AtticusMatlock said:

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How dare he think for himself.

We must only believe what Tucker Carlson and the latest guest on Joe Rogan tells us. All praise to [Rogan guest] and [Carlson guest]. They are the true prophets. They are always correct. To question them is to question the very existence of God himself. Those who do not believe in them shall be anathema.

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MouthBQ98 said:

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I am a big fan of tested and established vaccines for potentially dangerous infectious diseases as a population wide suppression method, as the reduction of overall risks and costs really is beneficial to everyone compared to the risks.

I am not a fan of the medical and pharmaceutical communities getting carried away with this and trying to push things needlessly or without sufficient testing. That goes much more harm than good.

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Rapier108 said:

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MouthBQ98 said:

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I am a big fan of tested and established vaccines for potentially dangerous infectious diseases as a population wide suppression method, as the reduction of overall risks and costs really is beneficial to everyone compared to the risks.

I am not a fan of the medical and pharmaceutical communities getting carried away with this and trying to push things needlessly or without sufficient testing. That goes much more harm than good.

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This, exactly.

Blue diamond for you.

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Rapier108 said:

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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Rapier108 said:

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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Rapier108 said:

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shack009 said:

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SunrayAg said:

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You read it on the internet so it must be true, right?

Let me let you in on a little secret.

There are people with degrees and titles who are still incompetent lunatics who shill for funding.

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What funding is made available by vaccine skepticism? Most funding is through pharmaceutical companies, which push the vaccines.

It's very possible this lady is incorrect, but the "funding" argument makes no sense for the vaccine skepticism crowd.

Also she said it on the biggest podcast in the world, it wasn't just reading a tweet.

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And all she and Rogan have done is ensure there will be more cases of polio in the long run.

These whackadoodles would ban the rabies vaccine if they could.

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Are they saying the polio vaccine must be banned, or are they skeptical that it single handidly "eradicated polio".

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They would ban it. These anti-vaxxers would ban them all; although they usually don't say that part out loud.

I don't get why anyone wants to return to a time of plagues and pandemics that could wipe out millions, or in some cases, 1/3 of the world's population.

People need to quit thinking the WuFlu shots are the same as actual vaccines which have been around before many people here were even born.

It is truly sad that the WuFlu broke the brains of so many people, especially on the political right. The left was already screwed up, but now we have so many on the right who would question the color of the sky of Joe Rogan had a guest on who told them it was actually fuchsia. Critical thinking has gone out the window and replaced with pseudoscience and the belief that everything is a lie and/or conspiracy.

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You're a different poster than you used to be. I can't tell if TDS or if you are just fuly vaxxed and boosted...but something is very different from the Rapier of 3-4 yrs ago.

You probably still think the WuFlu came from a "wet market" that just so happened to be within a few miles of the viral lab that weaponized these types of viruses, which we funded btw. Meanwhile, it is looking more and more like an intentional lab leak.

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I am the same person I've always been. What has changed is the right has finally gone off the deep end just like the left did. I'm still standing the same place with the same positions I've always had.

Never took the WuFlu shots, never will, and I always laugh when people toss out that personal attack. You can find a massive number of posts I've made about the mRNA crap. And this has nothing to do with Trump or my opinion of him. In case you haven't noticed, I really don't post about him that much.

What has changed are so many people on the right have turned into raging lunatics due to everything that happened in 2020. Critical thinking has gone out the window to be replaced by seeing everything as a lie or conspiracy.

Even questioning something starts from a position of it automatically being something nefarious.

I can't stand bull**** and conspiracy theories, never have and never will. I am a skeptic by nature, but I start from a position of "let's learn more" rather than "it is a massive conspiracy to do X, Y, or Z."

Now, I'm not going to get into a back and forth over where I stand on things because somehow it will result in me getting a time out. As I said, my positions have not changed; just my tolerance for BS from all sides has dropped to negative levels.

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Rapier108 said:

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MouthBQ98 said:

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I am a big fan of tested and established vaccines for potentially dangerous infectious diseases as a population wide suppression method, as the reduction of overall risks and costs really is beneficial to everyone compared to the risks.

