ELECTIONS HELD TODAY

I am sure there are a ton of stealth AFD voters for obvious reasons. I hope they destroy all the marxist parties. I hope Germany is not a lost cause. This is their last hope I fear. It will be insteresting to see what dirty tricks the other parties and Germany's unbiased media come up with together. The media in Germany is just another leftist poltical party just like it is in the rest of The West !!!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14424881/Germany-election-polls-far-right-adf.html

BonfireNerd04 said:

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BTKAG97 said:

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ADDED: Click the 3rd Link for the AFD "Manifesto for Germany". It's a .pdf written in English for insights.

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Thanks for the info. I looked through the table of contents, and didn't really see anything that wouldn't fit in the Republican Party platform.

AfD has an optics problem due to things like its members' comments on the Berlin Holocaust Memorial. But they do support Israel inasmuch as they see it as the West's line of defense against Islamic terrorism.

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They are called far right because Europe has gone so far left that anything to the right of that is considered far right. It's the same thing that happened here with Democrats over the last 16 years.

There is nothing moderate about open borders, killing your own ability to provide energy for your citizens, and promoting mental instability as a virtue.

It's absurd propaganda. Some of those articles are hilarious like the BBC one:

Article title: "Is AfD really far right?

First word in article: "Yes".

As if BBC has the last word and is the arbtrar of facts and reality. Lol. It then goes onto to focus on quotes and not policy and tries to convince the reader that being against open borders with no checks on who is getting in is somehow far right and dangerous. Same with allowing third world Islamists in the country. Somehow, it's a bad thing to not want those people in your country meanwhile violent crime rates have skyrocketed everywhere in Europe that countries let them in.

YouBet said:

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aggiedent said:

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Farmer_J said:

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twk said:

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I'm no expert on German politics, but from what I've read, AfD has some nut cases in it. They aren't particularly friendly to America, either. But, with proportional representation, it's pretty stupid to rule out working a party that may get the 2nd largest number of votes in the election on Sunday (they are around 20%, and the right of center Christian Democrats are expected to come first with 30%). Just like in France, telling a large chunk of the electorate that they cannot participate because of their views is not a good idea.

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Where did you read it?

I read that trump was a dictator who was never going to leave office.

I read that elon is a nazi who gave everyone a nazi salute.

I read that the republican party wants all poor people to starve.

I read that the Republican party wants to put black people back in chains.

How can we believe anything we hear from European news that is totally corrupt?

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How about if we forget news sources and look at some quotes by AfD politicians.

A number of members have made antisemitic remarks including questioning the holocaust.

In October of last year, co-chair Tito Chrupalla criticized the chancellor's support of Israel by suppling weapons.

AfD parliament member Jurgen Pohl said, "Israel is allowed to do anything, the others nothing, and we are supposed to support that."

There also seems to be a lot of dissent within the party as one AfD member said this about Chrupalls views on Israel, "it's left-wing pacifist nonsense. It would be refreshing if Chrupalla just once would take a position on foreign policy that differs from Moscow's,"

So yeah, there's a few screws loose in that party.

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There always are in every party. Unfortunately, the far left parties over there and here (Democrats) tend to be made up of a much greater share of crazies than the right. They just get the advantage of having the entire MSM apparatus to carry their water.

Really hope the AfD gets enough to matter in Germany so there can be a counter to the far left there.

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I agree, but sometimes you have to purge the nut cases. The AfD has members who are truly antisemitic. Some are so pro-Russia, that not wanting to offend Russia's ally, Iran; they want all support of Israel eliminated. That kind of Bat S Crazy opens the party up to being called "extreme."

FYI this does not include mail in voting

aggiedent said:

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Farmer_J said:

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twk said:

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I'm no expert on German politics, but from what I've read, AfD has some nut cases in it. They aren't particularly friendly to America, either. But, with proportional representation, it's pretty stupid to rule out working a party that may get the 2nd largest number of votes in the election on Sunday (they are around 20%, and the right of center Christian Democrats are expected to come first with 30%). Just like in France, telling a large chunk of the electorate that they cannot participate because of their views is not a good idea.

