19, 2025

Kellog is in Kiev today, curious what sound bytes we get.

Poor Zelensky. How does the graft and corruption continue without the US supplying it all?

I am not defending Z but this is an honest question: how do you tell a country that has an active war zone and regions occupied by an invading force to hold "free and fair" elections? Seems ripe for rat f***ery on all sides.

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I am not defending Z but this is an honest question: how do you tell a country that has an active war zone and regions occupied by an invading force to hold "free and fair" elections? Seems ripe for rat f***ery on all sides.

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Lincoln pulled it off, among a vast array of others. Z is among the only to claim they just have no way to have an election because of a war. Disfunctional countries like Iraq, Afghanistan, and the US during insane covidian times (though 2020 was obviously a corrupt experience) have pulled it off just this century.

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• War of 1812: The 1816 presidential election took place amidst the War of 1812. James Monroe and Rufus King were both candidates, but the focus was on the war, and the election was held as scheduled.
• Mexican-American War (1846-1848): The 1848 presidential election occurred while the war was still underway. Zachary Taylor was elected, but his inaugural address focused on the conflict.
• American Civil War (1861-1865): Although the Civil War was not officially declared a war at the time, the elections of 1860, 1864, and 1868 took place during the conflict. Presidents Abraham Lincoln, Andrew Johnson, and Ulysses S. Grant navigated the challenges of the war while also conducting elections.
• World War I (1917-1918): Woodrow Wilson was re-elected in 1916 despite the war's ongoing conflicts. The election was initially scheduled for 1915, but was postponed until 1916 due to the war.
• World War II (1939-1945): The 1940 presidential election took place between Franklin D. Roosevelt (who was seeking an unprecedented third term) and Republican candidate Wendell Willkie. The election was won by Roosevelt, who promised to continue leading the war effort.
• War in Afghanistan and Iraq (2001-present): The 2004, 2008, 2012, and 2016 presidential elections were all held during ongoing conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq. While the wars were controversial, the elections proceeded smoothly.

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And the regions Russia has annexed are never coming back to Ukraine, so really that's not an issue, it's a misnomer at best.

Zelensky will soon be talked about in the past sense, he over played his hand. He went from exotic stage dancer to the man that led his country to destruction. He was the perfect patsy.

Teslag said:

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The gall of that guy to want what's best for his country that's being invaded

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He can want what's best for his country all he want as long as it doesn't conflict with what's best for my country.

Just remember the “tankies” called this in 2022 https://t.co/bamebzYu2q pic.twitter.com/2WZdM2t5pr

— Sean Padraig McCarthy (@SeanMcCarthyCom) February 18, 2025

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The only reason Russia was concerned about Ukraine in NATO is because it would make it all but impossible to make Ukraine a part of Russia.

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Really, did Putin whisper that into your ear? Or are you making a hell of an assumption?

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Well that and he wrote an essay about how Ukraine had always been a part of Russia as one of his justifications for war.

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I am not defending Z but this is an honest question: how do you tell a country that has an active war zone and regions occupied by an invading force to hold "free and fair" elections? Seems ripe for rat f***ery on all sides.

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Lincoln pulled it off, among a vast array of others. Z is among the only to claim they just have no way to have an election because of a war. Disfunctional countries like Iraq, Afghanistan, and the US during insane covidian times (though 2020 was obviously a corrupt experience) have pulled it off just this century.

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• War of 1812: The 1816 presidential election took place amidst the War of 1812. James Monroe and Rufus King were both candidates, but the focus was on the war, and the election was held as scheduled.
• Mexican-American War (1846-1848): The 1848 presidential election occurred while the war was still underway. Zachary Taylor was elected, but his inaugural address focused on the conflict.
• American Civil War (1861-1865): Although the Civil War was not officially declared a war at the time, the elections of 1860, 1864, and 1868 took place during the conflict. Presidents Abraham Lincoln, Andrew Johnson, and Ulysses S. Grant navigated the challenges of the war while also conducting elections.
• World War I (1917-1918): Woodrow Wilson was re-elected in 1916 despite the war's ongoing conflicts. The election was initially scheduled for 1915, but was postponed until 1916 due to the war.
• World War II (1939-1945): The 1940 presidential election took place between Franklin D. Roosevelt (who was seeking an unprecedented third term) and Republican candidate Wendell Willkie. The election was won by Roosevelt, who promised to continue leading the war effort.
• War in Afghanistan and Iraq (2001-present): The 2004, 2008, 2012, and 2016 presidential elections were all held during ongoing conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq. While the wars were controversial, the elections proceeded smoothly.