I am not a fan of the medical and pharmaceutical communities getting carried away with this and trying to push things needlessly or without sufficient testing. That goes much more harm than good.

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This, exactly.

Blue diamond for you.

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Rapier108 said:

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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Rapier108 said:

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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Rapier108 said:

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shack009 said:

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SunrayAg said:

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You read it on the internet so it must be true, right?

Let me let you in on a little secret.

There are people with degrees and titles who are still incompetent lunatics who shill for funding.

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What funding is made available by vaccine skepticism? Most funding is through pharmaceutical companies, which push the vaccines.

It's very possible this lady is incorrect, but the "funding" argument makes no sense for the vaccine skepticism crowd.

Also she said it on the biggest podcast in the world, it wasn't just reading a tweet.

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And all she and Rogan have done is ensure there will be more cases of polio in the long run.

These whackadoodles would ban the rabies vaccine if they could.

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Are they saying the polio vaccine must be banned, or are they skeptical that it single handidly "eradicated polio".

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They would ban it. These anti-vaxxers would ban them all; although they usually don't say that part out loud.

I don't get why anyone wants to return to a time of plagues and pandemics that could wipe out millions, or in some cases, 1/3 of the world's population.

People need to quit thinking the WuFlu shots are the same as actual vaccines which have been around before many people here were even born.

It is truly sad that the WuFlu broke the brains of so many people, especially on the political right. The left was already screwed up, but now we have so many on the right who would question the color of the sky of Joe Rogan had a guest on who told them it was actually fuchsia. Critical thinking has gone out the window and replaced with pseudoscience and the belief that everything is a lie and/or conspiracy.

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You're a different poster than you used to be. I can't tell if TDS or if you are just fuly vaxxed and boosted...but something is very different from the Rapier of 3-4 yrs ago.

You probably still think the WuFlu came from a "wet market" that just so happened to be within a few miles of the viral lab that weaponized these types of viruses, which we funded btw. Meanwhile, it is looking more and more like an intentional lab leak.

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I am the same person I've always been. What has changed is the right has finally gone off the deep end just like the left did. I

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agracer said:

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Haven't watched the whole podcast, have no clue who Dr. Humphries is or her credentials at this point.

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SunrayAg said:

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You read it on the internet so it must be true, right?

Let me let you in on a little secret.

There are people with degrees and titles who are still incompetent lunatics who shill for funding.

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Rapier108 said:

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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Rapier108 said:

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shack009 said:

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SunrayAg said:

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You read it on the internet so it must be true, right?

Let me let you in on a little secret.

There are people with degrees and titles who are still incompetent lunatics who shill for funding.

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What funding is made available by vaccine skepticism? Most funding is through pharmaceutical companies, which push the vaccines.

It's very possible this lady is incorrect, but the "funding" argument makes no sense for the vaccine skepticism crowd.

Also she said it on the biggest podcast in the world, it wasn't just reading a tweet.

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And all she and Rogan have done is ensure there will be more cases of polio in the long run.

These whackadoodles would ban the rabies vaccine if they could.

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Are they saying the polio vaccine must be banned, or are they skeptical that it single handidly "eradicated polio".

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They would ban it. These anti-vaxxers would ban them all; although they usually don't say that part out loud.

I don't get why anyone wants to return to a time of plagues and pandemics that could wipe out millions, or in some cases, 1/3 of the world's population.

People need to quit thinking the WuFlu shots are the same as actual vaccines which have been around before many people here were even born.

It is truly sad that the WuFlu broke the brains of so many people, especially on the political right. The left was already screwed up, but now we have so many on the right who would question the color of the sky of Joe Rogan had a guest on who told them it was actually fuchsia. Critical thinking has gone out the window and replaced with pseudoscience and the belief that everything is a lie and/or conspiracy.

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eric76 said:

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Haven't watched the whole podcast, have no clue who Dr. Humphries is or her credentials at this point.

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There is a review of her and her views at https://medika.life/dr-suzanne-humphries-on-medikas-quack-scale/

According to the review, she has no place in modern medicine.

