fc2112 said:P.H. Dexippus said:Highway6 said:
If he gets more than 20 years I will be shocked
I'll take the over. A jury that quick to convict? Probably more than one are aware of how parole impacts length of sentence. My WAG is 35-45 years.
I thought a lighter sentence was possible since he was so young.
But coming back so fast? I'll go with 40 years.
Rex Racer said:TexasAggie81 said:FrioAg 00 said:
It's just so sad how many innocent kids are being born into this culture and never have a chance in hell at escaping it.
Yes, at some point they all become responsible for themselves and what they perpetuate, but they don't start out this way. It's engrained from the first day though.
I just don't know where it goes. What TF do we do with this subculture that is just completely valueless and lost.
The "culture" isn't progressing. It's regressing. Despite the advantages offered and taken, beginning with LBJ, there is seemingly little overall progress … save and except those who smartly changed their mindset, actions, and choices.
I would argue that beginning with LBJ was the beginning of this culture we have now.
FrioAg 00 said:
It's just so sad how many innocent kids are being born into this culture and never have a chance in hell at escaping it.
Yes, at some point they all become responsible for themselves and what they perpetuate, but they don't start out this way. It's engrained from the first day though.
I just don't know where it goes. What TF do we do with this subculture that is just completely valueless and lost.
DoitBest said:
Does anyone know what race KA was there to run?
MattAg84 said:Rex Racer said:TexasAggie81 said:FrioAg 00 said:
It's just so sad how many innocent kids are being born into this culture and never have a chance in hell at escaping it.
Yes, at some point they all become responsible for themselves and what they perpetuate, but they don't start out this way. It's engrained from the first day though.
I just don't know where it goes. What TF do we do with this subculture that is just completely valueless and lost.
The "culture" isn't progressing. It's regressing. Despite the advantages offered and taken, beginning with LBJ, there is seemingly little overall progress … save and except those who smartly changed their mindset, actions, and choices.
I would argue that beginning with LBJ was the beginning of this culture we have now.
Yeah LBJ wasn't offering "progression". He was selling the black leaders a trade from plantation to welfare slavery and they gladly took it. And here we are.
91AggieLawyer said:
By that standard, only the death penalty would suffice. And that would be the case in EVERY murder trial.
Got a Natty! said:
I ardently disagree. LBJ set the table for what is happening now. And the welfare system so that the Democratic Party will always be a force we have to deal with.
LBJ is the bedrock of our current problems.
Got a Natty! said:
I ardently disagree. LBJ set the table for what is happening now. And the welfare system so that the Democratic Party will always be a force we have to deal with.
LBJ is the bedrock of our current problems.
AgBQ-00 said:
Honest question...could any of you leave your kid to hear the sentencing on their own and not be in the courtroom with them?
FCBlitz said:
On 740, did I hear KA could get out in 17.5 years? Surely, that is not correct?
FCBlitz said:DoitBest said:
Does anyone know what race KA was there to run?
He was their to ruin the white race.
There will be two narratives and only one will be tolerated.
Suppressed narrative. The angry, racist black youth killed a white youth in a confrontation the black youth totally was in control of. It's the classical case of a black individual with no conflict resolution skills.
The MSN narrative. There is a grey area where a white, muscular athlete imposed his presence on the black youth who was misunderstood as the conflict between the two youth escalated. The black community will falsely claim this is a clear case of white racists put away another young black man in prison. This young black man was angry because he is growing up in a society controlled by white racists and is not to blame for the killing of the white kid. Society is to be blamed ruining the black kids life.
The MSN will and others will allow the "Black kid is innocent" conversation to be the one discussed. The discussion that the racist, black kid killed the white kid will never be discussed. Thus validating the idea that young black youths are not responsible for their actions.
GaryClare said:
But what strikes me as really strange, or perhaps telling, is I would have thought KA's parents would have the decency to look over at the Metcalf's and publicly apologize. I wouldn't have expected to be forgiven by the Metcalf's. But could they have at least said, "I am sorry"? I just can't help but think that would have gone a long way.
GaryClare said:AgBQ-00 said:
Honest question...could any of you leave your kid to hear the sentencing on their own and not be in the courtroom with them?
I do not understand that decision at all. But as I reflect on this whole situation, it is hard to judge both families on any of their actions. It is unimaginable what both families have been through mentally and emotionally the past year and you wonder if either of them could be at their best relative to decisions.
But what strikes me as really strange, or perhaps telling, is I would have thought KA's parents would have the decency to look over at the Metcalf's and publicly apologize. I wouldn't have expected to be forgiven by the Metcalf's. But could they have at least said, "I am sorry"? I just can't help but think that would have gone a long way.
In a sense that shows what underlies this whole story with the Anthony's. Their son is still the victim. He literally killed a person and it appears they still think they are the victims. And that disposition is a big part of why KA is in this situation right now and meeting these consequences.