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Where did you read it?

I read that trump was a dictator who was never going to leave office.

I read that elon is a nazi who gave everyone a nazi salute.

I read that the republican party wants all poor people to starve.

I read that the Republican party wants to put black people back in chains.

How can we believe anything we hear from European news that is totally corrupt?

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How about if we forget news sources and look at some quotes by AfD politicians.

A number of members have made antisemitic remarks including questioning the holocaust.

In October of last year, co-chair Tito Chrupalla criticized the chancellor's support of Israel by suppling weapons.

AfD parliament member Jurgen Pohl said, "Israel is allowed to do anything, the others nothing, and we are supposed to support that."

There also seems to be a lot of dissent within the party as one AfD member said this about Chrupalls views on Israel, "it's left-wing pacifist nonsense. It would be refreshing if Chrupalla just once would take a position on foreign policy that differs from Moscow's,"

So yeah, there's a few screws loose in that party.

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There are a number of folks in the Democratic party that have made similar comments...

FancyKetchup14 said:

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FYI this does not include mail in voting

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5% is a key number.

In Germany, you vote twice--once for a constituency election (individual candidates), and the other for a party list. If a party gets 5% of the vote nationwide, then they get proportional representation in parliament (folks from a party list get seats). So, you can have a party that doesn't win a single constituency end up getting a big chunk of seats. The FDP is sort of a free market party that has been in the current coalition, but if the early numbers are correct, they will get wiped out. So, the CDU, having ruled out working with the AfD, will have to form a coalition with leftist parties (which could take months).

Bottom line: expect very little to change, beyond the tone of the Chancellor.

ETA:

These are the projections



If the CDU agreed to form a coaltion with the AfD, they would easily exceed the 316 seats needed for a majority. Instead, they will team up with the socialists to get the requisite number, which means that whatever policies they adopt will have to be acceptable to their coalition partners.

twk said:

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Bottom line: expect very little to change, beyond the tone of the Chancellor.

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Yes, in Germany the Uniparty really is the Uniparty.

The most common coalition over the past 20 years has been an arrangement between the ostensible rival parties of the center-right and center-left.

Correct. That's why that BSW number is something to watch for.

FancyKetchup14 said:

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Correct. That's why that BSW number is something to watch for.

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What is their policy plank?

YouBet said:

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FancyKetchup14 said:

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Correct. That's why that BSW number is something to watch for.

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What is their policy plank?

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Generally, leftist.

YokelRidesAgain said:

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twk said:

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Bottom line: expect very little to change, beyond the tone of the Chancellor.

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Yes, in Germany the Uniparty really is the Uniparty.

The most common coalition over the past 20 years has been an arrangement between the ostensible rival parties of the center-right and center-left.

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Yep. The Greens would be out, which is a good thing, but the CDU/SPD coalition is a broken record. Maybe having the AfD as the official opposition will change things up a little, but I doubt it.

twk said:

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Yep. The Greens would be out, which is a good thing, but the CDU/SPD coalition is a broken record. Maybe having the AfD as the official opposition will change things up a little, but I doubt it.

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I don't think so, unless the CDU/CSU is willing to head a minority government (which could fall to a vote of no confidence); the SPD and the CDU/CSU are going to have less than 50% of seats, and the CDU/CSU has a hard ban on partnering with Die Linke, just like with AfD, so that leaves the Greens.

twk said:

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YouBet said:

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FancyKetchup14 said:

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Correct. That's why that BSW number is something to watch for.

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What is their policy plank?

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Generally, leftist.

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BSW was founded from a split of a faction of the Die Linke (The Left) from the party, with the breakaway faction headed by Sahra Wagenknecht.