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titan said:

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That is so, but this aspect needs a closer look, because if it is true, those are definitely still present.

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"Polio is called different things today," Humphries explained. "Whereas back in the 1940s, 1950s, the criteria for diagnosing polio were completely different to the year that the vaccine was introduced. The playing field, the goalpostseverything was changed… they were able to show a complete cascading drop of paralytic polio simply because of the way they changed the definitions of what polio is and what could cause it." After the vaccine rollout, cases that would've been diagnosed as polio were now labeled as Guillain-Barr syndrome, coxsackievirus, echovirus, or chalked up to lead or mercury poisoning.

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One of the more notable things about Covid is the fairly strong indicators it was a repackaged flu -- it was notorious that attention to the flu and mention of it practically disappeared.

On the other hand, not inclined to believe the above because naive or not as it may be I do think our institutions were a bit more honest, say God fearing, then, then they are today. I do not buy a scenario where Polio was successfully curbed was in any way a false statement.

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Rapier108 said:

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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Rapier108 said:

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shack009 said:

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SunrayAg said:

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You read it on the internet so it must be true, right?

Let me let you in on a little secret.

There are people with degrees and titles who are still incompetent lunatics who shill for funding.

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What funding is made available by vaccine skepticism? Most funding is through pharmaceutical companies, which push the vaccines.

It's very possible this lady is incorrect, but the "funding" argument makes no sense for the vaccine skepticism crowd.

Also she said it on the biggest podcast in the world, it wasn't just reading a tweet.

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And all she and Rogan have done is ensure there will be more cases of polio in the long run.

These whackadoodles would ban the rabies vaccine if they could.

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Are they saying the polio vaccine must be banned, or are they skeptical that it single handidly "eradicated polio".

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They would ban it. These anti-vaxxers would ban them all; although they usually don't say that part out loud.

I don't get why anyone wants to return to a time of plagues and pandemics that could wipe out millions, or in some cases, 1/3 of the world's population.

People need to quit thinking the WuFlu shots are the same as actual vaccines which have been around before many people here were even born.

It is truly sad that the WuFlu broke the brains of so many people, especially on the political right. The left was already screwed up, but now we have so many on the right who would question the color of the sky of Joe Rogan had a guest on who told them it was actually fuchsia. Critical thinking has gone out the window and replaced with pseudoscience and the belief that everything is a lie and/or conspiracy.

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shack009 said:

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eric76 said:

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Haven't watched the whole podcast, have no clue who Dr. Humphries is or her credentials at this point.

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There is a review of her and her views at https://medika.life/dr-suzanne-humphries-on-medikas-quack-scale/

According to the review, she has no place in modern medicine.

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That's what they said about Jay Bhatacharia and all the Great Barrington Declaration doctors.

The medical establishment really effed itself with Covid. It's completely reasonable to question all conventional wisdom after all the conventional wisdom progenitors flopped so spectacularly and publicly.

Nobody had ever questioned anything before and then we were given good reason to question more. And the conventional wisdom don't have great retorts other than insults.

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eric76 said:

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titan said:

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That is so, but this aspect needs a closer look, because if it is true, those are definitely still present.

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"Polio is called different things today," Humphries explained. "Whereas back in the 1940s, 1950s, the criteria for diagnosing polio were completely different to the year that the vaccine was introduced. The playing field, the goalpostseverything was changed… they were able to show a complete cascading drop of paralytic polio simply because of the way they changed the definitions of what polio is and what could cause it." After the vaccine rollout, cases that would've been diagnosed as polio were now labeled as Guillain-Barr syndrome, coxsackievirus, echovirus, or chalked up to lead or mercury poisoning.

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One of the more notable things about Covid is the fairly strong indicators it was a repackaged flu -- it was notorious that attention to the flu and mention of it practically disappeared.

On the other hand, not inclined to believe the above because naive or not as it may be I do think our institutions were a bit more honest, say God fearing, then, then they are today. I do not buy a scenario where Polio was successfully curbed was in any way a false statement.