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And the regions Russia has annexed are never coming back to Ukraine, so really that's not an issue, it's a misnomer at best.

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Some of those regions aren't even completely under Russian control and never will be.

Aggie Apotheosis said:

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🚨BREAKING: Zelenskyy just said "He no longer feels supported by the US."

— Derrick Evans (@DerrickEvans4WV) February 18, 2025

If he truly wants the Ukrainian government to be involved in negotiations, have an open election that's monitored and whoever wins can represent Ukraine.

This clown is mad his free ride is over with president dementia.

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Can we just give Ukraine back to Russia already?

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I'm old enough to remember when conservatives hated ruthless dictators.

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Keep up - we elected Hitler twice. Your gaslighting worked, conservatives now love ruthless dictators!

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🚨BREAKING: Zelenskyy just said "He no longer feels supported by the US."

— Derrick Evans (@DerrickEvans4WV) February 18, 2025

If he truly wants the Ukrainian government to be involved in negotiations, have an open election that's monitored and whoever wins can represent Ukraine.

This clown is mad his free ride is over with president dementia.

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I don't understand why you're celebrating the downfall of an ally. Truly baffling times we're in where Republicans cheer for Russia.

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I'm cheering for America, unlike you lefties. The only reason you support this war is because you hate Trump.

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Now that's a really tall pile of bull*****

I guess you don't remember the Soviet Union. The last thing we want Russia to do is to form that or something similar. They need to settle down and act responsible, not try to get whatever they want by taking their neighboring countries to war.

Russia brought this upon themselves. The very last thing we should ever do is bail them out.

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I don't understand why you're celebrating the downfall of an ally. Truly baffling times we're in where Republicans cheer for Russia.

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Wrong. Screw Russia. We just don't want to pay for foreign wars any longer. And especially the obvious graft and kickbacks being funded with our tax dollars.

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We aren't (or shouldn't be) a country of Chamberlains.

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Of course Trump's full of bravado himself but he sees himself first and foremost as a deal maker.

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Like he did with the USFL?

Aggie Apotheosis said:

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🚨BREAKING: Zelenskyy just said "He no longer feels supported by the US."

— Derrick Evans (@DerrickEvans4WV) February 18, 2025

If he truly wants the Ukrainian government to be involved in negotiations, have an open election that's monitored and whoever wins can represent Ukraine.

This clown is mad his free ride is over with president dementia.

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Can we just give Ukraine back to Russia already?

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I'm old enough to remember when conservatives hated ruthless dictators.

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Conservatives still do. Doesn't mean we believe we should fund endless wars that don't involve us when it's clear billions are being stolen from us.

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🚨BREAKING: Zelenskyy just said "He no longer feels supported by the US."

— Derrick Evans (@DerrickEvans4WV) February 18, 2025

If he truly wants the Ukrainian government to be involved in negotiations, have an open election that's monitored and whoever wins can represent Ukraine.

This clown is mad his free ride is over with president dementia.

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Can we just give Ukraine back to Russia already?

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I'm old enough to remember when conservatives hated ruthless dictators.

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Conservatives still do. Doesn't mean we believe we should fund endless wars that don't involve us when it's clear billions are being stolen from us.

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You can easily be against the funding of this war without echoing Russia's BS claims for justification or demonizing a guy for simply resisting an invasion of his country.

Russian propaganda is working wonders on the right. The US has sent a grand total of $68b worth of aid to Ukraine in the last 3 years. A majority of that aid was from existing stockpiles of weapons and equipment that were commissioned for replacement (aka expired). We're talking about such a miniscule amount of actual money ($10-12b per year) to keep RUSSIA FROM TAKING SOVERIGN TERRITORY OF AN ALLIED NATION and people here are saying 'let em have it'....I'm at a loss.

Edit: and the best part is that these same "non-interventionists" are parroting Trumps moronic plan to invade Greenland, Panama or effing Gaza. They want to appease our enemies and invade our allies. It's lunacy.

Teslag said:

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The gall of that guy to want what's best for his country that's being invaded

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No problem.......

He can get the money he needs from the leftist, socialist Western European Governments that don't want the war to end and watch his entire country turn into a modern day version of WWII Dresden.

Or, he could hold immediate elections to see if he survives as the duly elected Ukrainian leader and find out if the people want the war to continue or not.

The choice is his........