They are economically far left (communists, or not far from it) but are skeptical toward the EU and of support for Ukraine in the war against Russia, and less concerned with climate policy versus the Greens. It's basically a pure economic socialist party.

Die Linke are communists who are also super-woke on every conceivable social issue.

ETA: When I say communists, I mean actual, literal communists, not the F16 kind.

YokelRidesAgain said:

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twk said:

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Yep. The Greens would be out, which is a good thing, but the CDU/SPD coalition is a broken record. Maybe having the AfD as the official opposition will change things up a little, but I doubt it.

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I don't think so, unless the CDU/CSU is willing to head a minority government (which could fall to a vote of no confidence); the SPD and the CDU/CSU are going to have less than 50% of seats, and the CDU/CSU has a hard ban on partnering with Die Linke, just like with AfD, so that leaves the Greens.

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I'm just looking at the Google projections, which are changing as votes are counted, but as of this reply, they show the CDU with 210 seats and the SPD with 118 seats, which would be a total of 328 out of 630 seats. Is that not enough for a working majority? Of course, those numbers will change, but I honestly don't know whether or not you really need a big majority for a coalition to work over time, or just enough to get a bare majority (which would be 316).

" There are a number of folks in the Democratic party that have made similar comments..."

OK…….sure………but you might have not noticed that this thread is about the AfD, not the Democratic Party.

DW is saying as jubilant as CDU/CSU are it's actually not that great. How couldn't they break 30% as unpopular as the socialist govt was?

Has a 2022 midterm feel to it

aggiedent said:

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" There are a number of folks in the Democratic party that have made similar comments..."

OK…….sure………but you might have not noticed that this thread is about the AfD, not the Democratic Party.

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True.

But, just pointing out that it's not just the AfD that's got its problem children.

The GOP has a few too...

Doesn't mean that the AfD is a far right party just because some people in it are kooky.

twk said:

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I'm just looking at the Google projections, which are changing as votes are counted, but as of this reply, they show the CDU with 210 seats and the SPD with 118 seats, which would be a total of 328 out of 630 seats. Is that not enough for a working majority? Of course, those numbers will change, but I honestly don't know whether or not you really need a big majority for a coalition to work over time, or just enough to get a bare majority (which would be 316).

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I think you're right. It's kind of confusing since the number of seats and how they are allocated has been changed since the last election. CSU/CDU and SPD are on pace to get about 46% of the vote, but look on track to have 52% of the seats.

Because Merz (the CDU leader) is incredibly unlikable. If they had a decent chancellor candidate they'd likely do 5-7% better.

Ag with kids said:

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aggiedent said:

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" There are a number of folks in the Democratic party that have made similar comments..."

OK…….sure………but you might have not noticed that this thread is about the AfD, not the Democratic Party.

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True.

But, just pointing out that it's not just the AfD that's got its problem children.

The GOP has a few too...

Doesn't mean that the AfD is a far right party just because some people in it are kooky.

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Well ………I don't know how you want to label it, but when one of your co-chairs of the party is a holocaust denier and wants to deny Israel any aid………… and openly supports a thug like Putin………..it's a bit more than just having a few kooky supporters don't you think?

When some of your leadership is off the rails, you must see how it gets labeled far right………right???

Found this video to be very informative if anyone is interested.

Honestly, pretty disappointing, as I'd expected. (Note the other posts this person/channel has).

Looking at the results of the German elections, I am more thankful than ever that in Romania nationalist/sovereignist parties got 32% and Georgescu is the most popular candidate

Imagine living in a county where every day some Afghan stabs a child and the only party who wants to…

— Daily Romania (@daily_romania) February 23, 2025

He probably got fooled by the name "Christian Democratic Union"

They are as Christian as Osama Bin Laden

— Daily Romania (@daily_romania) February 23, 2025

Sigh, we will see, of course. German politics/parties are just geared toward inaction, imho.