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The influenza viruses and the corona viruses are not the same.

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titan said:

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That is so, but this aspect needs a closer look, because if it is true, those are definitely still present.

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"Polio is called different things today," Humphries explained. "Whereas back in the 1940s, 1950s, the criteria for diagnosing polio were completely different to the year that the vaccine was introduced. The playing field, the goalpostseverything was changed… they were able to show a complete cascading drop of paralytic polio simply because of the way they changed the definitions of what polio is and what could cause it." After the vaccine rollout, cases that would've been diagnosed as polio were now labeled as Guillain-Barr syndrome, coxsackievirus, echovirus, or chalked up to lead or mercury poisoning.

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One of the more notable things about Covid is the fairly strong indicators it was a repackaged flu -- it was notorious that attention to the flu and mention of it practically disappeared.

On the other hand, not inclined to believe the above because naive or not as it may be I do think our institutions were a bit more honest, say God fearing, then, then they are today. I do not buy a scenario where Polio was successfully curbed was in any way a false statement.

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shack009 said:

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Rapier108 said:

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MouthBQ98 said:

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I am a big fan of tested and established vaccines for potentially dangerous infectious diseases as a population wide suppression method, as the reduction of overall risks and costs really is beneficial to everyone compared to the risks.

I am not a fan of the medical and pharmaceutical communities getting carried away with this and trying to push things needlessly or without sufficient testing. That goes much more harm than good.

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This, exactly.

Blue diamond for you.

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The problem is that now we have every reason to wonder why they are "established."

Were these vaccines tested properly with control groups and have potential damages of the vaccine been studied against the harm prevented? Do we have other medical advancements that make the vaccine unnecessary?

These are legitimate questions that the "pro-vaccine" crowd is not equipped to answer.

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shack009 said:

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If these people are wrong, it's pretty wild how compelling their cases are.

It's very possible that conventional vaccine acceptance is correct concerning polio or MMR, but the pro-vaccine crowd is full of people who have absolutely no credibility left. They also never address the arguments from the skeptic crowd, just hurl names and say they will cause more cases of the thing in question.

It makes it very difficult for normal people to understand what is correct.

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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KingofHazor said:

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What specific public health measures were adopted in the mid-50s that eradicated polio, rather than the vaccines? She makes a sweeping claim without hard evidence. She may be correct, but she should produce the data.

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Her argument seems to be a combination of halting the use of DDT (countries where it's use is still prevalent still struggle with significant # of polio cases, according to her)...and then re-categorization into new illnesses.

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"After the vaccine rollout, cases that would've been diagnosed as polio were now labeled as Guillain-Barr syndrome, coxsackievirus, echovirus, or chalked up to lead or mercury poisoning."

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Not saying she's right or wrong, that is just my understanding of her base argument.

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AgBQ-00 said:

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I think part of it is more awareness, but not near all of it. We all had those classmates that were 'slow' or 'different' hat just interacted with everything differently than everyone else. But I don't think it was near as abundant as it now is.

I also belive the ADD/ADHD thing is way overly used/diagnosed because schoolmarms view boys as defective girls. (for sure there are kids who are truly afflicted just not as many as they diagnose)

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When the conversation turned to polio, Dr. Humphries blew just about everyone’s mind on the internet. She challenged one of the most sacred beliefs in modern medicine: that vaccines eradicated polio.

The truth is that polio wasn’t actually eradicated. “Polio is still here. Polio… pic.twitter.com/wZ91AERL6d

— The Vigilant Fox 🦊 (@VigilantFox) March 27, 2025

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When the conversation turned to polio, Dr. Humphries blew just about everyone's mind on the internet. She challenged one of the most sacred beliefs in modern medicine: that vaccines eradicated polio.

The truth is that polio wasn't actually eradicated. "Polio is still here. Polio is still alive and well," Dr. Humphries declared. It's just that a few sleights of hand made the world believe otherwise.

The real change that happened, according to Humphries, wasn't the vaccine's impactit was the definition.