Wildmen03 said:GaryClare said:
But what strikes me as really strange, or perhaps telling, is I would have thought KA's parents would have the decency to look over at the Metcalf's and publicly apologize. I wouldn't have expected to be forgiven by the Metcalf's. But could they have at least said, "I am sorry"? I just can't help but think that would have gone a long way.
Apology admits guilt, and I'm sure they still think their son is innocent.
GaryClare said:AgBQ-00 said:
Honest question...could any of you leave your kid to hear the sentencing on their own and not be in the courtroom with them?
I do not understand that decision at all. But as I reflect on this whole situation, it is hard to judge both families on any of their actions. It is unimaginable what both families have been through mentally and emotionally the past year and you wonder if either of them could be at their best relative to decisions.
But what strikes me as really strange, or perhaps telling, is I would have thought KA's parents would have the decency to look over at the Metcalf's and publicly apologize. I wouldn't have expected to be forgiven by the Metcalf's. But could they have at least said, "I am sorry"? I just can't help but think that would have gone a long way.
In a sense that shows what underlies this whole story with the Anthony's. Their son is still the victim. He literally killed a person and it appears they still think they are the victims. And that disposition is a big part of why KA is in this situation right now and meeting these consequences.
Mort Rainey said:FCBlitz said:
On 740, did I hear KA could get out in 17.5 years? Surely, that is not correct?
Technically yes, but by far the most likely outcome is he isn't out before 25 years. Even that is only if he changes who he is in prison. If he keeps the same outlook and attitude he does now, he'll probably end up serving all 35.
Too lenient either way. To me this easily fit the case of lock the door and throw away the key for life
agent-maroon said:
Eligibility is necessary but not sufficient to be paroled. I knew a woman the same age as KA who was sentenced to life as an accomplice to a double homicide in Oklahoma and was eligible for parole for maybe the last 20 years before she was released at age 65. Not an apples to apples comparison, but it should not be assumed that they will parole him on the first try or that they will ever parole him.
2000AgPhD said:TexasAggie81 said:FrioAg 00 said:
It's just so sad how many innocent kids are being born into this culture and never have a chance in hell at escaping it.
Yes, at some point they all become responsible for themselves and what they perpetuate, but they don't start out this way. It's engrained from the first day though.
I just don't know where it goes. What TF do we do with this subculture that is just completely valueless and lost.
The "culture" isn't progressing. It's regressing. Despite the advantages offered and taken, beginning with LBJ, there is seemingly little overall progress … save and except those who smartly changed their mindset, actions, and choices.
I think the argument can be fairly made that LBJ destroyed black society in the United States.
GaryClare said:Mort Rainey said:FCBlitz said:
On 740, did I hear KA could get out in 17.5 years? Surely, that is not correct?
Technically yes, but by far the most likely outcome is he isn't out before 25 years. Even that is only if he changes who he is in prison. If he keeps the same outlook and attitude he does now, he'll probably end up serving all 35.
Too lenient either way. To me this easily fit the case of lock the door and throw away the key for life
I share your disposition. But I think what the jury considered is that he was 17 at the time. If he would have been in his upper 20's or older, I think he might have gotten the key thrown away.
His life is ruined regardless of the sentence. If everything goes perfect he's not getting out until he is an older adult. He won't get able to get a good job, he won't have his prime earning years to build a financial base, he likely will never be in a position to have a family, a home or a decent life - even after he gets out.
I understand Metcalf gets none of these considerations. But as humans so completely dependent of God's grace, it crosses my mind that it might be good that he was given some grace. As much I as I was hoping for 75 years, it is hard to say the jury did not make a wise decision.
GaryClare said:Mort Rainey said:FCBlitz said:
On 740, did I hear KA could get out in 17.5 years? Surely, that is not correct?
Technically yes, but by far the most likely outcome is he isn't out before 25 years. Even that is only if he changes who he is in prison. If he keeps the same outlook and attitude he does now, he'll probably end up serving all 35.
Too lenient either way. To me this easily fit the case of lock the door and throw away the key for life
I share your disposition. But I think what the jury considered is that he was 17 at the time. If he would have been in his upper 20's or older, I think he might have gotten the key thrown away.
His life is ruined regardless of the sentence. If everything goes perfect he's not getting out until he is an older adult. He won't get able to get a good job, he won't have his prime earning years to build a financial base, he likely will never be in a position to have a family, a home or a decent life - even after he gets out.
I understand Metcalf gets none of these considerations. But as humans so completely dependent of God's grace, it crosses my mind that it might be good that he was given some grace. As much I as I was hoping for 75 years, it is hard to say the jury did not make a wise decision.
FCBlitz said:
On 740, did I hear KA could get out in 17.5 years? Surely, that is not correct?