You can't expect Trump to be as knowledgeable of global politics as F16.

aggiedent said:

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Well ………I don't know how you want to label it, but when one of your co-chairs of the party is a holocaust denier and wants to deny Israel any aid………… and openly supports a thug like Putin………..it's a bit more than just having a few kooky supporters don't you think?

When some of your leadership is off the rails, you must see how it gets labeled far right………right???

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You described leftists so I'm confused how the label "far right" fits.

Looking at the results of the German elections, I am more thankful than ever that in Romania nationalist/sovereignist parties got 32% and Georgescu is the most popular candidate

Imagine living in a county where every day some Afghan stabs a child and the only party who wants to…

— Daily Romania (@daily_romania) February 23, 2025

20% ????? THE GERMANS ARE *****WHIPPED BY MUSLIMS AND GLOBAL ELITES, both bent on destroying them. Which they seem to be fully onboard with !!!!
Why are we protecting a country that has basically become The DDR and sics the Stasi on anybody with " Wrongthink "???

And with that Germany takes its last gasp.

Rebel Yell said:

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And with that Germany takes its last gasp.

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It is like the country is throwing itself off the roof before the Muslims even drag it UP to the fifth floor. Scary watching a country commit suicide. I wonder if Europe will follow suit?? Scary that is even a reasonable question to ask!!
THANK GOD I LIVE IN THE USA !!

Likely new German chancellor Friedrich Merz tonight:

„Look at these recent interventions into 🇩🇪by a Mr Elon Musk. Interventions from DC no less dramatic, drastic & brazen than those from Moscow. We are massively under pressure from two sides“. pic.twitter.com/i3d1wkYA0Y

— Thorsten Benner (@thorstenbenner) February 23, 2025

Merz says Scholz‘ insistence on and hopes about avoiding transatlantic decoupling may well be disappointed. Says „🇷🇺&🇺🇸seems to be finding toward one another over heads of 🇺🇦and also🇪🇺. Will be absolutely critical situation for us“. pic.twitter.com/wzdG1adeH9

— Thorsten Benner (@thorstenbenner) February 23, 2025

Leaders of Germany's pro-democracy parties now speaking of "European NATO states" and the United States under Trump and Musk as a potential enemy of Europe.

The Trump administration has made a final rupture between the US and EU/UK increasingly likely.

— Alexander Clarkson  (@APHClarkson) February 23, 2025

Verne Lundquist said:

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Leaders of Germany's pro-democracy parties now speaking of "European NATO states" and the United States under Trump and Musk as a potential enemy of Europe.

The Trump administration has made a final rupture between the US and EU/UK increasingly likely.

— Alexander Clarkson  (@APHClarkson) February 23, 2025

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That works for me. I don't hate NATO but some reform is needed. Retrenching our forces from the recent additions in East Europe after the fall of the Soviet Union, while being replaced by traditional European neighboring forces, accomplishes that goal.

We still retain the nuclear deterrent, as do others within NATO.

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So Europe is pissed and wants to take care of itself for a change?

Trump doing the dirty work to achieve the correct result. More money for Americans.

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They sure are showing us by saving the American Taxpayers tens of billions every year !!!

Perfect. Let them go. The fear the media keeps telling us is Europe/Mexico/Canada will run to China.

If China shares their values then there is no reason to fund their military

It's amazing to me that Europe is lamenting personal accountability of their own safety and sovereignty as an unfortunate path they never imagined they would have to take.

That's an incredible mentality. If you truly believe you shouldn't have to be responsible for yourselves when you are larger than both us and Russia then you do not deserve to exist in your present form.

Just unbelievable.

On the plus. We would have to listen to them brag endlessly how great their healthcare system is compared to ours. When some sucker nation is footing the bill for YOUR defense. That leaves a lot of money for social welfare programs. Now that you all have to pull your own weight, lets see how much you can finger wag the Unites States now.