"Polio is called different things today," Humphries explained. "Whereas back in the 1940s, 1950s, the criteria for diagnosing polio were completely different to the year that the vaccine was introduced. The playing field, the goalpostseverything was changed… they were able to show a complete cascading drop of paralytic polio simply because of the way they changed the definitions of what polio is and what could cause it."

After the vaccine rollout, cases that would've been diagnosed as polio were now labeled as Guillain-Barr syndrome, coxsackievirus, echovirus, or chalked up to lead or mercury poisoning.

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Haven't watched the whole podcast, have no clue who Dr. Humphries is or her credentials at this point.

Just to be clear, I was never a conspiracy theorist until all of the ones I thought were nonsense started to come true.

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eric76 said:

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titan said:

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That is so, but this aspect needs a closer look, because if it is true, those are definitely still present.

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"Polio is called different things today," Humphries explained. "Whereas back in the 1940s, 1950s, the criteria for diagnosing polio were completely different to the year that the vaccine was introduced. The playing field, the goalpostseverything was changed… they were able to show a complete cascading drop of paralytic polio simply because of the way they changed the definitions of what polio is and what could cause it." After the vaccine rollout, cases that would've been diagnosed as polio were now labeled as Guillain-Barr syndrome, coxsackievirus, echovirus, or chalked up to lead or mercury poisoning.

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One of the more notable things about Covid is the fairly strong indicators it was a repackaged flu -- it was notorious that attention to the flu and mention of it practically disappeared.

On the other hand, not inclined to believe the above because naive or not as it may be I do think our institutions were a bit more honest, say God fearing, then, then they are today. I do not buy a scenario where Polio was successfully curbed was in any way a false statement.

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The influenza viruses and the corona viruses are not the same.

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eric76 said:

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titan said:

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That is so, but this aspect needs a closer look, because if it is true, those are definitely still present.

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"Polio is called different things today," Humphries explained. "Whereas back in the 1940s, 1950s, the criteria for diagnosing polio were completely different to the year that the vaccine was introduced. The playing field, the goalpostseverything was changed… they were able to show a complete cascading drop of paralytic polio simply because of the way they changed the definitions of what polio is and what could cause it." After the vaccine rollout, cases that would've been diagnosed as polio were now labeled as Guillain-Barr syndrome, coxsackievirus, echovirus, or chalked up to lead or mercury poisoning.

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One of the more notable things about Covid is the fairly strong indicators it was a repackaged flu -- it was notorious that attention to the flu and mention of it practically disappeared.

On the other hand, not inclined to believe the above because naive or not as it may be I do think our institutions were a bit more honest, say God fearing, then, then they are today. I do not buy a scenario where Polio was successfully curbed was in any way a false statement.

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The influenza viruses and the corona viruses are not the same.

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Corona viruses are usually common cold viruses. The issue we had is that the federal government funded research on how to weaponize cold viruses to kill people, and those "gain of function" viruses escaped the lab, either accidentally or accidentally on purpose.

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That is so, but this aspect needs a closer look, because if it is true, those are definitely still present.

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"Polio is called different things today," Humphries explained. "Whereas back in the 1940s, 1950s, the criteria for diagnosing polio were completely different to the year that the vaccine was introduced. The playing field, the goalpostseverything was changed… they were able to show a complete cascading drop of paralytic polio simply because of the way they changed the definitions of what polio is and what could cause it." After the vaccine rollout, cases that would've been diagnosed as polio were now labeled as Guillain-Barr syndrome, coxsackievirus, echovirus, or chalked up to lead or mercury poisoning.

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One of the more notable things about Covid is the fairly strong indicators it was a repackaged flu -- it was notorious that attention to the flu and mention of it practically disappeared.

On the other hand, not inclined to believe the above because naive or not as it may be I do think our institutions were a bit more honest, say God fearing, then, then they are today. I do not buy a scenario where Polio was successfully curbed was in any way a false statement.

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The influenza viruses and the corona viruses are not the same.

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I know. I am waiting for someone to give the current definitions for each kind of `inocculation' to use a rarer word.

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