So if you're saying it's only 68b of aid, then Europe should easily be able to cover it, yes?

Quite frankly Ukraine's problem isn't money, it's manpower. They will lose the war no matter if we gave them 4 trillion dollars because they simply can't keep dying on a 1:1 ratio with the Russians.

Better make peace now before the Russians inevitably breakthrough and seize more territory. They'll just have to roll the dice and hope the future holds something better, because the current war is just a waste of our money and their lives.

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So if you're saying it's only 68b of aid, then Europe should easily be able to cover it, yes?

Quite frankly Ukraine's problem isn't money, it's manpower. They will lose the war no matter if we gave them 4 trillion dollars because they simply can't keep dying on a 1:1 ratio with the Russians.

Better make peace now before the Russians inevitably breakthrough and seize more territory. They'll just have to roll the dice and hope the future holds something better, because the current war is just a waste of our money and their lives.

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68b of aid, mostly in the form of outdated stockpiled weapons and Europe is providing more aid than we are.

Correct. The Kiev leadership, nor Biden's pentagon/WH team, cared one iota about the Ukrainian people, as manifested in the gross lies about how many have been killed and wounded, while refusing to talk to the Russians.

Today's rant from the little guy is that Trump is a liar spreading Russian 'disinformation.'

Zelensky canceled Ukraine’s trip to Saudi Arabia for peace talks, now he’s accusing Trump of peddling “disinformation.”

He’s going to continue begging the west to fund this years long quagmire, with the unattainable goal of reclaiming all territory. pic.twitter.com/m0OVSIfSyo

— johnny maga (@_johnnymaga) February 19, 2025

You know Trump is telling the truth about Ukraine when Zelensky accuses him of living in “disinformation space.” pic.twitter.com/XSECmdp14X

— Ian Miles Cheong (@stillgray) February 19, 2025

However, the overwhelming amount of military aid comes from the US.
https://www.statista.com/chart/28489/ukrainian-military-humanitarian-and-financial-aid-donors/

The Europeans really don't produce a lot of military gear. That isn't going to change. They are finally ramping up things like shell production a bit (mainly Rheinmetal) but in terms of artillery tubes (which kind of matter) they just don't even have the tooling to make much.

I think when Z broke his word and reneged on the precious metals deal, Trump now sees him as a bad faith partner and does not trust him. Big mistake by Z.

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Russian propaganda is working wonders on the right. The US has sent a grand total of $68b worth of aid to Ukraine in the last 3 years. A majority of that aid was from existing stockpiles of weapons and equipment that were commissioned for replacement (aka expired). We're talking about such a miniscule amount of actual money ($10-12b per year) to keep RUSSIA FROM TAKING SOVERIGN TERRITORY OF AN ALLIED NATION and people here are saying 'let em have it'....I'm at a loss.

Edit: and the best part is that these same "non-interventionists" are parroting Trumps moronic plan to invade Greenland, Panama or effing Gaza. They want to appease our enemies and invade our allies. It's lunacy.

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And now Trump is adding more fuel to the fire.

This is dangerous rhetoric. We are giving off signals that we are sympathetic to Russia.

He is being played like a fiddle and playing straight into Putin's hands and some of his following will play right along.

pic.twitter.com/PMcrOwXejI

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 19, 2025

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However, the overwhelming amount of military aid comes from the US.
https://www.statista.com/chart/28489/ukrainian-military-humanitarian-and-financial-aid-donors/

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Wait. That must be a no-good lying website you've linked, because it says the US has provided a total of $119 Billion in aid.

But Hullabaloonatic has told us that the US has only provided $68 Billion, and he's the authority on everything...

Isn't he?

He needs to start funding his wife's life style himself. It amazes me that a person, whose country is supposedly in a war for their existence, is buying Bugattis, mansions, and globe trotting around like a Saudi prince.

That and his made for halloween war outfit is tiresome.

I already explained why Trump's rhetoric is what it is. This is how to get a reasonable end. Zelensky needs to realize endless war is not an option. Putin needs some buttering up to take his L while being able to pretend it's not an L. So Zelensky is getting the stick while Putin gets a bit of make nice

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I think when Z broke his word and renigged on the precious metals deal, Trump now sees him as a bad faith partner and does not trust him. Big mistake by Z.

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It was a rapacious deal and from my understanding there was no real attempt to actually "deal" on it. It was an ultimatum of sorts I think.

And it's reneged btw. Just for the future so you don't have an unfortunate autocorrect mishap....